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A_A ,
@A_A@lemmy.world avatar
Time mod Action
6 hours ago mod
Removed Community Politics
reason: Unmoderated duplicate of /c/usa . Any world-related can use /c/worldnews

lemmy.ml/modlog?page=1&actionType=ModRemoveCommun…

onlinepersona ,

Might just be a bug. Let’s not overreact. lemmy.ml/c/[email protected] is also down. Says it can’t find the community. Time will tell.

Edit: nvm see comment

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AsakuraMao ,

.ml are outwardly and proudly tankie weirdo fuckfaces, doesn't suprise me at all to see them do something like this where the intent is to concentrate all political talk into a more easily controlled community.

TropicalDingdong ,

Seems like lemmy.ml is really collapsing in on itself. Overall not good for the general health of the fediverse. We need large “sibling” instances rather than monoliths like .world, which is to say nothing of the politics of the instance. The fewer “medium” to "large’ instances are, the more reliant the whole system becomes on “very large” monoliths like .world, which overall weakens the integrity of the network.

This also highlights the destructiveness of toxic moderation. There is plenty of it here too, but there needs to be some kind of accountability/ redress if open & free communities are going to be a long term project. Not really a big deal in the long run and something we’ll just have to keep working on.

btaf45 OP ,

We need large “sibling” instances rather than monoliths like .world, which is to say nothing of the politics of the instance.

Absolutely 1000%

This also highlights the destructiveness of toxic moderation. There is plenty of it here too

I can’t believe that lemmy mods/admins still think they have the luxury of making bone headed moves in a decentralized network. I am determined to get around this and it is the entire reason I am on a decentralized system. We vote with our feet and in the long term it will all work out. I am looking for suggestions for a politics group that is not lemmy.world and not lemmy.ml.

Blaze ,

Absolutely 1000%

Curious, coming from a LW account

kfchan ,

I'm not a LW fan. In my opinion, they are doing any % speedrun on how to become as bad as Reddit and succeeding admirably.

With that said, I don't hate on LW users. Most of them are probably unaware of the moderator issues from their own instance and are just looking for content.

bacon_saber ,

I don't think it was meant to be an insult to lemmy.world or its users. The post you're replying to is just pointing out some contradiction between a user agreeing with the need to spread out on the fediverse, while doing so by posting from one of the most stacked instances.

Lost_My_Mind ,

I slightly disagree. I think what needs to happen is there needs to be general instances, and specialized instances. By the nature of how they work, specialized instances would have more content, but less hosted users.

So Lemmy.World would be a general instance. You can host any community on a general instance, but it will do better if it can be hosted on a specialized instance (which most topics can be).

There may be niche topics that will do better on general instances, mostly if it doesn’t fit into any other catagory.

But lets say you want to follow your favorite baseball team. Well, you know Sports.InstanceName has all the sports. So you go there, search for your team and find [email protected]

And if everybody did this, the fediverse would at least make sense.

But lets say you want a community based on collecting toe nail clippings from the right foots pinky. Well, I can’t imagine a specialized instance would ever be made that you’d include THAT community. So you go to [email protected] and it will have like 3 subscribers.

Now, back to the baseball team for a second. IF you only come to the fediverse to talk baseball, maybe you’re fine being hosted on Sports.Instance. However most people would want their home instant to be a general instance. So that when they click “local” they get a bit of everything, whereas you hosted on the sports instance would only get sports.

The problem I see with the fediverse is there is a HUUUUUUUUGE learning curve. When you first get here, with zero introduction to the concepts of the platform, you’re just thrown in. I’ve even been insulted by people who assumed I didn’t know how the platform worked. Saying “You’re supposed to sort by subscribed, dumbass!”. The thing is, the problem I was describing WAS sorted by subscribed.

The way I’m describing, a new user can know "oh, this is where I find the sports, this is where I find the music, this is where I find the TV, ect ect ect.

You can still make [email protected], but without people looking for it there, you won’t get many people subscribing unless there’s some MAJOR issue with Sports.Instance.

You could also make Baseball.Instance. whereas Sports.Instance would be more of an all inclusive to all sports instance, which would help smaller sports communities grow, Baseball.Instance would be all about baseball communities.

And if I seem like I’m explaining the obvious, thats good. Thats the point. I want it to be obvious what every instance/community is, where it is, before you even seek it out or click it.

[email protected]. That doesn’t exist, but even as a hypothetical example, you already know what that community is going to be, and what that entire instance is catered to. You CAN’T click it, because it’s hypothetical, but you already know what it is.

That + a guide to the fediverse would go a LOOOOOONG way for newbies. I still don’t know how to visit Lemm.ee main page for example, without going there directly so I can stay logged in. I can figure out how to go to individual communities while logged in (and that whole process needs a simplification while we’re on the topic), but I can’t go to the main page, so I can click local, and see whats actively being posted to the whole instance like I can on my own instance. Theres probably a way…and it’s probably a bunch of overly complicated series of steps that isn’t naturally intuitive. Which is the biggest hurdle for this platform.

Blaze ,

That + a guide to the fediverse would go a LOOOOOONG way for newbies

!newtolemmy

but I can’t go to the main page, so I can click local, and see whats actively being posted to the whole instance like I can on my own instance. Theres probably a way…

There is not

Lost_My_Mind ,

!newtolemmy

That should be the first thing new users see. But also, it doesn’t go as far as I’m imagining. I’m imagining more of a wiki, with every single instance, with a description of what kind of content goes on that instance. What is that instance’s personality?

And then again for each individual community. You’d know which communities are active, and which not if the wiki doesn’t even have anyone that updates the wiki.

There is not

Well that removes a HUGE source of potential that Lemmy could have. It would be the second most useful new feature they could implement.

viking ,
@viking@infosec.pub avatar

This is very good for the health of the fediverse, .ml is home to too many good communities for such a shit instance. Hopefully now more of the mainstream communities on other instances will get more traction, so that we can block .ml and not miss out.

stevedidwhat_infosec ,

Very on brand of .ml to nuke a politics community

Blaze ,

Happy cake day

kersploosh ,
@kersploosh@sh.itjust.works avatar

The community was removed from lemmy.ml by their admins. Here’s the reason in the modlog:

Unmoderated duplicate of /c/usa . Any world-related can use /c/worldnews

btaf45 OP ,

Geez I can’t believe a major group was nuked just like that. I never noticed anything about it being unmoderated but thank you for providing the explanation.

empireOfLove2 ,

Lemmy.ml admins making rash, sweeping decisions that are conveniently harmful to any open public discourse? I never would have guessed.

btaf45 OP ,

Geez even with decentralization we still have people making bone headed decisions. What is the best/strongest politics group that is not lemmy.ml nor lemmy.world?

empireOfLove2 ,

Beehaw has a fairly active politics comm, their moderation is more on the strict side but it’s “hey be nice and dont use slurs” kind of strict and not “how dare you say Russia is bad, banned” kind of strict. Otherwise it’s .world.

!politics

kersploosh ,
@kersploosh@sh.itjust.works avatar

There are so many politics communities, but before you mentioned this I didn’t realize how are concentrated they are on .ml and .world. These look like the most-subscribed USA and World politics communities that aren’t on .ml or .world:

!politics
!usa
!worldpolitics
!politics

empireOfLove2 ,

Don’t link the Hexbear community. If you think .ml is bad, they’re 100x worse.

Lost_My_Mind ,

I get not wanting to interact with lemmy.ml

Whats wrong with Lemmy.World? Or are you just saying its too big?

Blaze ,

They have an account there, which is surprising

Draegur ,

Central planning committee knows what’s best now eat your slop or it’s the gulag for you /s

TropicalDingdong ,

Lemmy & the fediverse needs to be more modular.

We need… something like a “transfer, merge, fork, split” for communities.

For example, if these guys are just going to nuke that content, another instance should have the opportunity to either fork it, or merge it with another community. Its mostly the same stuff as would have been in c/Politics here.

And what it does now, is it puts even more editorial power in the hands of fewer people (ones that ml probably) don’t vibe with.

Classic boneheaded decision.

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