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Can someone take over KBin?

I’m having to register to Lemmy directly now, when I’m used to posting from KBin’s instance. But now the errors is getting so bothersome that I can’t even surf around currently on it. The 50x error comes up after everytime I post somewhere, like make a thread.

The current admin is dealing with issues at the moment and can’t always be there, which is unfortunate because it sets up KBin and it’s magazines to be contaminated with bots, spam and other problems.

Andromxda ,
@Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Mbin is a much better fork of Kbin

Fubarberry ,
@Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz avatar

I know there was an issue not long ago where Sopuli had to defederate from kbin for awhile. Kbin had a federation bug that was endlessly spamming federation updates and it was causing Sopuli to fall behind on federation.

Mbin had a fix up pretty quick, but several attempts to reach the Kbin admin all failed.

Dave ,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

Kbin still has that bug. Lemmy.world is actively throttling the number of activities it accepts from Kbin as if they don’t, they then federate these out to other servers and it impacts on the ability of those servers to keep up with the genuine Lemmy.world content.

Even with this throttling some are struggling to keep up.

onlinepersona ,

You should be able to mark this as solved, honestly. There is already a fork that’s been mentioned multiple times here. (MBin). Here’s a list of instances.

Anti Commercial-AI license

Blackout ,
@Blackout@kbin.run avatar

Kbin.run is well maintained. Whenever I submit a bug they are on it right away, it's impressive.

redcalcium ,

I have to unsubscribe from some of kbin’s magazines because bots constantly posting spam there in past few months. It’s bad. I didn’t know the dev runs double duty as mod as well.

haui_lemmy ,

I unsubscribed from kbin for that exact reason a bit earlier. I‘m sad the platform is suffering and the person taking care of it is overwhelmed.

It does show the fundamental flaw of foss software. People should really donate even small amounts to these platforms so they can afford more dev time.

I feel like this needs to be addressed soon in general, not only in this case.

sabreW4K3 ,
@sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al avatar

We do need to create a culture of donations within the FOSS community. But we also need to get real with our expectations. People don’t realise how much time and effort has gone into Lemmy to where it is. People think that creating an alternative is quick and easy and it’s not. Honestly, for more people, their time would be better invested in creating an alternative front-end rather than a whole new piece of software. A one person development team just isn’t sustainable for 99% of projects. New software takes a lot of time to get to a state where it’s ready.

haui_lemmy ,

I agree 100%. Still, I dont think most people will donate until they have to and this will lock those out who cant and drive those away who rather sell their privacy. Maybe lemmy (and other foss) should go full wikipedia mode and have banners all over the place until you donate even a dollar. I donate 1$ a week (not the only project I donate to either).

Then, on the other hand countries should have programmes to fund this kind of stuff and it should just happen by user count.

What do you think would be a viable option?

sabreW4K3 ,
@sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al avatar

I keep coming back to the idea of cooperatives. If say me, you and three other people all use Lemmy and Mastodon, what’s to stop us putting £10 into a pot monthly to pay for hosting and the domain. I don’t think the problem is the willingness, I think its just the culture. We need to build the culture up of people investing in their freedom and autonomy. We need to build the infrastructure for cooperatives to thrive.

I also like think we should have governments donating towards hosting and teaching people about self hosting. Whether on a VPS or in home.

haui_lemmy ,

Thats exactly what I do. A couple of friends use my vps and it has many fediverse services running with 99% uptime.

They throw some dollars my way and I kick a share to the devs and other software that runs this place. I‘m also putting in hours to improve the software and coming up with ideas how to distribute the money better.

What we need is better organization. People need to know about this, talk about it and make plans together imo.

sabreW4K3 ,
@sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al avatar

Well there you have it. You are the blueprint!

Dave , (edited )
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

I like the idea of Sublinks for this reason. They wanted to create a Lemmy alternative, but they are maintaining Lemmy API compatibility. That way they build one piece at a time. The Lemmy frontend Tesseract was forked from Photon, and then became the Sublinks front end. But it’s still also a Lemmy frontend because they work with the same API structure.

In addition, Lemmy apps all work with Sublinks as well.

This way, they could focus on just the backend component, and rely on Lemmy components for the other pieces until they are able to get everything in house. Though they have a plan to keep Lemmy API compatibility, so there will always be this big pile of apps and web frontends that can be used with both.

imaqtpie ,
@imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works avatar

Kbin is more or less dead. You should probably switch over to Mbin, which is a fork of kbin that is in more active development.

This is the flagship instance, not really sure about any others.

kbin.melroy.org

Or just use a Lemmy instance.

BentiGorlich ,
@BentiGorlich@gehirneimer.de avatar

Here is a list of mbin instances: https://fedidb.org/software/mbin
We do not really have a "flagship" instance, as we saw that it created a bunch of problems for kbin having one

pewgar_seemsimandroid ,

fedia.io is what i use

Andromxda ,
@Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I’d say kbin.run is the flagship instance (yes it’s an mbin instance although it has kbin in the name), I think it’s run by one of the mbin developers

BentiGorlich ,
@BentiGorlich@gehirneimer.de avatar

If you go by that then we have at least 4 flagship instances:

  • kbin.run ~ Debounced
  • kbin.melroy.org ~ Melroy
  • gehirneimer.de ~ Me
  • thebrainbin.org ~ also Me
Andromxda ,
@Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

kbin.run is the most popular one of these and has the most generic sounding name, therefore I declare it the flagship instance lol

snownyte OP ,

I just registered to MBin. Hopefully it’s the last place I’ll have to register to. Because while I love the fediverse by it’s design. Having to register so many accounts is getting me batty. We’re already in an era of technology where nearly everything requires an account of some kind.

imaqtpie ,
@imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works avatar

Yeah I hear you. Unfortunately we are in the early adopter phase so it requires extra effort sometimes

Danterious ,

Is it possible for you to use a mbin server instead? I think it is a fork that has more active development going on around it.

https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/deed.en

sabreW4K3 ,
@sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al avatar

I’m sorry, but this sounds… you are aware you’re asking people to run a social network just so you’re not inconvenienced, right and why would the developer just relinquish control of their flagship to appease you?

I just don’t understand how you got there ahead of finding another kbin instance, switching to mbin? Switching to Lemmy?

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