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finley ,

No thanks

gedaliyah ,
@gedaliyah@lemmy.world avatar

Bottom line: is threads a potential entry-point into the fediverse for a lot of people who otherwise would not be aware/ interested? ABSOLUTELY YES.

Does that benefit offset the catastrophic harm it will do by overwhelming the fediverse with corporate interests, stacking nonprofits with Meta-friendly officers, and exerting leverage on Activity Pub development? NO WAY.

fediblock.

confuser ,

i dont know how email survived, i bet whatever happened there is what will make it work too

JubilantJaguar ,

Would be interested in an intelligent rebuttal to this seemingly decent argument, if anyone has one.

drspod ,

(Federated) email didn’t survive. It got completely subsumed by the major providers who now have control over everything email related. It’s now impossible to run your own email server since none of the major providers will deliver your email without your mail server having first built a reputation.

The fediverse analogy would be if 99.9999% of users were on Threads and you couldn’t interact with any of those users from any of the small independent fediverse servers. Frankly, that’s exactly what it looks like is happening.

MaximilianKohler ,

none of the major providers will deliver your email without your mail server having first built a reputation

There are definitely major, and easily-abusable “features” being implemented by the major email providers, but I don’t think your statement is correct. I have a Hetzner server, and I can receive email from it (to Gmail) just fine, as long as I have SPF, DMARC, and DKIM set up. I can also create a new server with a new IP and not have any issues. The issues may arise with shared IPs/ranges that are also being used by spammers. Otherwise, if you’re planning to send bulk email you just need to warm up the IP.

confuser ,

i think you may be mixing federated and small-web feel there. there exists the ability for individuals to have functioning email servers although it is difficult but fair considering how much of the world is reliant upon it and opposing it with various kinds of attacks. i dont thimk it requires many individuals to have their own servers for it to be considered federated, the fact that we have dozens of relatively big email providers to choose from who prioritize various different things is enough to cover the majority of peoples needs and i think that is the threshold requirement for a sufficient self sustaining federated network. regardless of that, if you compare this outcome of email as of present to lets just say a platform like discord whose goal is to facilitate messaging between people, you can evidently say thst emails outcome is better than the proprietary service that discord is locking people into and not making alternatives ways of accessing the service a simpler process.

MorallyCoffee ,

I thought Threads was for people who thought Mastodon was too complicated. What’s all this “turn on sharing” mess?

skullgiver ,
@skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl avatar

Something most accounts will never touch.

Zak ,
@Zak@lemmy.world avatar

Threads is for whoever Meta can sell it to, and I think it was pretty far along in its development before they actually committed to ActivityPub support.

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Bruh we knew they were federating before we even knew the name of the platform. Pretty sure it was always intended that way.

Zak ,
@Zak@lemmy.world avatar

The fact that it’s been out for a year and federation is still only half-implemented suggests to me the decision to add it was pretty late in the development process, even if it was early in the marketing process.

cabbage ,
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The official story is that Meta is worried about being sued by people suddenly seeing their content pushed to some random website without their consent if it's enabled by default, so they won't risk enabling it by default. At least not before the fediverse is huge enough that everything you post going everywhere on the internet is the expected behaviour.

Fair enough really. I wouldn't want to be sued for that either, and they obviously cannot expect Congress to understand.. anything.

helenslunch ,
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I hate it but it is a fair position.

kbal , (edited )
@kbal@fedia.io avatar

It is a fair position in the sense that it's technically within their legal rights to do whatever the fuck they want, but it is a feeble sham compared to the full and well-behaved fedi interoperability they should've had from the start since that was how it was sold from to their users from the beginning.

If they some day get there, I would still be open to considering federating with it. For now "it’s an ongoing process" as they carefully tweak things to find out how far they can go with the strictly limited access to the outside world they allow, while still keeping all their users captive.

If you were a threads user, you'd be unable to reply to this even if you did somehow see it. I welcome any of them to do so and prove me wrong.

sunzu2 ,

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