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Attitude to Religion and its believers.

What is your general attitude towards those who believe in religion whether they are jewish, Muslim, Christian etc etc.

Do you get on well with any religious friends and neighbours?

Have you ever thought of believing in a religion at some point?

If you do not like the faiths, why?

If you DO, also why? Does this come from your family? Maybe something went bad during your life?

I get that Lemmy might have the same stereotype in Reddit that there are loads of atheists, but there’s a good reason why despite criticism of religion, it is still here.

P.S. I am not religious or anti religious in any fashion, I am agnostic.

HubertManne ,

I used to be fence sitter agnostic but Qanon has made me deep on the athiest side. I don't care what ones religion is but I don't want to hear about it. Its fine to mention it but if someone is always talking about it then I will avoid them.

Brickardo ,

Don’t ask don’t tell

juliebean ,

personally, i don’t get, like, at all. i don’t care what nonsense folk put their faith in, so long as they don’t use it to justify being a dick, or try to justify others being a dick. maybe they get some pity/sympathy from me, to a point, cause they probably got brainwashed when they were a child, or otherwise in a vulnerable state, and maybe some amusement depending on how ‘out there’ their counterfactual beliefs are.

i generally get on well enough with my religious friends, but it’s not a topic that comes up much in real life.

i don’t usually care for organized religion, but that has more to do with my anarchism than my atheism.

this all goes equally whether we’re talking about conventional religions, modern conspiracy theories, new-age mumbo jumbo, or what-have-you.

Zerlyna ,
@Zerlyna@lemmy.world avatar

I’m an ex-Christian, the more I read the Bible, the more it doesn’t make sense. But I respect others choices to believe in their higher power, whatever that may be that makes their life work. Double points if they respect back. They all can’t be right.

space_of_eights ,

I respect the fact that people believe. They even can form their own clubs as far as I’m concerned. Forcing those beliefs onto other people is something I do have an issue with.

hanrahan ,
@hanrahan@slrpnk.net avatar

Same way I get on wih other people who have imaginary friends, I just ignore them and worry about the inevitable indoctrination (aka abuse) of their children.

Nemo ,

I myself am Christian and have never had trouble getting along with others no matter their religious beliefs. The only conflict is when someone thinks their religion or religious precepts should be made law; I have no tolerance for that.

crazyminner ,

I am Anti-theist, If anyone brings up religion around me I will not hesitate to tear it down. These people are playing make belief and if affects my life, I have to live in a world where people make decisions based on some imaginary sky friend.

I will not play nice for the sake of someone feeling good about their bullshit.

Cagi ,

So you’re an asshole, using religion as an excuse to berate and bully people, got it.

crazyminner ,

I actually care a lot about people. I don’t care much for ideas though.

How’s it go? Love the person hate the imaginary “friends”?

One thing that’s nice about being visibly queer is that luckily people don’t try to con me into their religions.

crazyminner ,

Flat-earther comes up to you and tells you the earth is flat. What do you do tell them to each there own? Or do you tell them no the earth is not flat and they should educate themselves?

Cagi ,

That’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying you don’t need to be an asshole to disagree. You don’t need to “tear down” beliefs and “not play nice”. Being rude to people for being wrong just makes them dig deeper into being wrong out of defensiveness. It isn’t about edification, it’s about finding an excuse to be mean.

That said, other people’s education is not my responsibility. Taking the time and energy required to correct a random stranger about what shape the earth is isn’t going to change the world but it will take a toll on me. Being wrong doesn’t make them a bad person. Being a jerk to them for believing so does. Believing in a flat earth a symptom of fundamentally flawed reasoning skills that I don’t have the time or energy to deal with. If someone believes the earth is flat, I’ll politely disagree and state my opinion, but ultimately I’ll let them do them. Who cares. I choose my friends, they won’t make the cut.

red_pigeon ,

Unfortunately, “these people” have to live in a world where you exist too and your conflicting attitude affect their lives.

Learn to live and let live, my friend. You cannot expect the world to accept you if you are not ready to accept them.

crazyminner ,

I accept people, I will never accept irrational/harmful beliefs. Luckily it looks like access to the internet’s vast wealth of knowledge is killing religion in the next generations.

Haus ,

For the don’t-anger-the-sky-daddy religions, roughly the same as having a crazy aunt who gives 10% of her shit to a psychic or Trump. I haven’t experienced the be-one-with-the-universe religions being as exploitative, but I guess those wack Theravadan Wats don’t pay for themselves.

SnotFlickerman ,
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

www.cnn.com/2023/04/10/india/…/index.html

Buddhism has its own set of worthless freaks, you know.

SnotFlickerman , (edited )
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Despite the claimed ostensible “good” Religion can supposedly bring…

We’re literally in the middle of a mass extinction event and facing our own extinction and belief in this religious horseshit precludes people from caring or believing in man-made disaster.

We’re literally facing our own extinction because these people can’t be fucked to face up to reality instead of playing cult games of “but I’ll have everlasting life after death so who cares what happens to the planet!”

I don’t give one flying fuck what “good” it can do for an individual, it’s going to be the downfall of human fucking civilization.

Whatever “good” it brings is destroyed and overshadowed by the cult like behavior that would worship corrupt figures like Donald Trump and who choose to live in a false reality simply because it is more comforting.

jerkface ,
@jerkface@lemmy.ca avatar

I hate the ignorance that edgy kids have about religion, having exposure only to a very very very narrow sample and extrapolating to infinity. Not every religious practice opposes truth, or oppresses and exploits its practitioners. No more than every political practice does. Religious practice is an expression of our innate humanity. You cannot just get rid of it, any more than you can get rid of any fundamental human need. What is important is finding safe, healthy, ethical and helpful means of expressing it.

vintageballs ,

At what age does one stop being an “edgy kid” in your eyes?

jerkface , (edited )
@jerkface@lemmy.ca avatar

50% grow out of it by mid thirties.

The Internet atheism movement of the late 90s was extremely liberating and enlightening to many people. But, it has gradually become hateful and I think it has long since run out its useful lifetime. We can’t just stop there, we need to collectively develop a more informed, nuanced and compassionate view. Today’s threat isn’t baptist fundamentalism, it’s fucking fascism. You can’t hate yourself out of that, you only sink deeper.

beetlejuice0001 , (edited )

Serious question, do you still believe in the Easter bunny and Santa Claus?

Edit: these examples are heavily promoted as Christian

jerkface ,
@jerkface@lemmy.ca avatar

“Serious question,” asks ridiculous question. You don’t need me here for the rest of this conversation, say what you are going to say. As long as you are not about to extrapolate from some abusive sect of Christianity that you are familiar with to the entire concept of religion generally. You know, like I just said.

beetlejuice0001 ,

We can’t just stop there, we need to collectively develop a more informed, nuanced and compassionate view

Like supporting trans, gay or poc rights or free food for children gun rights

jerkface ,
@jerkface@lemmy.ca avatar

Is it your poorly stated, smug, so-ironic-no-one-knows-what-you-are-talking-about point that all religions promote oppression based on sexuality and gender, of the poor, and of children? Because that sounds an awful lot like American conservatism, not religion. But since you won’t come right out and state your points clearly in a way that can be directly refuted, how about you just fuck off.

beetlejuice0001 ,

Shove your religion up your ass

jerkface ,
@jerkface@lemmy.ca avatar

WHAT religion? I was one of those edgy young mid 90s atheists.

Look, I’m sorry. I can see that you have trauma. But please don’t take it out on other people.

beetlejuice0001 ,

Shit in one hand and pray in the other stupid motherfucker

jerkface ,
@jerkface@lemmy.ca avatar

You are being hateful towards religion. That is very different than rationally opposing religious oppression and persecution, which obviously is a thing that does exist and needs to be opposed, but which does not define religion. You can’t make things better with hate. Figure your shit out.

Seleni ,

My uncle is a pastor. So when his kid came out as trans, he and his wife did the ‘good moral Christian’ thing and shamed her and harassed her until she committed suicide.

Then deadnamed her at the funeral, and wrote and published a book about how ‘his betrayal’ and ‘his unfortunate death’ were just tests from God to test their faith.

This is not a rare or unique story; many people all over the world have stories like this. Is it any wonder those who pay attention find religion distasteful? It may be a part of humanity, but many unpleasant things are, and there is nothing ‘edgy’ about rejecting them.

Yes, there are ‘good’ churches in my town that feed and clothe the poor; a far cry from my uncle’s church. But they are part of the same religion, and the fact that religion accepts both, morals be damned, means I have no interest in it.

TheGalacticVoid ,

Their point is that there’s more than 1 widely-practiced religion, and there are plenty of sects that are tolerant to different forms of self-expression. Saying food is bad because you don’t like bananas isn’t sound logic, and applying that same logic to religion doesn’t work either.

I can’t speak for any Christians, but many of the religious people I know are some of the most tolerant people I know because their religious schools focused on doing things with good intent.

beetlejuice0001 ,

Could you name them for me? Not beliefs, just religions

TheGalacticVoid ,

Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism are some, but Asia has many more religions/ideologies.

beetlejuice0001 , (edited )

Not beliefs, just religions

All of these are philosophy not monotheism

TheGalacticVoid ,

All the examples I provided are religions.

beetlejuice0001 ,

Philosophy is not religion, your answer speaks volumes

TheGalacticVoid ,

Your ignorance is genuinely louder. All of those are religions, and any credible source you find will agree with me.

beetlejuice0001 , (edited )

Tell me, who is god/deity in Buddhism? www.history.com/topics/religion/buddhismOh look no deity www.britannica.com/topic/SikhismNo deity there either en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HinduismAlso No deity

Coming next, But those aren’t real sources

Philosophy versus Religion

Now I’m done wasting time on you.

TheGalacticVoid ,

“…scholars consider Buddhism one of the major world religions.”

“Sikhism, [a] religion and philosophy…”

“Hinduism (/ˈhɪnduˌɪzəm/)[1][2] is an Indian religion or dharma…”

Your own sources say that all 3 are religions.

beetlejuice0001 ,

They say they are philosophies, answer the question. Who is their deity ? A spiritual god? Or a physical person?

denshirenji ,
@denshirenji@lemmy.world avatar

Sikhism is a staunchly monotheistic religion.

beetlejuice0001 , (edited )

(Wiki says otherwise, though they do conflate religion with philosophy)[Sikhism (/ˈsɪkɪzəm/ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Pronunciation_respelling_key), also known as Sikhi (Punjabi: ਸਿੱਖੀ Sikkhī, [ˈsɪk.kʰiː] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/transcoded/8/84/Sikkhi.ogg/Sikkhi.ogg.mp3https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sikkhi.ogg, from Punjabi: ਸਿੱਖ, romanized: Sikh, lit. ‘disciple’), is a monotheistic Indian religion and philosophy]

denshirenji ,
@denshirenji@lemmy.world avatar

Bruh… That quoted text says that it is a monotheistic religion. Please just learn the thing and don’t die on the hill. They have a holy book (the guru granth sahib ji), together with a wider collection of religious and philosophical works (the bani). They have rituals and the like. Things like the 5 Ks. They believe in a singular deity (Ik Onkar) who is, according to Sikhism, the same deity that the Muslims call Allah. Onkar is the Punjabi symbol for Aum (A very important Hindu concept). The gurus (their leaders), are supposed to be god. The idea is that they are a reflection of God, likening God to the ocean and the gurus to a bucket that is filled by the ocean. Their holy book is the last and final guru and simultaneously god and leader/teacher.

Point of the above is I know what I am talking about. All of those are definitely religions with a belief in deities and afterlifes and holy books and miracles, etc…

corsicanguppy ,

What is your general attitude towards those who believe in religion whether they are jewish, Muslim, Christian etc etc.

It’s totally okay, just like when my nephew talks about dinosaurs.

LarkinDePark ,

What is your general attitude towards those

I pity them.

Do you get on well with any religious friends and neighbours?

Yes.

Have you ever thought of believing in a religion at some point?

I was quite religious in my youth.

If you do not like the faiths, why?

I believe that they limit human growth and enable the “evil” that they pretend to protest.

I remember the huge fad of atheism that struck a few years back and led to the psychological liberation of a huge number or subjugated people. It was an inevitable eventuality of the rise of internet usage. It seemed to be mainly impacting Americans, but mass outbreaks of enlightenment also struck other western nations such as Ireland (where I’m from), freeing people from a society dominated by patriarchal oppressive and highly abusive social regimes.

Of course there was then a backlash to the backlash and now forces of liberation are ridiculed on the western internet. Liberalism has held sway and the institutions of oppression still maintain power, particularly in the USA. This continues to enable massive human suffering, for example with America’s latest genocide, enabled in part by apocalyptic Christian death cults.

I’m not very familiar with the details but I understand that the Christians are in cahoots with the Zionists in destroying some Muslim place of worship to bring about the end times. And there’s some cows mentioned in a thousands of years old book that need to have the right colour coat and stuff.

But of course, as usual, they’re not true Scotsmen religious people… etc…

tl;dr Religion is a net negative influence in the world. Trying to suppress it is counterproductive and will never work, meanwhile it’s going to kill us all.

DaedalousIlios ,
@DaedalousIlios@pawb.social avatar

I’m a Pluralistic individual. I believe everyone has a reason to believe. But I think the way someone believes is very telling about that person’s personal values.

Ergo, I don’t care what a person’s religious beliefs are, I care what that person’s values are. I believe that is a much more honest approach that doesn’t needlessly alienate anyone or stoke petty, tribalistic behavior.

inconspicuouscolon ,
@inconspicuouscolon@lemy.lol avatar

I don’t hold belief against people so long as they act appropriately toward others.

I have some positive and negative opinions toward particular religions based on their foundations and practices.

I kinda long for a sense of spiritual community, but I can’t make myself have faith in something I don’t believe, no matter how nice it seems. So that kinda sucks

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