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HurlingDurling , to technology in SpaceX Might Have Lost 200+ Starlink Satellites In Just 2 Months Shows Data

“And this is how we trapped ourselves in our own planet”

FartsWithAnAccent ,
@FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world avatar

Well at least it’s a habitable planet, right?

troglodytis ,

“it’s”, yes.

FartsWithAnAccent ,
@FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world avatar

“it’s” is a contraction of it and is…

troglodytis ,

Or it and was

FleetingTit ,

Has been, until end of last year. Now? Not so much.

The way politics are moving rn I can imagine the big funny happening soon, which could trigger a new ice age though.

Gsus4 , (edited )
@Gsus4@feddit.nl avatar

It’s ok, we were already trapped in our planet. There is no planet B…unless you don’t mind living in high-tech caves :) on Earth they’re called “vaults”.

vaultdweller013 ,

Im fine with it, so long as we all get extra water chips we should be good.

Gerula , to technology in SpaceX Might Have Lost 200+ Starlink Satellites In Just 2 Months Shows Data

So billionaires filling Earth 's orbit with junk …

tills13 ,

luckily LEO junk will be pulled into Earth’s atmosphere without propulsion

DavidGA , to technology in SpaceX Might Have Lost 200+ Starlink Satellites In Just 2 Months Shows Data
@DavidGA@lemmy.world avatar

This is a complete non story. They have a design life of only a few years. They have already been replaced in orbit with upgraded ones.

Total clickbait.

Jax ,

“This is a non story”

Billionaires adding to space junk that will keep us from getting the fuck off this rock is a non story, eh? Tell me more.

PersnickityPenguin ,

What part of “reentry into earths atmosphere” did you have trouble comprehending?

DavidGA ,
@DavidGA@lemmy.world avatar

Sure! I’d be happy to.

The satellites operate in an extremely low orbit. At the end of their life they are manually de-orbited. If they fail, they will naturally de-orbit themselves in just a few years. They contribute to “space junk” in no way.

The precise position of all the Starlink satellites is known, and space is much bigger than you appear to be imagining, so the network will in no way impede lauching rockets.

There is no need to simply make stuff up about Starlink. There are plenty of reasons to hate Elon without inventing things.

ky56 ,

I’d be way more worried about the amount of CO2 being released with so many Falcon 9 launches.

TheBlue22 , to technology in SpaceX Might Have Lost 200+ Starlink Satellites In Just 2 Months Shows Data

Do they deorbit? Or did musk just pollute our orbit for no reason whatsoever?

kmkz_ninja ,

They deorbit very quickly.

TheBlue22 ,

That’s good. Happy to hear that.

figaro ,

And then… just… drop somewhere?

skulkingaround ,

No, they vaporize on reentry.

figaro ,

Ah ok lol, that makes more sense

cricket97 , to technology in SpaceX Might Have Lost 200+ Starlink Satellites In Just 2 Months Shows Data

This place hates Elon Musk so goddamn much they suddenly become experts on satellites. I bet Musk has very little to do with the day to day at Starlink.

vind ,
@vind@lemmy.world avatar

One can hate Musk and Starlinks separately.

They ruin our night sky and make Kessler syndrome worse and worse.

cricket97 ,

The number of satellites in orbit right now should have next to 0 impact on your view of the night sky. This can be proven with some pretty simple equations. Should we get rid of GPS satellites too?

rez_doggie ,
cricket97 ,

what is this supposed to prove. Go outside at night and look, they’re not clogging up the sky. At the very worst they’re a faint little line you can barely see. I think that is worth giving internet to unserved areas of the world.

AA5B ,

These are also mostly irrelevant to Kessler syndrome. At such low orbits, any debris is cleaned out in months or only a couple years

FartsWithAnAccent , to technology in SpaceX Might Have Lost 200+ Starlink Satellites In Just 2 Months Shows Data
@FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world avatar

Sounds like a lot of space debris :(

AA5B ,

One of the benefits of such a low orbit - they deorbit quickly

KairuByte , to technology in SpaceX Might Have Lost 200+ Starlink Satellites In Just 2 Months Shows Data
@KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Okay, so is this actual news, or just reporting on the fact that starlink satellites have a 5 year lifespan by design? Because this reads like the numerous other articles out there that are ignoring the fact that satellites need fuel to stay in low earth orbit, and that fuel eventually runs out.

I dislike musk as much as the next guy, but let’s not pretend this is something it isn’t.

Etienne_Dahu ,

By the way, what happens to these satellites once they reach their planned lifespan and run out of fuel?

Haquer ,

There is sufficient drag in Low Earth Orbit for the crafts to deorbit without station keeping, meaning they burn up in the atmosphere within a few months/years depending on atmospheric conditions.

Etienne_Dahu ,

Thank you for the explanation!

geosoco OP ,

I get your point, but I suspect there's more here than just lifespan. I don't think we know the reason but the article says this:

As a comparison, only 248 satellites had burned up at the start of this year, so the number destroyed during the last two months is higher than the figure for the first seven months of the year.

If 200 over the span of 2 months is "normal" then I have questions about the financial viability of the project.

KairuByte ,
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It kinda depends on what we are considering a starlink satellite. They did launch a batch of satellites that experienced some issues, and some of them did come down. Iirc those were new models that were going up for the first time.

That said, I wouldn’t be too concerned about it. Firstly because we are talking about less than a percentage point of the total, and second because once the bugs are ironed out, a different company that isn’t run by a moron will likely step in to do a better job.

serratur ,

Firstly because we are talking about less than a percentage point of the total

(200 / 5000) * 100 = 4%

KairuByte ,
@KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Ah, fair enough. Not sure why I thought there were more in total. In fact I think there may be less than 5k.

KSPAtlas ,
@KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz avatar

Yeah, if you want to avoid that, you need to go way up into more expensive and less effective orbits

db2 , to technology in SpaceX Might Have Lost 200+ Starlink Satellites In Just 2 Months Shows Data

This is the first time that Starlink has lost a significant number of satellites in a short time period

It’s an Elon debacle, it’s probably been a problem from day one that he’s happily shoveled other people’s money at instead of fixing it or admitting he’s a moron.

cricket97 ,

Musk is a minority stakeholder in Starlink. This place hates Musk so much that they’ll criticize and actual innovative company serving the underserved.

db2 ,

Like the Ukraine? Piss off with your billionaire worship.

cricket97 ,

People all over the world use starlink internet that would be functionally locked out of it other wise. In no way is pointing that out billionaire worship. Use your head

TheMadnessKing , to technology in SpaceX Might Have Lost 200+ Starlink Satellites In Just 2 Months Shows Data

I srsly dont want the internet infra to be controlled by the dick headed person.

I_Miss_Daniel ,
@I_Miss_Daniel@kbin.social avatar

Luckily he's not the majority stakeholder.

TheMadnessKing ,

I’m not touching it even with a 2ft pole. I don’t want every website to be throttled except Twitter.

cricket97 ,

You just don’t know about the other dickheads in charge.

Jagermo , to technology in SpaceX Might Have Lost 200+ Starlink Satellites In Just 2 Months Shows Data

Big Brainy in chief probaly thought the could cut down on latency if they move the orbits closer to the atmosphere and no one cares enough to correct him.

KSPAtlas ,
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This just sounds like regular LEO attrition, these satellites are small and “simple” so they were never going to last long (not trying to defend musk here, starlink is full of issues)

Jagermo ,

Probably. It would be funny, though :)

AFKBRBChocolate , to technology in SpaceX Might Have Lost 200+ Starlink Satellites In Just 2 Months Shows Data

Wow, I didn’t realize they’re already at more than 5000 satellites. Crazy numbers.

ShadowCatEXE , to technology in [Rumor] Apple To Issue New Software Update For iPhone 12 To Bring Its Radiation Down To Acceptable Levels
@ShadowCatEXE@lemmy.world avatar

We will issue a software update for users in France…

So this applies to only devices sold in France? I’d love to know what changes to the software are being made to deal with radiation.

geosoco OP ,

if i had to guess, it's setting power limits on the cell/wifi radio chip.

LazaroFilm ,
@LazaroFilm@lemmy.world avatar

France loosing one network bar.

MrMusAddict ,

The word “radiation” has unfortunately been commandeered by idiots to mean “TOXIC MAGIC AIR”. Lightbulbs radiate (produce light).

In this case they’re 100% just reducing the gain on the phone’s signal strength. No harm prevented. Purely regulatory.

LazaroFilm ,
@LazaroFilm@lemmy.world avatar

A rock thrown in a pond radiates too. You capping your hands, boom radiations.

InvertedParallax ,

So, I happen to know about a huge, unshielded nuclear reactor near a major population center.

There are millions of documented cases of deadly cancer directly caused by its high energy emissions, even kids are often exposed to hazardous levels.

It’s called the sun.

Earthwormjim91 ,

Probably going to throttle it a bit. The only issue is that the power level of the radios in the phone make it a little too warm when you have it to your face.

ultratiem ,
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Yes it’s a special update for that region alone. Apple does this quite often when a country requires special treatment. It rarely makes the news because well it’s not really news.

Probably just dial down the power emitted like some high end routers let you do in settings. It’ll make the cell service weaker but I don’t think Apple cares much for a device they no longer sell or manufacture anymore.

eclardit , (edited ) to technology in [Rumor] Apple To Issue New Software Update For iPhone 12 To Bring Its Radiation Down To Acceptable Levels

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  • Hawk ,

    I do wonder, why would France accept a software patch? The device is still capable of going over the limits and it could easily be reverted later?

    Seems like an odd solution.

    root ,

    Software radios can do many things that are against the rules, the governing bodies only care about how they’re actually being used for the most part.

    Also, the measurements are over time. It’s possible to exceed the total allowed in short bursts.

    ultratiem ,
    @ultratiem@lemmy.ca avatar

    It has the potential but never will thanks to the software update. What’s the struggle here!?

    breadsmasher , to technology in [Rumor] Apple To Issue New Software Update For iPhone 12 To Bring Its Radiation Down To Acceptable Levels
    @breadsmasher@lemmy.world avatar

    const radiationLevel = 4

    /s

    foggy ,

    The funniest part of this is that it’s JavaScript.

    LazaroFilm , (edited )
    @LazaroFilm@lemmy.world avatar
    
    <span style="color:#323232;">#define RADIATIONLEVEL 4
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">int i = 100;
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">void setup() {
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">  ifdef RADIATIONLEVEL
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">    setRadiationLevel(RADIATIONLEVEL);
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">  endif
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">}
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">void loop() {
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">  setBatteryHealth(i);
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">  i =- ;
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">}
    </span>
    
    FooBarrington ,

    Fine!

    let radiationLevel = 4

    ripcord , to technology in [Rumor] Apple To Issue New Software Update For iPhone 12 To Bring Its Radiation Down To Acceptable Levels
    @ripcord@kbin.social avatar

    Soo... France determined that levels were higher than regulations allowed and asked Apple to fix it. And the latest news is that Apple is looking into fixing it.

    What a story!

    otter ,

    Yup

    People said it in the other threads, but this is just boring regulatory processes at work. It’s just a story because popscience type outlets ran with the word radiation

    scarabic ,

    Never underestimate the clickbait potential of the word “radiation.”

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