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EnsignRedshirt ,

Internal politics is going to be responsible for some of it. This is an unexpected opportunity for individuals to advance their careers or agendas outside of the usual process, and some of them are going to take the opportunity. They might not even dislike the idea of Harris being the nominee, but they want to find a way to use their support to their advantage. The Democrats are hardly a monolith, they’re a broad coalition that barely holds together at the best of times, it’s not that weird that there would be conflict.

There’s also the issue that there hasn’t been any sort of democratic process to select a new nominee. Harris makes sense for a number of reasons, and the party does have the authority to nominate whomever they want, but they have to avoid making it look like the party insiders are just coronating a new nominee. It’s bad optics, if nothing else. This is also a pretty unprecedented situation, and it seems like no one knew it was going to happen for sure. It makes sense that there’s a conversation out in the open about who is going to be the nominee.

As a candidate, she’s not the best choice, but she’s an improvement over Biden. I doubt she would have won a genuinely competitive primary process. She’s probably in the best position to be the nominee at this moment, but there are no doubt plenty of people who feel that this could have been handled better and are going to make their opinions heard.

sunzu , (edited )

Kamala aint the issue... DNC clowns got no credibility left since 2016 they are doing some fucking weird switecheeroos.

What is point of primaries, just assign candidate based on party affiliation.

Zachariah ,
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I’m confused… why do even Republicans seem conflicted on Donald Trump as a candidate?

What do repubs worry about him?

Hextubewontallowme OP ,
@Hextubewontallowme@lemmy.ml avatar

Wait, so Dems seem to have like a majority support of her, that’s news to me?

Zachariah ,
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You can tell Republicans are just not saying it out loud, but they wish someone else was more likely to win than an old convicted felon. They’re just gambling they can get what they want out of it.

JimmyBigSausage ,

We are not conflicted. We are unified! Even AOC has endorsed her.

WatDabney ,

I’ve seen no evidence that they are.

What little organic commentary I’ve seen has been cautiously optimistic at worst.

The barrage of anti-Harris stuff that all started appearing at essentially the same time reeks of astroturf.

imPastaSyndrome ,

Kahmahlah is a cop

Zarxrax ,

You’re never going to get all Democrats to be satisfied with any candidate, ever. People are going to complain because they love complaining. That said, I think most people are probably fine with her.

Pronell , (edited )

The phrase is Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line.

But I don’t think it’s really all that accurate. It’s more like Republicans fall in line, Democrats come to terms with.

And we will.

Also, Biden was not bad at the job. Few had the knowledge of the levers of power to keep shit running with Republican/Sinema/Manchin obstruction.

But he is four years older, and I hope moving to a different candidate works out. Democrats should love a chance to vote for a totally new candidate who keeps most of the same mildly progressive agenda.

But I will say if she doesn’t stick with the plan to reform the Supreme Court I will be extremely disappointed.

memfree ,
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It would be more useful if Biden did the Court thing rather than waiting for Harris to maybe do it if she wins. What if she doesn’t win? What is she wins, but the existing Court does yet more damage between now and then?

I do agree with you that Biden was a good President. I’ve never seen a President that did all the stuff we wanted, but they’ve always faced opposition and had to make comprises to get anything at all pushed through. I really wanted nationalized health care, but the best Obama could do was Obamacare – which isn’t great, but is sooo much better than the whole ‘pre-existing conditions’ denial system we had before. I really want the U.S. to stop backing Israel because of the Gaza crisis, but I don’t want to see all the surrounding nations to wipe Israel off the map if the U.S. isn’t there. I thought Biden gave a fantastic State of the Union speech. We know it was on a teleprompter, but he delivered with energy and style. I suspect his decline (as with so many other aging people) has been uneven/sporadic, so I can’t even blame anyone for ‘hiding’ his decline because I bet everyone was seeing lots of good days in there, too – at least until the last month or so.

Off topic: I have a relative going through a sudden decline. She’s been old for a long time, but the last couple months have been a dramatic change for the worse despite no particular health issue. She’s just suddenly much, much older and even her neighbors are commenting to us family. Seeing it in her, I imagine Biden might be going through the same thing.

WatDabney , (edited )

I would go so far as to say that it’s vital that Biden handles court reform, because it has to be done before the election.

We can already be sure that Trump and his backers are planning legal challenges on whatever grounds might vaguely appear to be something resembling legitimate in the event that he loses, and we can also be sure that at least Thomas and Alito will rule in their favor, no matter how ludicrous their arguments might be, simply because they’re entirely and completely compromised. They’ve already demonstrated that law is irrelevant - that they serve demagoguery, shallow self-interest, bigotry and corruption. And given the chance, they WILL do their parts to destroy democracy in the US.

We can’t afford to give them the chance.

And that could be Biden’s legacy - the president who led the efforts that saved America from a fascist coup.

the_frumious_bandersnatch ,

What do you think Biden will be able to on court reform without a supermajority in the House and Senate?

The court reform announcement is entirely an aspirational effort. “Just think what we could do if you get out and vote.”

I think that, like it or not, the legal landscape today is what we have to contend with this election cycle.

queermunist ,
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Also, Biden was not bad at the job.

There’s no fucking way he was doing the job in 2024 the same as in 2020. He’s declined way too much.

Today ,

He’s a smart guy with all the connections and history with everyone. Great advisor, but not great in front of the camera.

TheBigBrother ,

Definitely democrats have a big crybaby mood, they live in an unreal ideological bubble. always complaining for everything and instead of organizing effectively they just want to convince everyone with the LGBTQIA+ rethoric.

People who have a protagonic syndrome and like to believe their POV it’s the best of all human history.

ShepherdPie ,

They’re always complaining because time after time the party would rather coddle Republicans and the wealthy than rock the boat leading to a bunch of virtue signaling and watered down legislation that helps almost nobody while the Overton window shifts further and further right.

Maybe you’re satisfied with the state of politics in this country, but I’m sure the hell not.

TheBigBrother ,

I’m not ok about the actual status quo but I’m still believe humankind isn’t ready for something else yet.

zephr_c ,

Mostly they’re afraid that swing voters won’t vote for a black woman, but are afraid of saying that out loud.

jimmydoreisalefty ,
@jimmydoreisalefty@lemmy.world avatar

Or, hear me out:

Maybe, just maybe, it is due to the continuation of the status quo, similar to warmonger Hillary Clinton.

zephr_c ,

For people on Lemmy, sure, but for mainstream Democrats? Nah. Don’t buy it.

jimmydoreisalefty ,
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Well, that can also be said for those that consume MSM vs. those on social media and the internet.

There are also groups that voted for Obama, then turned around and voted for Trump.

Obama: Hope.

Trump: Drain the swap.

They might have learned to never trust a politician at face value.

zephr_c ,

I mean, people are complicated and different from each other. I’m sure there are lots of independents and leftists that’s all true of, and I’m sure if you looked around you could even find a few members of the Democratic Party that fit that and also are skeptical of Kamala Harris.

I think most people who are within the mainstream of the Democratic Party and also worried about Kamala Harris as the presidential candidate are likely mostly people who have let demographic polling rot their brains though. That is what I was attempting to say with my original post.

JimmyBigSausage ,

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    zephr_c ,

    Are you even an actual Democrat who is conflicted about Kamala Harris as the nominee? Because those are the people I’m talking about.

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    zephr_c ,

    I didn’t ask any questions, and I didn’t say or intend to imply that all Democrats are conflicted. They’re clearly not. There have been a huge number of Democrats coming out strongly in favor of her. Why are you making up lies to defend your weird statement?

    JimmyBigSausage ,

    I was referring to the post.

    zephr_c ,

    It’s not my post. I didn’t make it. If you don’t like the way it’s phrased why are arguing with me about something completely different?

    JimmyBigSausage ,

    Sorry I originally meant to reply to post!!

    zephr_c ,

    Oh. Oh, that makes sense than. Yeah, we’ve all made that mistake. No big deal then.

    toasteecup ,

    Wrong. Gimme a black woman to vote for and I’ll do it.

    I’m pissed because we pissed away the emcumbant advantage but what’s done is done, here’s hoping we get to celebrate the first female president instead of orange Hitler.

    zephr_c ,

    Congratulations, you aren’t skeptical of Kamala Harris, and therefore aren’t the person I was talking about. Good for you, but you didn’t prove anything wrong.

    viking ,
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    Not American, so please take this with a grain of salt; but from what I hear she was campaigning in 2020 and dropped out early in favor of Biden because her support in the population was miniscule. So I can imagine they are quite wary whether the perception has changed to the point of her being able to actually win the election.

    zephr_c ,

    To be fair, name recognition is hugely important in politics, and in 2020 nobody outside of California had heard of her.

    Pronell ,

    She is a woman of color who was a cop and prosecutor when recent events call those first two qualities into question with the latter two.

    But this is a time when Democrats, I believe, will say that this is a strong candidate with knowledge of the legal system in a time when we need to strike down right-wing supported terrorism and put the enemies of our nation away.

    Let’s see how she campaigns, not that she can lose my vote.

    memfree ,
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    But she has name recognition now that she’s been VP. That is a huge bonus.

    Nemo ,

    Some don’t consider her progressive enough, some consider her too controversial (eg. non-white, non-male, former prosecutor) to win.

    sunzu ,

    How much of the democratic and "independents" populations actually care about eg. non-white, non-male,

    And how many care about former prosecutor?

    Asking for a friend

    Nemo ,

    More than will admit it, for the former. Or sometimes it’s phrased as “Well I don’t care but it will drive the racists and sexists of the other party against her.”

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