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Why are Texas and California so politically different?

Texas: Fascist ranch-land where freedom is illegal and everything is privately owned by billionaires.

California: Communist utopia with hippies and free love handed out on street corners.

Why so different? They were both Mexican at one time. So what made one go hard right and the other hard left? Was it the gays in San Fran. and artistes in LA or something else?

charonn0 ,
@charonn0@startrek.website avatar

Those are gross oversimplifications that don’t accurately describe either state or their populations.

cashews_best_nut OP ,

Those are gross oversimplifications

Really?! Well I never!

MrBubbles96 ,

Holy massive oversimplification, Batman…

Also:

Fascist

Communist

Outta all the words you could’ve chosen, you went with the two that people throw at heavy Conservative and Heavy Liberal places because it makes them sound worse than they actually are (and, i’m going to guess, because they don’t know what either a facist state or a communist state actually look and function like). Interesting.

cashews_best_nut OP ,

I chose the extremes to highlight the difference and simplify my question. I didn’t want to spend an hour deconstructing my experience of US politics which is mostly through online discussions and a general sense of the places.

Thank you for completely failing to answer my question - consider that very dry sarcasm (you seem to need the help interpreting sentiment - yes - that’s an insult).

MrBubbles96 ,

Again, you could have done it dozen different ways without resorting to the same misuse of words that the overly radicalized ignorants of both side of the democratic or republican spectrum choose to throw at each other. But fair, I didn’t answer your question.

It’s more to do with both the politics (Cali is a Blue State, meaning the majority of those that vote lean more towards Democratic, Liberal, more progressive/open-minded values. Texas is a Red State and leans in the opposite way. Republican, Conservative, more “old fashioned” values. Note that this isn’t always the case, and you can and will find a mixture of idiologies across it. Well, i can only personally speak for Texas since I live there, but that’s everywhere in the US, i want to say, not just these two titianic states) the cultures of the two places (both in the American side and Mexican side and how they mingled with each other throughout thier histories), and what region they’re located at. And there’s probably more factors I’m missing that contribute to why they are the way they are, like difference in educations of the two states, and just how different living in one place is to the other that yeah, it’s very complicated and can’t be distilled down to just “the gays” or “the artists”.

Bitrot ,
@Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

The difference is the power balance between urban / rural. Rural California, especially in the north, is not so different from Texas. Cities in Texas are not so different than California. I don’t think all rural / urban areas are necessarily like this depending on local culture (or Maine would be more like Texas) but living in both of those places that is what it seemed like.

cashews_best_nut OP ,

THANK YOU! I appreciate the answer. :)

andrew ,
@andrew@lemmy.stuart.fun avatar

Furthermore, I suspect there’s a lot of availability bias in play. In rural communities you can do a lot of environmentally unfriendly things and not see immediate consequences because there’s a lot more availability of the externalities per person. Nature can heal itself when density is low. Or you can leave that spot alone and have plenty of space for yourself still. In cities you more quickly see a lot of the consequences of policy changes large populations, especially when it comes to visible side effects. You also see poverty and may not see benefits of community help as much because it’s just so dang expensive to live in a city, much less both live and run organizations that do help others outside of government, which I’ve definitely seen happen when they can afford the real estate for e.g. a homeless shelter. People do genuinely want to help sometimes but they’re often not the loud ones making waves and running for office on hateful platforms.

PP_BOY_ ,
@PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

This might be the worst example of oversimplification I’ve ever seen, to such an extent that I’d for sure think you were trolling if we were on any other site.

Please go to somewhere like Redding, CA, and tell them you like their communist hippie utopia and see how it pans out. Or, do the opposite in Austin, TX. Sociopolitical differences are split a lot closer along the lines of urban:rural than they are state:state.

gibmiser ,

My bet - oil vs gold. Im not entirely sure of how it played out in California, but California was settled largely by gold prospectors who were mainly unsuccessful.

I believe Texas was settled already and later got rich because of oil.

My guess is something to do with that.

littlebluespark ,
@littlebluespark@lemmy.world avatar

Yes, let’s feed oversimplification with checks notes more oversimplification. 🤦🏽‍♂️ You think this is FB?

gibmiser ,

Hey chill, this is ask lemmy, not ask historians. I made it pretty clear I was just speculating.

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