By itself it is a weird thing to say, like I thought the usual strategy (and apparently the Israelis’) is to publicly assume good behavior so they have something to lose.
You can say this situation is different, but still the only use for that kind of speculation is to emotionally load support for Israel (which is already high), and it may certainly further endanger the hostages, regardless of gender.
No major news organisation has been given the opportunity to verify this footage. As such it should be treated sceptically until verified independently. The IDF have already been caught editing and altering video evidence, as demonstrated by the BBC.
But lets say it is unedited and is verified. What does it show? It shows Hamas operatives taking two injured hostages into a hospital. That’s it. The IDF says "These findings prove that the Hamas terror organization used Shifa Hospital on the day of the massacre itself as terror infrastructure,”
Well, no, it doesn’t. It shows that some Hamas terrorists used the hospital…as a hospital e.g. they took injured hostages into it. Just because terrorists make use of a location’s facilities doesn’t necessarily mean there was an extensive command post in or under the location.
The IDF have yet to demonstrate or provide anything credible to back up their claim the hospital was an extensive command post.
“The latest video is not yet the evidence that’s been promised of the sort of vast and intricate operation depicted in a computer simulation which the IDF previously released showing what it believes any Hamas base underground at al-Shifa could look like.”
And do all those other hospitals offer identical and appropriate services? Because in my local area there are three hospitals, all offering differing types of services, meaning that depending on what I needed treatment for I would have to drive reasonably close to two of them, including emergency care.
This feels like a real stretch - that map you linked to - the straight line goes near (ish) two other hospitals, not five for example. Maybe the hostages didn’t require hospital treatment until they were in that area? Who knows? Your assigning meaning to actions based solely on your desire for it to be true, not on actual evidence.
But OK, lets say you’re right and they ignored all the other hospitals because their goal was that area in particular - how does that equate to that hospital being a major and extensive command post when literally nothing that’s been presented as evidence by the IDF demonstrates that opinion? Surely if it was then there’d be a lot more than a few random terrorists on those stills.
Let me put it another way - if three or four Hamas terrorists took thirsty hostages to a Starbucks, would you see that as definitive proof that that Starbucks is, or is on top of, an extensive Hamas command post?
At some point you’re going to need actual evidence, independently verified. Not just unexplained, unverified crap that could mean anything.
Good grief, do you really not understand that some hospitals offer different types of treatment to others???
Not all hospitals are set up for emergency treatment. Seriously.
But lets (once more) give you the benefit of the doubt and say all those hospitals are the same size and offer the exact treatment that that one does…how does that establish that hospital as a major command centre for Hamas? That’s the IDF’s rationale for attacking that hospital after all.
Look, I am not saying that hospital is a Hamas free zone, that no one form Hamas has ever been in it. I’m not even saying that it isn’t Hamas’ favoured hospital because of it’s location or maybe there are a few Hamas-friendly people on staff there. I mean, there is zero evidence for any of that but it’s a possibility, right? It’s also a possibility that you and the IDF are absolutely correct and it really is a major command centre for Hamas.
What I’m saying to you is that, based on what the IDF have presented as evidence - none of it verified, and that which has been examined revealed to have been altered/edited and all of it completely shorn of any context by which we might be able to make inferences - there’s pretty much nothing to suggest it is/was.
Not all hospitals are set up for emergency treatment. Seriously.
Hospitals in that part of the world aren’t organized by western standards. Besides which I doubt a hamas terrorist is thinking about a hospital’s quality of care, even if they knew it existed in the first place.
What I’m saying to you is that, based on what the IDF have presented as evidence - none of it verified, and that which has been examined revealed to have been altered/edited and all of it completely shorn of any context by which we might be able to make inferences - there’s pretty much nothing to suggest it is/was.
Hospitals in that part of the world aren’t organized by western standards.
I’m not suggesting they are. I’m simply suggesting to you that no two hospitals offer the same level of services, or even the same services.
Besides which I doubt a hamas terrorist is thinking about a hospital’s quality of care, even if they knew it existed in the first place.
I’m pretty sure that, aside from a medical professional, a terrorist is the ideal person to ask about the services a hospital is capable of delivering.
So I shouldn’t believe my lying eyes. I see
Your eyes aren’t what’s lying. You’re lying to yourself if you genuinely believe what the IDF have presented as incontrovertible proof isn’t very severely lacking in just about every respect. They’ve literally been caught doctoring video.
If the sides were reversed here…if a major hospital in Israel was being attacked and disabled by a vastly superior force and everyone in it either killed or forced to move because this force said a terrorist group had a major operational base there and they presented the exact same evidence as the IDF have, would you believe it then?
a major hospital in Israel was being attacked and disabled by a vastly superior force and everyone inal it either killed or forced to move because this force said a terrorist group had a major operational base there and they presented…
But, that’s not what happened. Israel took the hospital without harming anyone. Before that happened, they provided fuel for the hospitals generators which Hamas didn’t let them have. It stopped functioning as a hospital and the WHO shut it down.
If you genuinely believe that then us having this conversation is pointless. The IDF themselves confirmed they’d sent about 100 Commando’s and six tanks to the hospital which several days before had lost power and oxygen leading to multiple deaths. To spell it out to you, you send commandos and tanks to attack and intimidate, not have a pleasant chat.
The fuel thing - I have no idea who to believe at this point. There’s no verified evidence either claim is true or untrue.
I imagine they did, yet no one was hurt in the hospital.
Right, apart from the multiple deaths no one was hurt.
It’s funny. The video of Israelis delivering fuel was even on CNN. Must be my lying eyes again.
Yeah, I saw that too. Funnily enough, as I thought I was clear about, I wasn’t disputing they did. I was disputing why or how it was refused.
Anyway, after that interesting little side mission, lets get back to the point. if a major hospital in Israel was being attacked and disabled by a vastly superior force and everyone in it either killed or forced to move because this force said a terrorist group had a major operational base there and they presented the exact same evidence as the IDF have, would you believe it then?
It’s totally unfair, you know. Western audiences have been long conditioned to treat it as a sign of villainy when a dictatorial regime builds secret tunnels under innocuous civilian facilities to hide their terrorist warmongering and torture operations! Government propanganda sources like “James Bond” and “G.I. Joe” have conditioned Western audiences to believe that only the bad guys do that!
(Good guys build their secret underground facilities in places of astonishing natural beauty far from civilians who might be harmed by unexpected explosions.)
It’s like in Polish - the word “żyd” (jew) has negative connotations, and maybe it becomes rare in usage these days, but the negative meaning sticks. It’s still an offense to call somebody that.
We have more words like this (cygan, rumun) that on its own are official words for etnicity or nationality, but carry some negative meaning. We also have dedicated words to call many different groups in offensive ways.
However languages happen organically and they reflect how people speak, not the other way that there’s some sort of entity that dictates how the entire population should speak (although reformations are possible).
Funny how people try to regulate that by law. We had such case in Polish when few years ago feminists tried to change how we call professions that are typically assigned with men, but some women are also performing them (police officer, firefigter, ministry etc). Some of those forms didn’t make sense completely due to semantics, some were dropped from the language decades ago and sound archaic or unnatural, the lobby lead to memes at the very most.
Fireman and policeman in English are also not offensive because they aren’t referring to gender or sex.
Human - Group
Humans - Collective Individuals
Man - Individual
Men - Collective Individuals (Non-sexed)
Not to be conflated with
Men - Collective (Sex Male)
Women - Collective (Sex Female) Wo - Female, men - collective individuals (non-sexed).
Keep in mind these are all traditional definitions and were constructed before sex and gender were determined to be separate and before intersex was a classification.
We now often conflate those in common English with human and man and person being interchangeable. As man (individual) with man (sex). And many others conflate sex and gender.
The arguments for removing gender from professions is based on the misapprehension that the professions were ever related to gender and as a result mass illiteracy has made it an “issue”.
But khamaaas just needs to hand over the hostages and the war will end! The ZioBots have been screaming this for the last 8 months it must be true! Surely they wouldn’t gaslight people into saying this was never said!
I can’t find info on that so I am guessing at the moment it’s not. Though it seems to be more of a small volunteer project than a big group effort for now.
It doesn’t collect your data or it isn’t selling that data?
Another user on this very thread pointed out the specific trackers being used by the app. Unless that person is lying about them collecting the data, they will almost certainly be selling it.
That’s the thing about data collection: its a lot of money to store. How are they funding the operation unless turning you into the product?
Look up specifically what Admob, Crashlytics, and Firebase analytics track.
That’s the thing about data collection: its a lot of money to store. How are they funding the operation unless turning you into the product?
Are you referring to data on users, or data on the products this app tracks? The app doesn’t need to store user data beyond what is required for it to function. Even if it stored such data, each user will only take up kilobytes to maybe a few megabytes because it’s just text data.
As for the data on the products, by far the largest files would be images. The rest is just text data.
Standard Google Cloud Storage is $0.20/GB per month. There’s no need for this app to store 16k+ photos, so the actual storage costs are negligible.
Looks like it has Google AdMob, CrashLytics, and Firebase Analytics trackers…as well as FB Share according to Exodus. While I totally support the cause, this app is definitely tracking/profiting off of it’s users behind the scenes.
Day old account with tonnes of down votes and attacking people just trying to help…you are very clearly a troll. Also, I must be a guy since I’m commenting about tech? 🙄
I pointed out the trackers that are included in this app for full transparency…not everyone likes having Google and Facebook on their phone. The inclusion of these trackers also hint that the app isn’t open source, which was the initial question. I’m not sure any of this called for such an inflammatory response…
There are other privacy-respecting trackers that could be used for app improvement. At the end of the day, Google profits from the data collected here, and Lemmy has a big community of users looking to avoid this. Tangentially, Google also has massive contracts with the Israeli military that have recently come under fire in the news…just another reason to use different app-improvement trackers if the goal is to truly boycott/divest, etc.
An embarrassment? They announced the attack before it began and then undertook it in an highly telegraphed manner. They specifically only did so to respond to Israel’s illegal bombing of one of their diplomatic embassies.
Fuck Iran and fuck Hamas and all the other terrorist groups Iran funds, but Israel broke international law by bombing an Iranian diplomatic outpost, and then Iran returned fire in a token and intentionally non destructive manner. They then announced that the bombings would cease if there was no further response, and did so.
If anything Iran just pulled off a diplomatic win by looking like the adult in the room compared to Israel’s ill-considered actions. They just made Israel look even more reactionary and disjointed as a nation-state, right after the extremely public and recklessly callous aid worker murder fuck ups in their Palestinian war.
Iran just headed off a regional war that Israel tried to start. This was an Iranian diplomatic victory.
Blinken really thinks a far right religious genocidal maniac is going to regret committing a genocide…
Bibi will never forget all the death he’s caused, because he’s too proud of it to forget.
They don’t understand trump, they don’t understand putin, we need actually competent people in these positions I wouldn’t trust Blinken to sell my house under market value with these negotiating skills.
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