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How can we believe and trust censored Bibles?

In the Bible, it says clearly that no one should make a dare to edit or correct the Bible by any words. But many chapters and contents are extremely censored from the original Bible. How is this acceptable, and how do we know the truth and full story about the entire life?

(Finally, some of the replies and trolls I received made me more confused. But thanks a lot for the reference replies.)

JimmyBigSausage ,

How can you believe an uncensored one?

Alb087 OP ,
@Alb087@lemmy.ml avatar

Because the life itself doesn’t have a meaning itself. I belive in god and without god its hard to live the life. Otherwise we can easily get into sins. There are more beyond some myths.

And the unavoidable truth is death.

CaptainBasculin ,

An answer for this in Muslim’s book Quran is that all the previous books god itself sent were edited by humans as time went on.

Though its defence on whether Quran would be edited by humans is that god will not let it happen, there’s the argument that which in that case why did God let the previous books get edited in the first place?

Vanth ,
@Vanth@reddthat.com avatar

By “original Bible” do you mean the Masoretic text, which is in the Hebrew language and finalized in about the year 1100 A.D.? Or the Septuagint text, the Greek translation of the Torah dating around 300 B.C.? Or some other “Bible” from some point across that 1,400 year stretch?

You don’t know. Or you say “faith” and put the contradictions out of your mind.

Alb087 OP ,
@Alb087@lemmy.ml avatar

I mean the original bible that written by collection of texts written in different languages (Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic) over a period of 200-300 BCE.

Vanth ,
@Vanth@reddthat.com avatar

So over the course of 100ish years and translation through multiple languages, what version is the original one? Like, where is this Bible physically located? Stored in a museum somewhere? Available for study so that translations into modern languages can be checked against it?

LaGG_3 ,
@LaGG_3@hexbear.net avatar

IDK, convert to Islam if you’re that worried about reading your holy texts in their original language?

CanadaPlus , (edited )

It does have the nice feature that the holy book as it exists is definitely a faithful copy of the one dictated by the known, independently attested historical figure.

Of course, most of the actual practices derive from the Hadiths, lol.

anarchoilluminati ,
@anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net avatar

That won’t help. Qur’an was also edited and altered over time.

Personally, I don’t see a need for Christians to covert to Islam, especially for something so trivial. The religions are so similar already, and Muslims already believe that Jesus was a prophet and other aspects of Christianity. If a Christian has some deviating opinion from mainstream Christianity, I am willing to bet good money that there was already a sect or group that had the same idea a long time ago. There’s no reason not to just consider oneself part of that group without having to convert religions and still hold Islam in high regard.

I know too many people that converted to Islam from Christianity for silly reasons like this that were already addressed by some other Christian group or whatever, in my opinion. I understand if someone is coming from a totally different religion and wants to be Muslim, that’s okay to me I guess. But Islam and Christianity are already so similar, there’s almost no point. I think some people just got caught up in the anti-Islamaphobia wave (good thing) and then fetishized Islam as the better or politically acceptable religion among Leftists that doesn’t have similar issues to Christianity (not good, in my opinion).

LaGG_3 ,
@LaGG_3@hexbear.net avatar

I’ll admit that I was making a bad faith suggestion lol. OP’s concern over censorship and Lemmy profile makes them come off kinda reactionary. Plus, the question seems kinda goofy.

anarchoilluminati ,
@anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net avatar

For sure, I do think it’s either a bot or a troll fishing but it’s a subject worth discussing. Haha

Mr_Fish ,

Don’t fully trust the translations. There are some that are pretty good, but none are exactly perfect. You can get the original language and wording (or the closest we have) with a quick Google, so use that if you ever think the translation is borderline.

Bonifratz ,

What do you mean by censored? Do you have examples of censored “chapters and contents”? And what do you mean by the original Bible?

sorghum ,
@sorghum@sh.itjust.works avatar

King James notoriously removed mentions of the word tyrant in his English translations.

It’s why I like the NET translation as it includes translation notes from the original languages

Bonifratz ,

King James notoriously removed mentions of the word tyrant in his English translations.

AFAIK this is an urban myth. But even if true, it’s hardly a case of “censoring”, but more a (questionable) translation choice. (Because “tyrant” is not a word that appears in the original Hebrew or Greek, so it can’t have been censored in that sense.)

sorghum ,
@sorghum@sh.itjust.works avatar

From the translation notes on Job 6:23

The עָרִיצִים ('aritsim) are tyrants, the people who inspire fear (Job 15:20; 27:13); the root verb עָרַץ ('arats) means “to terrify” (Job 13:25).

The NET translation

Or ‘Deliver me from the enemy’s power, and from the hand of tyrants ransom me’?

It’s exactly why I really like the NET translation. Getting context for why or how the original text gets translated to English is incredibly valuable to me. Here in this context I’m sure aritsim doesn’t literally mean tyrant, but the people became synonymous with the definition like “Shaka, when the walls fell” means failure.

Bonifratz ,

Yes, I very much agree that such explanations are helpful.

Alb087 OP ,
@Alb087@lemmy.ml avatar

Dude, are you serious ? 🙄😐

Bonifratz ,

Yes, of course.

Both of these things need defining before anybody can answer your question.

“Censoring”, the way I understand the word, means that there’s some kind of institution charged with overseeing and removing parts of a text. So I wonder at which point in the development of the Bible you believe this has occurred.

I’ve argued in a different comment that it’s no secret that certain texts were picked and chosen by the early church as part of its canon, but that (in my opinion) is a very different thing than censoring. To give an analogy: If I was an editor and had to choose the “100 greatest novels of the 20th century” for a book, I would not be “censoring” those I didn’t choose. Therefore I’m asking you what exactly you mean by censoring, and if you can give examples of censorship happening in the development of the Biblical texts.

Secondly, “original Bible” is not at all easy to define. The (Christian) Bible is a collection of texts of diverse genres, by a multitude of authors, in three languages, spanning at least seven or eight centuries in their development. None of the original manuscripts have survived. Instead, for every part of the Bible, there exist different copies which sometimes differ slightly, sometimes starkly. This is the reason textual criticism of the Bible exists as a field of scholarship. Most notably, the (older) Septuagint version of the Book of Jeremiah is about one eighth shorter than the (later) version of the Masoretic text.

All of this means that if you’re going to talk about the “original Bible”, you have to tell us what you mean by that. Do you mean

  • the original manuscripts of each individual book or passage, all of which are lost?
  • the oldest surviving copies of each passage, respectively?
  • the Septuagint (and if yes, which version of it)?
  • the Masoretic text (and if yes, which version of it)?
  • the current scholarly consensus on the most faithful manuscripts, as collected e. g. in the Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia and the Novum Testamentum Graece 28?
Iapar ,

This one comes to mind:

“*** ***** **** ******** *** ***** ****** *** ***** **** ***** ****** ** *** ***** ** ******** ** **** *** ***** ** ***** ******”

Always brings a tear to my eye.

Bonifratz ,

Hehe

johnefrancis ,

which version of which bible?

Alb087 OP ,
@Alb087@lemmy.ml avatar

Everything

jbrains ,

I’m curious about what you think. How do you react to this?

Alb087 OP ,
@Alb087@lemmy.ml avatar

Who react to what ?

jbrains ,

How do you react to this?

In the Bible, it says clearly that no one should make a dare to edit or correct the Bible by any words. But many chapters and contents are extremely censored from the original Bible.

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