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intensely_human ,

Yes. It definitely doesn’t work well in Chicago but it does in Denver. Different places have different driving cultures. Different stress cultures.

SwingingTheLamp ,

Yes and no. Some people think that the zipper merge would improve traffic flow, and eliminate backup at a merge point. I say that it’s not failure to zipper-merge that causes backups, but it’s backups the provide the conditions in which people fail to zipper-merge.

We can divide traffic at a 2-lane-to-1-lane merge into three conditions: Traffic volume that 1 lane can handle; traffic volume that’s too much for 1 lane, but 2 lanes can handle; and traffic volume that’s too much for 2 lanes. Obviously, too much traffic for 2 lanes, in 2 lanes, is already a traffic jam, and a zipper merge cannot fix it. Traffic volume appropriate for 1 lane, but that’s spread out over 2 lanes can easily coalesce into 1 lane. The zipper merge is good and appropriate in this scenario, and this is where I’ve seen it work the way some people think it should. But that’s not zipper-merge magic. Merging early works, too, because a volume of traffic that fits in 1 lane, well, fits in 1 lane.

It’s the scenario in which there’s traffic that fits in 2 lanes has to merge into 1 lane that’s the problem. Just like how you can’t fit a water buffalo in your carry-on bag, no matter what clever packing technique you employ, there are just too many cars for 1 lane, and there’s going to be a backup. It’s only after there’s a backup that the conflict between the merge-early and zipper-merge people arises, so picking one or the other can’t change the basic fact of the traffic backup. At best, the zipper merge reduces the spatial length of the queue of cars waiting to merge, but does not improve the throughput of vehicles at the merge point.

teawrecks ,

I’d say it’s pretty typical where I live in the US. Yeah, there’s always a couple of assholes, but most people stick to it.

rab ,
@rab@lemmy.ca avatar

In Canada it seems to depend on the city. Calgary is good at zipper merging, Victoria doesn’t seem to know what it is.

init ,
@init@lemmy.ml avatar

Same. I’ve found Minneapolis to be fairly good too, but I only visit occasionally for work.

MxRemy ,

Where I live it’s easily 50/50, nobody wants to wait their turn. You can tell who’s gonna be problem too because they always have fancy rich people cars.

OceanSoap ,

Yes, I see it happen successfully every day on my way home from work.

corsicanguppy ,

Never. It’s fundamentally flawed.

PowerCrazy ,

Yes zipper merging happens, but ultimately in any kind of traffic flow situation it only takes one person to fuck it up. Instead of being reactionary and blaming “bad drivers,” try to take a step back and realize that a transportation system that relies on millions of individual actors, having perfect information and behaving rationally is hopelessly flawed, regardless of the nationality of the drivers.

AngryishHumanoid ,

I’ve gotten into some very amusing fights online about the difference between merge and yield, some people are just assholes when it comes to driving and refuse to accept they might be doing something wrong.

Gabadabs ,
@Gabadabs@kbin.social avatar

I feel like it's hit-or-miss. A lot of people will zipper merge, but a lot of other people don't care and mess things up.

Talaraine ,
@Talaraine@kbin.social avatar

Honestly this is one of the few things that have improved in driving over the years. There's still the occasional douchecanoe who rides in between both lanes to keep anyone from getting by, but that is now the exception as far as I've seen.

joshfee ,

When 99% of traffic has already formed a single lane then the guy trying to go past a bunch of people and cause an extra unnecessary merge is the asshole and I'm not letting him by.

Corkyskog ,

That used to be my old daily commute. Everyone had already “zipped up” were now in a bumper to bumper column, yet people just fly down the right and then cutoff the whole column to get in. Delaying everyone. Anytime I bring up this “problem” I am told it’s actually not a problem, it’s the way it’s supposed to work, and apparently I am the asshole for complaining about 2 dozen people cutting me off every morning, before I can move past one choke point.

pelespirit OP ,
@pelespirit@sh.itjust.works avatar

I might be wrong about this, but I think you’re supposed to wait until the last minute to zipper merge. That way, everyone gets the benefit of it.

Talaraine ,
@Talaraine@kbin.social avatar

This is correct.

Corkyskog ,

Idk about any of it. All I know is after they redid the highway and made those two lanes merge at that point, there is now a 10-15 minute backup, when previously traffic in that area was hit or miss. If there is actual traffic it can take almost 30 minutes to go through that one point.

And the trucks are so darn fed up with it that they just block off the end of the lane end now, as they can get caught cutoff by cars for seemingly endless time, they become sitting ducks.

willya ,
@willya@lemmyf.uk avatar

Not where I am. There’s a huge gap between 90mphers and 45mphers. An absurd amount of people don’t even understand entering a highway at highway speed or exiting one as well as long as the exit ramp is long enough.

Bishma ,
@Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

I’ve never seen a zipper merge work in high traffic, but I have seen “right lane ends” work more-or-less fine. Same effect, but people on the right lane drivers are a bit more likely to yield which makes people in the left lane slightly more likely to make room.

We’re often not a smart species.

Uvine_Umbra ,

In Georgia? 75% chance it works

In Florida? 0% chance of yes

ares35 ,
@ares35@kbin.social avatar

florida man: looks down. pulls. "yup. it's merged."

LadyLikesSpiders ,

Floridian here confirming that 0%

BiggestBulb ,
@BiggestBulb@kbin.run avatar

In Atlanta it's like a -55% chance it works

nokturne213 ,

I think it is the law in PA, but it is at the very least, posted to use both lanes to merge point and then alternate. It worked well in my experience. It was quite a shock when i moved to Maryland and merging was so lawless.

ISometimesAdmin ,
@ISometimesAdmin@the.coolest.zone avatar

As a Bay area native, I've never encountered worse drivers than the entire state of Maryland.

nokturne213 ,

Bumper to bumper traffic moving at 80+ mph on the Baltimore beltway is something else.

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