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elias_griffin , to technology in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back
@elias_griffin@lemmy.world avatar

OH, it was been a long time coming seeing this type of headline again, it’s…glorius!

Microsoft is most years a #1 and sometimes a #2 Funder of: Rust, Python, and Linux. Are those destined for an E^3 “rug pull” too? Will it ever stop this kind of behavior, consistently conforming our behavior to itself with the money and industry position it leverages?

Don’t forget in calculating that industry position that OpenAI is now able to contract to the DoD for offensive capability.

kilgore_trout ,

Linux is not dependent on money, they have no influence over it.

Warl0k3 ,

While the influence is much smaller than with windows or apple, it’s still there. Linux is hardened against capitalism, but if we start believing that it has no influence we set ourselves up for Debian Pro+ in the future. Just because it’s good now doesn’t mean it capitalism can’t shit all over it faster than we believe possible…

NutWrench ,
@NutWrench@lemmy.world avatar

This. “Embrace. Extend. Extinguish.” has been Microsoft’s mantra for a long time, now. Folks need to recognize the signs that their favorite things are being targeted before they get ruined.

bluewing ,

Oh you sweet innocent. Major distros like Ubuntu and RedHat already are peddling open source AI for their enterprise customers.

Debian Pro+ is here and has been for a while…

kilgore_trout ,

But Debian still stands, and is not going anywhere.

bluewing ,

So does Slack. But while they are 2 of the foundational distros, neither is the first go to choice of the average user. Neither distro caters to the mainstream user. If you are choosing either of those two distros, you are definitely old school and/or are looking for a solution to problem that is perhaps more of an edge case.

Sam_Bass , to technology in Microsoft addresses Windows Recall backlash, promises to fix security issues and make it opt-in

Rather than not install it to begin with. Leeches

bokherif , to technology in Microsoft addresses Windows Recall backlash, promises to fix security issues and make it opt-in

It feels like these huge ass companies are just testing people’s reactions before they do something these days.

ysjet , to technology in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back

Man, there is a LOT of people in this thread hoping to normalize this, or pretend it will happen anyway, or that it’s ‘not really a PR disaster’, or that people will ignore it, or-

Go make your money elsewhere, christ.

archchan , to technology in Microsoft addresses Windows Recall backlash, promises to fix security issues and make it opt-in

Pretty sure they already said it would be opt-in. This is just planned damage control. The fools have already shown their hand. Again.

drivepiler ,

I heard it was opt-out originally, but I haven’t looked into it tbh

Starkstruck , to technology in Microsoft addresses Windows Recall backlash, promises to fix security issues and make it opt-in

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  • hamid ,

    So yeah, I do have memory problems and I’m being over loaded at my job that requires precision and accuracy, this would really help me, I don’t trust Microsoft to do it right but seriously fuck your attitude, yeah some people need help.

    SpaceCowboy , to technology in Microsoft addresses Windows Recall backlash, promises to fix security issues and make it opt-in
    @SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

    Oh… Microsoft, Microsoft, Microsoft.

    A friend of mine tried one of their “special offers” he nearly got himself lobotomized!

    n0m4n , to technology in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back

    As much as I liked Visual Studio, its privacy intrusiveness was my final straw.

    JigglySackles , to technology in Microsoft addresses Windows Recall backlash, promises to fix security issues and make it opt-in

    Too little too late, I’m not getting any more versions of windows.

    JasonDJ , to technology in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back

    You know what would be a nice thing to put into windows?

    A fucking decent way to search for files.

    Also, grep and tail, as implemented in Linux. It’s 2024 and there’s no native equivalent to tail -f *.log. How embarrassing.

    Tamo240 ,
    
    <span style="color:#323232;">Get-Content <path> -wait
    </span>
    

    Or do you mean in cmd not powershell?

    JasonDJ ,

    IME this doesn’t work for multiple files. Not nearly as well as tail -f *.

    Plenty of times I’m troubleshooting something without knowing which log file I should pay attention to. So watching everything happen in realtime with the error helps, a ton.

    explodicle ,

    Windows Search used to be awesome, and then they decided to over-complicate it.

    grrgyle ,

    I distinctly remember that once it has indexed everything, it was pretty fast, yeah. Back in the 00s anyway

    letsgo ,

    I doubt the majority of MS users need to tail a log file. And of those of us that do, how many don’t know that Notepad++ does it?

    e8d79 ,

    File search is really awful on windows for no reason at all. Your complaints about commandline utilities is not accurate though. Windows has native powershell equivalents to both grepand tail. You use https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/powershell/module/microsoft.powershell.utility/select-string?view=powershell-7.4 instead of grep and https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/powershell/module/microsoft.powershell.management/get-content?view=powershell-7.4#-wait instead of tail.

    JasonDJ ,

    IME Get-Content doesn’t work for multiple files. Unless maybe I put it in a foreach loop or something. But that’s way more keystrokes then tail -f *

    e8d79 ,

    Nobody ever accused powershell of being concise. Its uses a completely different philosophy, object oriented rather than string based. This makes powershell nicer to write scripts in but also makes it worse at bash style one-liner commands.

    snailfact ,

    get listary it’s freemium (i use free version forever and it works fine) you can search by double tapping control and it instantly gives you the files you search for

    joe_cool ,

    Get everything: www.voidtools.com (the alpha version can also index the content of files). It’s search is instant. As in < 1 second for any file on any of your harddisks (even ones not connected right now).

    For base linux cmdline tools I just install Git for Windows it includes tail, sed, grep, tee, iconv, less, scp and tons more. I need git anyways so win-win.

    elucubra ,

    I do small business support. Everytime I do a windows install I do a ninite install of a bunch of things. Everything is always in the set. The fucntionality should have been in windows since NTFS was introduced

    joe_cool ,

    Yeah, even XP had Rover, the search dog.

    Ninite and Chocolatey helps a bit. But then you get to the point where there is no automation for a start menu entry for some packages. It’s a bit of a mess.

    A colleague installed Python from the MS Store on Windows 11 it messed up all python software, PyCharm, the other python versions and some file associations. Quite a mess.

    oo1 ,
    MacNCheezus ,
    @MacNCheezus@lemmy.today avatar

    Have you heard of WSL?

    grrgyle ,

    As someone who does product dev support, unfortunately I have.

    retrospectology , (edited )
    @retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

    You can do a commandline “dir /s *.log” to search an entire directory it works better than the normal file search generally. Unless I misunderstand what you’re asking.

    grrgyle ,

    -f follows the file so you can see updates as they come in to the bottom of the file. I wasn’t aware this worked with globs, but that’s neat.

    Is that what /s does? I haven’t used Windows in years.

    retrospectology ,
    @retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

    Oh, perhaps not. I may’ve just understood how you’re using the search. /s is just a straight search if the directory, I don’t know that it can be used to generate dynamic results like that. Go figure.

    VirtualOdour ,

    Isn’t that one of the things this does? It was in the advert wasn’t it?

    EmperorHenry , to technology in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back
    @EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    you can use O&O shutup10++ to disable recall now

    JustARegularNerd ,

    The fact that we need a third party program to make our computer respect our privacy should say it all for Windows.

    EmperorHenry ,
    @EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    You still need to configure things in every linux distro to make it work. And apple doesn’t allow you to configure anything that matters at all

    jaschen , to technology in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back

    Um… I actually want this feature. Maybe if its FOSS and I own the data. But the idea is amazing.

    piecat ,

    It’s like some of the Pokemon games where it tells you what you did. Seriously amazing, but yeah needs to be FOSS and secure.

    jaschen ,

    Then be able to query it. That would be amazing.

    palordrolap ,

    Borrowing from something I saw elsewhere: Set up a task / cron job / whatever it is on your OS that takes a full screenshot every minute and then sends it to Microsoft's AI team.

    Or save it to a drive or something, I'm not the boss here. And neither is Microsoft.

    BigDiction ,

    What would you use this feature for?

    jaschen ,

    It takes images of your screen and stores it with context and then you can query it. Images, text, graphs, etc.

    “Hey, I was working on an automation for my home assistant and it stopped working. I had an automation that worked about 6 months ago. Can you pull that automation up and show me”

    “My boss showed me a slide about a month ago talking about the TPS report, can you pull that up and show me that slide deck?”

    The use case is endless.

    Hadriscus ,

    Screencap and screencapture programs have existed forever, just use any, it’s not a new idea

    jaschen ,

    I think you misunderstand what Recall actually does. It takes images of your screen and then you can query it. Images, text, graphs, etc.

    “Hey, I was working on an automation for my home assistant and it stopped working. I had an automation that worked about 6 months ago. Can you pull that automation up and show me”

    “My boss showed me a slide about a month ago talking about the TPS report, can you pull that up and show me that slide deck?”

    The use case is endless.

    Hadriscus ,

    Oh my… Ok right I didn’t realize the extent of it. It’s a total nightmare

    jaschen ,

    Well, supposedly the data is stored locally. Like I said. It’s a good idea. I wouldn’t mind a FOSS version.

    werefreeatlast , to technology in Microsoft addresses Windows Recall backlash, promises to fix security issues and make it opt-in

    So it will use AI to auto detect penises to prevent embarrassing video recordings.

    FilthyCheese ,

    Time to get a wiggly, wobbly dick cursors.

    MidnightBanjo , to technology in Microsoft addresses Windows Recall backlash, promises to fix security issues and make it opt-in

    I feel like not wanting to do the work for certain Steam games is what keeps me on windows for my personal use (work makes the decision on my work machine).

    I know it’s possible, I just don’t want to do the work

    toynbee ,

    No judgement for your choices, but just so you know, it’s basically no work for the majority of games.

    univers3man ,

    With the exception of any major games that have anti-cheat. I miss League of Legends.

    toynbee ,

    Yeah, anti-cheat and the Ubisoft launcher have been the only consistent obstacles. protondb.com is a fantastic resource, though.

    I’m not a fan of LoL, so I can’t say from personal experience, but it looks like PlayOnLinux claims to support it. Hope you find your joy!

    drislands ,

    I wouldn’t say “any” major games. Helldivers 2 is a notable exception.

    toynbee ,

    I’ve played Helldivers 2 with no obstacles and no additional setup.

    drislands ,

    That’s what I’m saying. It has anticheat, and it runs on Linux without issue.

    toynbee ,

    Ah, I apologize. I definitely was not fully awake when I read your original comment.

    drislands ,

    No worries, I may have just been unclear considering multiple people appear to have downvoted my comment.

    MidnightBanjo ,

    Good to know. I know wine can get steam going (assuming you don’t just use the Linux version). How do you get steam to download and install the game if it says it’s the wrong operating system? Sorry if that’s a dumb question

    toynbee ,

    Your question isn’t dumb. You just haven’t been exposed to the environment. Please feel free to ask any question about this you have and, if I don’t answer, someone else probably will.

    If you install the Linux version of Steam, it should allow you to download any game. There’s a checkbox in the Steam settings that says something like “run non compatible games through proton” (not what it says, but the general sentiment). Checking that and restarting Steam once is the extent of the setup required; after that, it’s essentially the same process as running a game in Windows (with the few exceptions mentioned by another commenter). Non Steam games should be able to be run by Lutris, PlayOnLinux or adding a non Steam game to Steam, but I mostly haven’t done that myself so I can’t vouch for it. Sincerely, for most games, it’s an easy process.

    I’m no expert, but if you decide to pursue this and get stuck, please feel free to reach out to me and I’ll do my best to help. The link below seems like a good starting point: geekflare.com/install-steam-on-linux/

    MidnightBanjo ,

    Thanks, I appreciate the advice and kind attitude. I’ll check it out

    sfxrlz ,

    How is it for racing sims ? Last time I checked it didn’t look too good in terms of wheel drivers and games running ootb on Linux, or did I just not look in the right places?

    toynbee , (edited )

    I’m sorry, as much as I’d love to, I don’t have an answer to this.

    edit: corrected a word.

    sfxrlz ,

    No worries, I had already given up on it for now I was just curious if someone could convince me to fully switch, or rather point me towards some open source projects I could use. Right now I boot into win11 for gaming and into fedora for everything else. Thanks anyway!

    patatahooligan ,
    @patatahooligan@lemmy.world avatar

    Go to protondb.com and search for the games you’re interested in. If your profile is public, I think you can import your entire library and browse through it instead of manually searching for each individual game. Ideally you want “platinum” compatibility but I’ve personally never had problems with “gold” games either.

    Cosmicomical , to technology in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back

    I don’t want to be the guy that always says Linux, but… …Linux

    dumpsterlid ,

    It is okay to be the person that always recommends Linux, especially if you are a kind person with the patience to explain things to people in approachable terms (and you don’t just scream at people SOMEBODY ALREADY ASKED THIS QUESTION USE SEARCH whenever a newbie walks in the door and asks the obvious questions a newbie would ask).

    Now is the time, Linux is pulled up out front waiting to pick us up (with bags packed) and Microsoft is loudly shitting the bed upstairs, NOW is the time to walk straight out the front door, jump in the car with Linux and never look back. We owe it to Microsoft’s long relationship with consumers to leave Microsoft sitting confused on the porcelain throne wondering why they were abandoned and where all the toilet paper is (we are the toilet paper in this metaphor).

    FilthyCheese ,

    Most people aren’t going to bother when the specific software they want to use aren’t supported.

    explodicle ,

    Microsoft has been relying on that for >20 years now and it’s starting to show signs of strain.

    FilthyCheese ,

    I’ve heard this before.

    explodicle ,

    So you don’t think there’s a straw breaking the camel’s back?

    FilthyCheese ,

    I think people are happy to eat shit. They’ll complain about it, sure. But they’ll slurp it up like ice cream.

    Otherwise, MTX heavy games wouldn’t be rewarded so heavily.

    Early on, you’ll see some movement. Some people will transfer to Linux - most will go back. A bunch of outraged threads.

    But it will die down. People will just accept it. They always do. They always will.

    dumpsterlid , (edited )

    But it will die down. People will just accept it. They always do. They always will.

    I understand the frustration and cynicism that comes from wanting something to happen and waiting a good stretch of your life for it to do so but I am sorry, this is not reflective of reality.

    Don’t mistake your own fatigue for the behavior of people in general.

    Support for software on Linux or Wine is now orders of magnitude more complete and functional than it was 5-10 years ago. There are fundamental changes going on, just because we operated in a paradigm that suffocated the possibility of Linux adoption in the past doesn’t mean that paradigm will continue indefinitely.

    There is a difference between being permanently powerless and being powerless under a certain arrangement of forces and actors.

    We are entering a period of the status quo being smashed for better or worse in almost every dimension of our lives, what was likely to happen in the past 20 years does not reliably predict what is likely to happen in the next 20 years.

    There is actually a true opening for Linux here in a way there never has been.

    Cosmicomical ,

    Well they said the same about AI and at some point it became true enough to be a problem

    FilthyCheese ,

    I’m trying to see a correlation.

    Cosmicomical ,

    True but there is less and less stuff that you cannot do properly on linux.

    dumpsterlid ,

    I mean… how big really is the category of software tasks that you can’t properly do on Linux in 2024? I feel like it is getting to the point where you do genuinely have to be specific about what Linux can’t do that is a dealbreaker for you rather than just falling back on “Linux can’t do what people need to do” as a general criticism of it.

    Windows can’t do what people need it to do, and it fails to do so while sucking up your private data (which if you work at a business with confidential information IS a dealbreaker). At least when Linux fails it usually isn’t simultaneously violating the IT security structure of your organization….

    The funny thing is businesses and government entities can’t even claim with a straight face that they can trust Microsoft to adhere to the meager insufficient data privacy laws that do exist when there is zero evidence Microsoft would behave that way based on the track record even if the financial penalties for failing to do so were actually real to the ruling class and not just theoretical thought experiments that involve a slap on the wrist or more like a light tickling with a feather on the nose.

    Cosmicomical ,

    Oh i totally agree with you. I have a feeling that the only real obstacle on the way out from windows is proprietary software, especially adobe and some custom apps for specific hardware.

    Cosmicomical ,

    SOMEBODY ALREADY ASKED THIS QUESTION USE SEARCH

    I don’t understand this approach, if you don’t want to answer, just don’t answer. Why would you waste time writing that you won’t answer?

    Sawzall ,

    I will not answer this. Just search.

    Cosmicomical ,

    I thought you were a search engine.

    piecat ,

    HISTTIMEFORMAT="%d/%m/%y %T "

    Then

    history | grep -i “09/06/2024”

    I_Miss_Daniel ,

    Yeah but there’s like 20 of them, and many are half-baked. How is a n00b to choose one?

    Cosmicomical ,

    Ubuntu is fine for all uses, and so are some of the others

    I_Miss_Daniel ,

    Not sure about that. They try to get you to sign up for services, and they deliberately broke something with installing from certain file types.

    Cosmicomical ,

    It’s still perfectly functional and easy to use, just say no if they ask you to sign up to a service, if you come from windows you’ll ve surprised of how easy it is to dismiss those offers

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