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Is cake a sort of bread?

So according to Merriam Webster bread is: a usually baked and leavened food made of a mixture whose basic constituent is flour or meal

And cake is: A: a breadlike food made from a dough or batter that is usually fried or baked in small flat shapes and is often unleavened B: a sweet baked food made from a dough or thick batter usually containing flour and sugar and often shortening, eggs, and a raising agent (such as baking powder)

And yet some people don’t think that cake is bread.

What’s your opinion?

ShittyBeatlesFCPres ,

Do bagels count as cake based on calorie count or bread based on texture/flavor or doughnuts based on shape?

Resol ,
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar

Rye bread looks like chocolate cake. So… is bread a sort of cake?

Ziggurat ,

US bread taste like bread, it’s soft and sugary.

I would turn it the other way breads are a sort of cake but more minimalist (water, flour, yeast, and a pinch of salt) and then there is some pimped bread which moves toward the cake, like when you add milk or even eggs

meekah ,
@meekah@lemmy.world avatar

I think the clue is in the definition you posted:

a breadlike food.

As a german I would say that bread and cake are very similar, but distinct things, even though the border is very blurry. Take brioche, I think that’s more of a bread, but it’s very soft, moist and sweet, so it leans heavily towards cake.

I’d say in general bread is more savory or neutral, made to be eaten with something, and cake is sweet and supposed to be a food on it’s own.

ASeriesOfPoorChoices ,

that’s what I don’t get. OP posts how they specifically aren’t the same and then goes on like he didn’t just write that.

CanadaPlus ,

Yes, cake is bread. This is controversial because of the savoury vs. sweet distinction we have, but there’s no consistent way to include all the breads of the world without including Western cakes too.

jol ,

I think saying cake is bread is like saying scrambled eggs is an omelette.

CanadaPlus ,

Isn’t it more like saying an omelette is scrambled eggs? And yes, actually, the only difference between a scramble and omelette is shape.

jol ,

The ingredients used in both are also different. Don’t have to be, but usually are.

CanadaPlus ,

Interesting. What would you expect in one but not the other? I can’t think of anything, but it might be regional.

Plain scrambled eggs would be the scramble equivalent of a baguette with just flour, water and salt. An omelette loaded with things might be more like the cake.

jol ,

Exactly. And there are sweet brrads like brioche that are almost cakes. And plain cakes like banana “bread”. By point exactly is that scrambled eggs are more usually plain, and omelettes are more usually rich with other ingredients, but prepared differently, like how bread is kneaded but cake not.

CanadaPlus ,

I’d say cakes are all bread, but not all bread is cake. Likewise, I’d say omelettes are a type of egg dish, as are plain scrambled eggs, but not all egg dishes are one of those.

If you kept to Western cuisine you could argue bread as a distinct category both within “homogeneous baked goods” or something, but then ingera (for example) would probably end up being a cake, and that’s not quite right. It’s more important that bread include all solid grain-based staples the world over than that it exclude Western cake, IMO.

Alaskaball ,
@Alaskaball@hexbear.net avatar

Cake is bread but bread isn’t Cake.

Unless you’re American

SuiXi3D ,
@SuiXi3D@fedia.io avatar

As a former bakery owner: No, not at all. Cakes are made with loose batters, ideally with very little gluten. Breads are made with doughs, ideally with a bunch of gluten. Of course there are some formulas that might blur the lines a bit, but in general if you’re quite literally pouring the batter into a mold or pan of some sort rather than placing it inside, it’s a cake. Or a muffin. Or a cupcake.

Should also be noted that cakes are usually leavened chemically rather than with yeast. You don’t usually allow a cake batter to rise like you do with a bread dough.

nilloc ,

Are pumpkin/banana/zucchini breads still bread in this definition?

SuiXi3D ,
@SuiXi3D@fedia.io avatar

From my experience, no. They’re made from batters and poured into a loaf pan, causing the iconic shape. If you frosted them they’d be a cake like any other.

Nikls94 ,

theguardian.com/…/irish-court-rules-subway-bread-…

Depends on sugar.

Aggravationstation ,

No, but cheese is a kind of meat www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fc_2BxVurM

MTK ,

I once had a similar thought and reached the conclusion that based on dictionary definitions, everything can be categorized as either a soup or a salad.

Cake and bread are actually the same since they are both soups.

Agent641 ,

What is pizza?

dizzy ,
@dizzy@lemmy.ml avatar

Salad obviously

Agent641 ,

But the pizza base is bread, and bread is a soup.

MTK ,

Ask yourself this: is it cooked?

If it is, it’s soup, if it’s not, it’s a salad.

And if some parts of it are cooked and some are not, it is a salad and a soup mixed in some way.

Pizza would just be soup. Sushi for example is a soup and salad combo, since the rice is cooked (soup) and the filling is usually fresh (salad)

lemmyknow ,

The Cube Rule of Food Identification

GrayBackgroundMusic ,

Yes. Flour, water, heat. That’s it. Tortillas are bread. Cake is bread. Crackers are bread.

card797 ,

These comments could be part of an episode of Qi.

CrabAndBroom ,

Maybe yeast is the thing?

In which case, cake isn’t bread.

And also bread isn’t bread, it’s just a really thick beer.

But it doesn’t have alcohol, so you’d need to add sugar.

Then beer is cake.

oo1 ,

You don’t need cake. You do knead bread.

LemmyKnowsBest ,

You don’t need cake. You don’t need bread either.

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