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pathief ,
@pathief@lemmy.world avatar

No 5G is a deal breaker for me.

Rubanski ,

You just get two COVID vaccinations instead, should kind of work the same

mqvisionary ,

Like other phones, this most likely won’t have open source firmware.

Sir_Simon_Spamalot ,

What are you talking about? It’s using e/OS

kvothelu ,

i really don’t care about degoogling trusting some random ass company and their VPN.

renohren ,

It’s an e/ OS spin-off. Quite a trustable project.

Lime66 ,

E/os is not that trustable, they have no verified boot or relockable bootloader, and integrated signature spoofing

sim642 ,

Only mic and camera? It should also turn off GPS, accelerometer, etc. Filming the inside of my pocket isn’t the biggest tracking concern. People are just afraid someone’s watching them masturbate all the time.

Mr_Dr_Oink ,

The article states that there is second switch to diaable wifi, data, gps etc that is essentially an airplane mode.

ilovesatan ,
@ilovesatan@lemmy.world avatar

That’s only a soft switch. A compromised device could turn them back on.

macaroni1556 ,

Yeah a hard switch that switches in a dummy load instead of the antennas would be excellent

But it could hit battery life without also turning off the radios

ReginaPhalange ,

Isn’t GPS just 3 sattelites passively shouting their clock to any who could listen? There’s no GPS kill switch because there’s nothing transmitted. WIFI kill switch is more understandable.

ReluctantMuskrat ,

Your point is solid. But GPS position requires a signal from at least 3 satellites to work. There are a whole lot more than 3 in the sky.

sim642 ,

Privacy isn’t just about your device not emitting signals… If you don’t want your device and apps to track your location, you also don’t want to receive those GPS signals.

olafurp ,

I really like having the mic off so Google doesn’t try to sell me something I mentioned a private conversation

Darken , (edited )
@Darken@reddthat.com avatar

For anyone wondering how to get the same feature on your device (not only mic-camera)

  • Go to developer settings (after enabling it)
  • Quick settings developer tiles
  • (enable) sensors off
  • Open your quick settings
  • (for Samsung) you will find the tile in the 1st row 1st position
  • (for aosp) you may need to add the sensors tile
  • now turn this tile on
  • now your camera, mic, gyroscope, etc… are off and apps will think that there’s an error with the camera or some privacy policy rule being applied

⚪ Note: this does not turn off GPS, Bluetooth, wifi, or mobile networks

EDIT: forgot to mention (as comments said)

🔴 Warning: core system services can override this setting…

a phone call will have the mic working while app calls (Whatsapp…etc) will be muted

Oszilloraptor ,

To further expand at least for samsung:

  • the mic will be re-enabled for regular phone calls
  • the mic won’t be re-enabled for other calls, e.g. WhatsApp, Telegram, Whatsoever
miss_brainfart ,
@miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml avatar

Core system services will still override that setting, just something to keep in mind

random65837 ,

Not on a degoogled phone they dont.

Critical_Insight ,

There’s no better kill switch than the ability to remove battery

random65837 ,

Some would argue that phones dont work without power.

Critical_Insight ,

Exactly.

Diplomjodler ,

That kind of defeats the purpose, though.

Critical_Insight ,

Having your mic and camera disabled, but being connected to the internet kind of defeats the purpose aswell. It’s better than nothing, but even with a device like that, powering it off doesn’t gurantee that no one is tracking it. Taking off the battery does.

random65837 ,

Not if youre being accurate about it

Retrograde ,
@Retrograde@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t believe you. Tim Cook told me so.

random65837 ,

Except those still have power

rmuk ,

Fairphone 5. Just got mine. Love it. I’m now waiting for the /e/ or, at least Lineage image to be released for it.

Critical_Insight ,

I went with the Galaxy XCover 6 Pro instead because it comes with a headphone jack. It also has a software switch to disable microphones, but I wouldn’t put too much faith on that.

Onii-Chan ,
@Onii-Chan@kbin.social avatar

I'd still prefer a Pixel running GrapheneOS with aggressively-restrictive permissions.

ilovesatan ,
@ilovesatan@lemmy.world avatar

I’d also like the ability to use sandboxed Google services.

Psythik ,

Does it have a hardware switch to prevent apps from taking screenshots? I hate so much that they can do it at any time without you ever knowing.

Flax_vert ,

That’s a software problem

Psythik ,

I was being snarky

HidingCat ,

For privacy-minded people, hardware switches are a nice thing. I remember when I had a Xiaomi Mi 9T with its popup camera, and it was interesting to see that some websites would trigger said popup camera. While the camera was never actually used, the thing would go up and down. This was even with an ad blocker installed.

PoisonedPrisonPanda ,

I have a Mi 9 t pro. Never experienced anything like that.

While I do have hardened my settings, debloat with adb etc. privacy whise and use the EU MIUI rom.

Do you rememher said websites?

HidingCat ,

Man, it has been a while, as I don't use the 9T as the daily phone now. I think I recall The Verge as one of the sites, because I wasn't expecting it from them. It happened only a few times, and it wasn't site-wide. Can't remember which pages triggered it though.

msage ,

My friend had one, and Instagram would often pop it out and back in quickly. That was way back when though.

rostby ,

I heard speakers could be used as microphones

Takumidesh ,

Speakers are microphones, they are the same thing(basically), one uses current to move a diaphragm to create pressure and the other uses pressure to move the diaphragm to create a current.

elouboub ,
@elouboub@kbin.social avatar

No audio jack --> nope.

random65837 ,

Welcome to 2023, the 99% doesnt want them as cool as dangling cords are an all…

elouboub ,
@elouboub@kbin.social avatar

It's now a fashion statement to have cordless white blobs in your ears. So cool.

random65837 ,

Maybe, but for those who dont like looking like retards, thiers litterally every other earbud in existance.

elouboub ,
@elouboub@kbin.social avatar

You sound like somebody who doesn't talk to people with green bubbles on iMessage.

random65837 ,

Incorrect

elouboub ,
@elouboub@kbin.social avatar

It's what you sound like

propaganja ,

Your mistake is in thinking that representation in the media/web sphere = representation in the population. White I don’t know the numbers, I reckon that the percentage of the population that doesn’t want a headphone is less than half—possibly much less.

underwire212 ,

Where can I get more information? Is the software open sourced? Has it been independently audited?

Pantherina ,

Its /e/OS, a softfork of LineageOS, mostly superficial. Only GrapheneOS is extremely secure, although to be fair really degoogled LineageOS will probably be very nice too

miss_brainfart ,
@miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml avatar

really degoogled LineageOS

Also called DivestOS

random65837 ,

although to be fair really degoogled LineageOS will probably be very nice too

Not by any technical standard. Unlocked bootloaders, security regressions, and user debug versions that are never deemed stable isnt really “nice”.

oshitwaddup ,

Better off with a used pixel and grapheneos

Pantherina ,

Poorly yes. Even though

  • no headphone jack
  • super expensive
  • damn huge
  • no SD card slot
  • no hardware switches
  • repairable? Idk
oshitwaddup ,
  • yeah no headphone jack is a bummer
  • a used pixel is cheaper than than
  • my pixel 5 seems pretty small, but idk what they are now or what that is so you’re probably right
  • even bigger bummer than no headphone jack imo
  • I don’t think those are that important, a piece of tape over the camera is fine imo
  • you’re probably right there too, I wish fairphone could run grapheneos 😞
Pantherina ,

Fairphones have no secure element. The devs may be annoying, but what they dont do for a second is waste time.

Hmm, camera maybe but tape? Also microphone is not that easy. GPS, phone antennas and internet antennas are also way shadier

oshitwaddup ,

I wasn’t meaning to fault the grapheneos devs, like you said it’s fairphones fault for not making it possible 😞

limerod ,

Fairphone uses the latest snapdragon. Unless qualcomm messed up, their processors do support and have supported secure element for a while. What you probably meant was a dedicated secure element chip. That’s present on tensor but not on most other smartphones.

renohren ,

Fairphone uses Qualcomm snapdragon chips but they don’t use chips made for mobile phones, it’s chips for industrial use they buy, so the secure element might be missing. The reason is: they are supported for way longer which allows fairphone such long update periods. The shortlist of other phonemakers who can do the same are the ones who design their own chips: Google, Samsung, Apple.

Pantherina ,

Really interesting!

renohren ,

Here is the product page of the chip in Fairphone’s 5th phone:

www.qualcomm.com/products/…/qcm6490#Overview

limerod ,

Qualcomm does list this chip for enterprise grade use and updates for multiple years to come on android. The block diagram has a box labelled security. If the chip was as insecure as people claim, it couldn’t be used for biometrics much, if at all.

krolden ,

How is a security element wasting time?

Pantherina ,

Huh? GrapheneOS is not wasting time with features or supporting phones that are not secure to their standards (meaning basically impossible to hardware-crack, which is NOT everyones requirement)

aprnu ,

I wish fairphone could run grapheneos

They get this request a lot, see this: github.com/GrapheneOS/os-issue-tracker/…/1961

and this.

oshitwaddup ,

Yep, my point was shaking my fist at fairphone, not the grapheneos devs

iturnedintoanewt ,
@iturnedintoanewt@lemm.ee avatar

Add very shitty on-screen-fingerprint reader to that list…

krolden ,

Yeah I really dont want to upgrade my pixel 5 for a 6 for many reasons but that is a big one

krolden ,

Pixels are some of the cheapest phones

Pantherina ,

Not in my experience? A new Pixel 8 costs like 800€, thats like 600€ more than I would consider appropriate for a phone. All these prices are made up

krolden ,

Pixel 8 has full support from google until 2030. Know of any current phones going for under 800 bucks with anywhere near that support lifetime?

Also, the pixel 7a is supported until 2026 and is $500. Both prices are quite reasonable for a computing device you’re going to carry around for at least the next three years.

Pantherina ,

In this case a Pixel 8 is the only real option poorly. How can a phone just last 3 years from now on? Thats crazy…

royal_starfish ,

Pretty sure he meant cheapest used

A p7p used goes for around US$400 here

peter ,
@peter@feddit.uk avatar

Interested in the built in VPN. Is that going to a monthly cost? If not, how are they funding it?

TaintPuncher ,

By stealing and selling your private data, the cycle continues!

CameronDev ,

Or, its this: theguardian.com/…/anom-encrypted-app-fbi-afp-aust…

Worked well the first time, why not try again :D

otter ,

Yea that’s the first thing that came to mind when I read that headline

thefartographer ,

They can take my nunchucks and they can take my Adderall… But they’ll never take my

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