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Threads deepens its ties to the open social web, aka the ‘fediverse’ | TechCrunch

Meta announced that users on Threads will be able to see fediverse replies on other posts besides their own. In addition, posts that originated through the Threads API, like those created via third-party apps and scheduling services, will now be syndicated to the fediverse.

Fitik OP ,
@Fitik@fedia.io avatar

Note: You can't interact with Threads accounts from Lemmy, but you can interact with Threads accounts from MBin (and maybe PieFed), except if your instance is defederated from them obviously

There's POTUS account for example @potus

abff08f4813c ,

Yep, pyfedi supports Mastodon integration just like mbin.

rimu ,
@rimu@piefed.social avatar

Not quite as good as Mbin. For example you can't follow someone on mastodon from PieFed. They can follow you, though.

Lost_My_Mind ,

Why not Lemmy?

abff08f4813c ,

Lemmy doesn't implement Mastodon (which is the fediverse version of Twitter), only their own Lemmy one (Reddit clone). Kbin and Mbin implement both, as does pyfedi/piefed.

Lost_My_Mind ,

Why does Lemmy not interact with Mastodon if the other two can?

themadcodger ,
@themadcodger@kbin.earth avatar

Design choice by the creators.

Lost_My_Mind ,

Am I the only one who thinks that’s a bad choice? The whole point of the fediverse is that all the things are connected.

abff08f4813c ,

Lemmy is open source and so anyone who wants to add this functionality is free to do so.

Considering who the original creators of Lemmy are and the controversy over lemmygrad.ml however, I'd say that we dodged a bullet, all things considered.

If you want a thing that tries to integrate with everything, consider pyfedi - in addition to Lemmy and Mastodon they also have code to integrate with pixelfed and probably even more things (I'm still learning about all the integrations that it has).

Lost_My_Mind ,

So I tried to search for pyfedi, and the only things I found are some repos. Not quite sure what to do with that. HOWEVER, a few different repos seemed to list piefed as the thing it do.

So is pyfedi the same as piefed.social ?

I am enjoying the layout of piefed. It’s quite tasty! I hope this is the thing that does the other thing.

But what if I transfer my Lemmy account to Piefed? Will I still be able to create communities on Lemmy.World? Or am I going to just end up with two different accounts, on two different sites, that do 97% the same thing?

Or am I just wrong all around, and pyfedi has nothing to do with piefed, and I’ve stumbled onto a different thing that does the thing that the other thing couldn’t do, but is still connected to, but not in the same way, but still uses the same services?

abff08f4813c ,

So I tried to search for pyfedi, and the only things I found are some repos. Not quite sure what to do
with that. HOWEVER, a few different repos seemed to list piefed as the thing it do.
So is pyfedi the same as piefed.social ?

piefed.social is the flagship instance while pyfedi is the software. By analogy, lemmy.ml is the flagship instance of Lemmy, kbin.social was the flagship instance of the kbin software, and while it doesn't offically have a flagship fedia.io is the largest instance to run the mbin software.

I am enjoying the layout of piefed. It’s quite tasty! I hope this is the thing that does the other thing.

Yes!

But what if I transfer my Lemmy account to Piefed? Will I still be able to create communities on Lemmy.World?

My understanding is that unfortunately, to be the owner of a community or magazine (such as !Fediverse ) that's local to given instance (lemmy.world here) your account would also have to be local.

Or am I going to just end up with two different accounts, on two different sites, that do 97% the same thing?

From what I understand, most folks pick one favoured instance as their primary one for that 97% - but create the local account to own the magazine/community as well as the rest of the 3%. (Note that you can add your primary account as a mod though, even if it's not local - so you have to create the community on lemmy.world with your lemmy.world account, but then you can add your piefed.social account as a mod to that community and then manage the new lemmy.world community mostly from piefed.social.)

Or am I just wrong all around, and pyfedi has nothing to do with piefed, and I’ve stumbled onto a different thing that does the thing that the other thing couldn’t do, but is still connected to, but not in the same way, but still uses the same services?

What can I say? The fediverse is complicated. But in a good way.

timestatic ,

What happened to Kbin btw? I used to be on there since the start but the page has been broken since a while for me

Zorque ,

It was run by one guy who had health issues. So it shut down. Mbin is the main fork now.

timestatic ,

Ah I see. Good thing someone continued it tho!

abff08f4813c ,

The owner of kbin.social (and creator of kbin incidentally) has been MIA for a few months now, so it's presumed that it's over. I haven't heard of anything concrete regarding the fate of kbin.social or ernest though - unless someone has heard differently, it remains possible that ernest returns in a year or two and brings kbin.social back up.

I think https://kbin.earth/ exists as an instance still running ernest's original flavour of kbin (as opposed to its sucessor mbin).

Fitik OP ,
@Fitik@fedia.io avatar

Because right now the Threads federation is still pretty one sided, the Fediverse users can reply to the Threads posts, but the Threads users can't see the Fediverse posts, only replies

And with how Lemmy works, you can't reply to the microblogging accounts, you can't reply to Mastodon's posts neither, so you can't get your replies federated

joyjoy ,

That doesn’t seem right. I remember responding to a few mastodon threads from lemmy and I was able to see my reply on the other end.

originalucifer ,
@originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com avatar

lemmy devs just havent put in the effort, but its clear they are on that path.

deegeese ,

Do regular Mastodon instances and clients play nicely with Threads?

I’ve been on Mastodon for a while and never seen a Threads user.

originalucifer ,
@originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com avatar

meta has not made using threads very easy for its users. only the technical or high visibility accounts seem to have cared to jump through the necessary hoops.

RandomStickman ,
@RandomStickman@fedia.io avatar

On paper it should play well, it appeared as Mastodon would on my Mbin instance. A lot of Mastodon instances have preemptively defederated from Threads though, so you need to shop around.

JayTreeman ,

Or just don't federate with threads.
Embrace, extend, extinguish is a thing

woelkchen ,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

Do regular Mastodon instances and clients play nicely with Threads?

You can’t connect to Threads using a Mastodon client but you can follow select Threads accounts from the Mastodon instance your client is connected to. Threads is still in what is basically a public beta. That’s why there are currently no ads there either (but they were announced recently).

Fitik OP ,
@Fitik@fedia.io avatar

Yea, they play fine, I use Misskey fork as my main instance, and it even supports quotes

Maybe your instance have defederated from them? Also the Fediverse sharing is opt-in in Threads, so like 95% or more Threads users haven't turned it on, cause they have no idea it exists

finickydesert ,
@finickydesert@lemmy.ml avatar

Which fork?

Fitik OP ,
@Fitik@fedia.io avatar

Sharkey, but Threads quotes show up in basic Misskey as well

finickydesert ,
@finickydesert@lemmy.ml avatar

I tried regular misskey but I can’t read Japanese

Fitik OP ,
@Fitik@fedia.io avatar

Understandable, I can't neither, that's why I use English-speaking instance

some_guy ,

Why would I want to interact with people on threads? I’m here for the Lemmy community.

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Currently, Threads users can like the replies from other servers, but they can’t yet reply to them, as the feature is still in beta and under development.

arudesalad , (edited )

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/87ffc596-b863-4df0-97f0-518c44476e81.jpegIt took around a year for a solo dev (and a couple contributors) to develop a fully federated platform. Why is it taking one of the largest companies on the planet this long to make such tiny changes that are useless anyway.

And why are they releasing it like this instead of releasing everything at once?

Stovetop ,

Because every step of the way, they need a flock of MBAs to figure out the answer to the question “How do we make money off of this?”

Ephera ,

I’m rather guessing the other way around. Because they can’t directly extract money from this, they can’t justify to their shareholders to sit down full-time devs. Instead, this is a project solely run by interns and student.

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

I’m guessing because they don’t want it to.

Not_mikey ,

It is a different level of scale, mastodon has about 1 million users spread over a bunch of instances. Threads has over 200 million users on one instance. also due to the network nature of social media the amount of connections and messages sent through those connections can scale exponentially with the amount of users.

Max_P ,
@Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me avatar

Definitely can appreciate the carefulness here. Imagine they just open the floodgates and now some random Mastodon instance on a $5 VPS is getting hammered with millions of activities because they followed an account with millions of followers on Threads, and now it’s federating millions of likes and thousands of posts.

Meta is trying to be a good fediverse participant here. They could just come in and crush the entire fediverse and be like “lol should have gotten beefier servers”.

ExtremeDullard ,
@ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Great.
I joined the Fediverse to escape Facebook’s toxic interpretation of communities, so Facebook is coming to the Fediverse instead.
Just great…

Auster ,

Blocking everyone and every community you see from Facebook’s new parasite social media could be good, me thinks.

Fitik OP ,
@Fitik@fedia.io avatar

@Auster You can just use an instance that is defederated from them, that's the beauty of the Fediverse

According to https://lemm.ee/instances your instance already blocks them for example

@ExtremeDullard

tilefan ,

can’t you selectively block entire instances? you can in Boost

ExtremeDullard ,
@ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

It’s not just a matter of blocking Threads users.

Facebook is coming on here to slurp up data I don’t want them to have, and enriching their own Threads ecosystem with Fediverse content they haven’t lifted a finger to create.

Not to mention, when Threads users are able to fully interact in the Fediverse, do you really want that particular bunch to create noise in your communities? I don’t. There’s a reason why I avoid Facebook in all its forms.

tilefan ,

right but if I block their instance, they can never interact with me and vice versa.

Lost_My_Mind ,

Aw, buddy, cheer up.

Here’s some minions memes doing racist things! I mean, I assume thats what goes on if you’re on facebook.

kobra ,

Uh… this fediverse stuff is all on the public internet. Facebook could be slurping it up just as easily without joining at all.

Auster ,

From the instances I used, it seems to be a mixed bag. Some even allowed for the user to block domains unrelated to the fediverse.

Auster ,

Was commenting more generally, in case there’s someone against Facebook in instances that don’t block them.

And about lemm.ee, although the guy running it is strongly against defederation, I guess Facebook the company is too much even for him. "<.<

Maeve ,

How can we know?

Jimbo ,
@Jimbo@yiffit.net avatar

I am so glad my instance is defederated

Etterra ,

Boo. Go away Zuck and take your shitty vertical videos with you.

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