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samokosik , to world in After West Bank attack, Ben Gvir calls to treat PA like Hamas in Gaza
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Saying Israel commits genocide is funny. However, Ben-Gvir does not help the conflict at all and his far right opinions just burry the potential for a solution.

lolcatnip ,

I’m not laughing. Are you?

samokosik ,
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It’s basically a laughter with crying when I hear shenanigans some people post online :/

BeatTakeshi ,
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slaughter and laughter are just one letter apart but it’s still easy to tell which is which

lmaydev ,

I mean it’s absolutely not.

Marsupial ,
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What the fuck?

People don’t say it for a joke, people say it because it’s true.

NoStressyJessie , to world in 6 injured, 1 critically, in attack by 3 gunmen at West Bank checkpoint near Jerusalem
assassinatedbyCIA , to world in After West Bank attack, Ben Gvir calls to treat PA like Hamas in Gaza

Genociders gotta genocide

filister OP ,

Ethnic cleansing for the masses, and they just announced that people sheltering in 4 towns in Southern Gaza should evacuate. They truly want to destroy all civilian infrastructure and make 2 millions of people practically homeless.

While also ignoring international calls for humanitarian aid.

deleted , to world in Ex-USAID director in Gaza says it was well known Hamas used Shifa Hospital, traveled in ambulances

I wonder how these new accounts which post only Israel propaganda is allowed in this sub.

bboplifa OP ,

ya bud, you wanna cancel me because I dont share your sympathy for terrorists? whatever, good luck with that.

deleted ,

First of all, Hamas is as bad as IDF. No more no less. I stand with innocent people killed around the world regardless of their ethnicity, religion, etc…

Second, there’s a difference between journalism and propaganda. This community is for world news.

K1nsey6 ,
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The terrorists in this scenario are the Zionists.

Linkerbaan , to world in Ex-USAID director in Gaza says it was well known Hamas used Shifa Hospital, traveled in ambulances
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American guy in article on Zionist propaganda site contradicting every single doctor on site in Gaza

We’re gonna find those WMD’s any day now boys

sirboozebum ,

It’s strange zero evidence has been provided for their claims except for a video of a militant with an RPG near another hospital.

Linkerbaan ,
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What’s strange is that they are currently in the hospital and are failing to provide any evidence of that tunnel network. All they seem to do is find magically “find a stash of weapons that Hamas surely just forgot” but none of those tunnels they keep talking about

sirboozebum ,
Hatsune_Miku ,
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what’s that strange white date? :3

Hatsune_Miku ,
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the idf built the expansion and underground plans for the hospital back in the 80s

they also showed tunnels in the other hospitals. plus it hasn’t even been a day yet and the IDF isn’t in the entire hospital

Linkerbaan ,
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Bro they showed a elevator shaft in a shot up building 200metres from a hospital, didn’t zoom down the shaft.

Stop claiming they showed evidence. They did not. Everything israel shows keeps getting debunked in like 6 hours. You’re just IDF shilling if you repeat this shit.

Hatsune_Miku ,
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Bro they showed a elevator shaft in a shot up building 200metres from a hospital, didn’t zoom down the shaft.

well that wasn’t al-shifa hospital. but why does them zooming in matter?

Linkerbaan ,
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Because if they’d zoom down the shaft you’d see an elevator and not a tunnel network.

Also notice the two iron rails on the side of the “tunnel” that very clearly guide the elevator. And the pulley of course.

youtu.be/Ai8YmlinJp8?t=1m3s

Hatsune_Miku ,
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and an elevator shaft can’t be a tunnel or secret passage underground?

Linkerbaan ,
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Sure it can. Now if only they would lower the camera into the shaft or descend the ladder so we could see this amazing tunnel network! Surely this deceisive evidence would be presented as soon as they could right?

Hatsune_Miku ,
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they’ve shown the tunnels before tho

Linkerbaan ,
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We know there are tunnels. Even Hamas has shown their own tunnels.

The claim here is that there is a giant Hamas command center with tunnels underneath the hospital which is the excuse israel used to bomb the hospital. The killed hospital staff said there are no tunnels there.

They said they had conclusive evidence before the bombing. So far we’re seeing very little evicence of israeli war crimes and it looks like they were just terror bombing civilians in a hospital.

Hatsune_Miku ,
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very curious to hear where your source comes from, since there have been no reports thus far of IDF bombing hospitals.

Linkerbaan ,
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They have bombed the hospital.

lemonde.fr/…/shelling-at-gaza-s-al-shifa-hospital…

Also reports of tank shots firing into the building from Aljazeera phone calls with doctors on site however those are without video evidence

And israel killed all ICU patients and multiple premature babies by blockading the hospital and preventing it from getting supplies.

theprint.in/world/…/1849226/

Hatsune_Miku ,
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They have bombed the hospital.

That was a flare shell that unfortunately fell onto a civilian area. Accidents happen in wars, especially in such a densely populated area. Militants have their fair share of accidents as well, where their missiles, unfortunately, fell onto a civilian area.

Also reports of tank shots firing into the building from Aljazeera phone calls with doctors on site however those are without video evidence

Al Jazeera cannot be trusted to be factual and impartial. They have Clear bias and Poor credibility. They are funded entirely by the Qatari government. The same Qatar government that houses Hamas leadership. The same Qatar that meets with media mongrels and funds twitter. The same twitter that is notoriously known for being astroturfed. Submissions from Al Jazeera aren’t even allowed on this community because of all this.

And israel killed all ICU patients and multiple premature babies by blockading the hospital and preventing it from getting supplies.

Isn’t blame on both Hamas and Israel for this because they are both fighting around a hospital?

Linkerbaan ,
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Israel has the most modern weapons out there I do not believe in mistakes. Especially since they called the hospitals multiple times to say they were going to bomb them and they all needed to evacuate (see magically disappear)

America wanted Hamas in Qatar to not have to talk through Iran.

Aljazeera is plenty credible. While their fact checking can leave to be desired, they are not fabricating evidence like the IDF is. Furthermore almost all journalists reporting in Gaza show video evidence. You seem to ignore that I specifically pointed out that the call does NOT have video evidence and thus is not the most credible source, though it is very likely that it is true.

Hamas is not blocking any supplies. Only israel is blocking supplies.

You can blame Hamas for Oct 7 because they did that, but blaming literally everything israel does on Hamas is nonsense.

Hatsune_Miku ,
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And your sources?

Linkerbaan ,
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youtu.be/UljpRrib1IQ?si=RFDXSdOr9CcZPi0-

Ehhh not sure where you have been the last month

palal ,

You’re literally arguing with someone who denies that the IDF bombs hospitals. All I’m saying is that lemmy.ml would’ve banned his ass for repeatedly denying established facts…

Linkerbaan ,
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He seems to be at least a bit genuine because he’s linking sources. Maybe he’s just a soul lost in the IDF sauce.

Track_Shovel , to world in Ex-USAID director in Gaza says it was well known Hamas used Shifa Hospital, traveled in ambulances

Quit fucking trying to justify your actions, because you got in shit for them. Didn’t want flack? Gee, maybe you shouldn’t have blown up hospital with civilians and terrorists in it.

Harden also writes that he knows “from first hand experience that Hamas shot at innocent Gazan civilians trying to escape firefights.”

I don’t think anyone at this point is debating if Hamas are a bunch of massive shitbags.

goes on to point out that under international law, health establishments lose their protected status if they are “used to interfere directly or indirectly in military operations.”

Just because you CAN bomb a hospital, doesn’t mean you should. Why the fuck do I even have to type this? Attempted justification like this is gaslighting, pure and simple. "

Humans were a mistake.

Maajmaaj , to world in Herzog: Arabic copy of ‘Mein Kampf’ found on Hamas terrorist shows what war is about
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The way folks blindly believe the terribly done, outright amateur garbage Israeli propaganda on this instance has begun to stress me out so bad that my face hurts. I spend the majority of my time on hexbear now, they make more sense than 70% of the takes on here about Israel-Palestine.

Sparlock , to world in Herzog: Arabic copy of ‘Mein Kampf’ found on Hamas terrorist shows what war is about

Im sorry but the copy they showed was pristine… In a war zone, in Palestine, where people can’t get clean water…

And the terrorist had sticky notes and highlighters and never made a single dog ear, wrinkled a page or got a spec of dirt on it.

It must be the cleanest object in Gaza.

This is as believable as the 3 copies of “the sims 3” found next to the unworn swastika t-shirt was… If you believe this is real and not just poorly done propaganda I have some magic beans to sell you.

TokenBoomer OP ,

It was also found in a Hamas base in a child’s bedroom. Which was obviously a human shield. /s

Sparlock ,

No they said it was a Hamas command post with stuffies and lego. We all know how dangerous lego can be if left on the floor!

TokenBoomer OP ,

That explains so much of the history of this conflict.

  1. That same year Kirk and his son obtained samples of plastic, interlocking bricks which inspired the later lego bricks created in 1949
Sparlock ,

There are no coincidences.

TokenBoomer OP ,

I learned that on 4chan and it hasn’t been proven wrong.

Gigan , to world in Herzog: Arabic copy of ‘Mein Kampf’ found on Hamas terrorist shows what war is about
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When both sides want to genocide the other a peaceful resolution seems impossible.

TokenBoomer OP ,

Only one side, Israel, has the ability and military firepower to carry that genocide to fruition. Hamas only has @ 20,000 members. It would need help from other Muslim militants to have a chance at genocide. The contrast in the power dynamic is what makes what Israel is doing especially egregious.

crimsonpoodle ,

I agree that Israel needs to be held to a higher standard as a democracy(at least for now). However it’s a difficult question; when you have a neighbor that refuses to acknowledge your existence, that has walked away from the negotiation table numerous times, and that every few years attacks your country, and who used civilians as human shields; what is the solution? You can continue to the tit-for-tat in a never ending multi-generational affair or you can end things. It would be really nice if everyone could just get along. the majority of the Palestinians didn’t want this; and yet they are suffering for Hamas’ actions. The far right factions of the Israeli government are being opportunistic in the oppositions silence following the attack. I think the best we can hope for now is accountability, we need independent reporters there and some sort of UN intervention. It’s all so stupid I wish the world would come to its senses.

TokenBoomer OP ,

The solution: Change the conditions of the Palestinian people. Grant them the same rights as Israeli citizens. Allow freedom of movement in the country and abroad. Allow them employment and the ability to buy property. When they have the same rights as Israeli citizens, the impetus for Hamas will fall away. They will be vilified by Palestinians and Israelis.

How we get there is the conundrum. I agree that this needs UN intervention. But without United States support, intervention is moot. The first step is a ceasefire, which should be internationally supported immediately.

ShroOmeric , to world in IDF says troops killed 21 terror operatives who opened fire from Gaza City hospital

I’ll believe what they say when will be confirmed by an independent source. IDF said enough bullshits to fill a library in the last decades.

steventhedev OP ,

You could always just watch the video and make your own decision if you believe it shows what they claim it does.

You could even look up images of the hospital like this one: images.app.goo.gl/DT2xzdyRLvJjSvfd6That building is directly to the left of the building with “Al_Quds Hospital” in English on it. The only question left is if that’s a side entrance, or if it’s a separate building that isn’t part of the hospital itself.

ShroOmeric ,

Yeah all those organizations wasting time with geolocation and timing everything that comes out of war zones they keep doing it because they didn’t have the luck of sharing your genius I guess. 🤷‍♂️

mwguy ,

Can you point to the lie that the IDF told in the past that made you distrust it so?

ShroOmeric ,

You mean you couldn’t find on google when they shot a journalist in the head and pretend they did not till the rest of world got the evidences they wanted to hide? Guess you can’t find what you don’t want to find.

Squizzy ,

“there is no Palestinian people or Culture” - IDF representative.

DoomBot5 ,

“Hamas are terrorists” is usually the baseline for these people ti distrust a source.

Riccosuave ,
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these people

Ah yes, the time honored strategy of separating those you disagree with into the “out group” so you can dehumanize them and disregard their legitimate criticisms. Where have I heard that before I wonder 🤔

DoomBot5 ,

It doesn’t fit my narrative = lies.

ShroOmeric ,

Maybe start reading newspaper, you’re probably old enough.

ikidd , to world in IDF: We supplied 300 liters of fuel to Shifa, Hamas barred hospital from getting it
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A small hospital generator would burn that on about 3 hours. This is a dog and pony show.

hh93 ,

Testing the waters before sending more is a good tactic

What if they send more and Hamas intercepted it as they did with this one?

SHITPOSTING_ACCOUNT ,

That sounds like a reasonable amount to provide, since they can provide another shipment 2h later if it actually goes to the hospital. (At full power it’d be 30 minutes, but I assume critical loads only could be powered a lot longer).

The evidence provided is weak though, and it could easily be staged. We didn’t get lucky by having Hamas publicly confirm that they indeed did it, but it’d be inline with their other statements that show utter disregard for Palestinian life.

blahsay , to world in IDF: We supplied 300 liters of fuel to Shifa, Hamas barred hospital from getting it

There’s a video floating around of Hamas turning away the fuel. Pretty sad situation

Why9 ,

Sure, but it’s such a small amount of fuel for a hospital that it makes no sense to even do it.

Should Hamas give them all the fuel they could use? Sure! But I’m wondering how vulnerable they’ll be if they also have no fuel to fight back against the indiscriminate killings from the IDF…

Mrkawfee , to world in IDF: We supplied 300 liters of fuel to Shifa, Hamas barred hospital from getting it

Nothing Israel says about Gaza is true.

filister , to world in IDF: We supplied 300 liters of fuel to Shifa, Hamas barred hospital from getting it

And no one is even commenting on the elephant in the room. 300 liters of diesel!

Am I the only one who thinks this is a ridiculously low amount?

interceder270 ,

Not big surprise jpost and timesofisrael are the only ones reporting on this.

If you need any more evidence of media bias, here it is.

iturnedintoanewt ,
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BBC confirms the head of surgery on the hospital already mentioned, this is enough for about half an hour of generator power.

Alwaysfallingupyup ,

this is a smart move for the first delivery. And the result is why !

mwguy ,

It was delivered by Jerry can, by hand from troops in the area. They coordinated the drop with the hospital and apparently Hamas. Presumably if this worked they could have arranged for a more regular supply. But that’s 2 barrels of fuel. You could run quite a bit off that.

mlg , to world in IDF: We supplied 300 liters of fuel to Shifa, Hamas barred hospital from getting it
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Waiting for confirmation this actually happened because the article about the premature babies dying due to lack of power asked the doctors if Israel was willing to help to which they responded that “no, Israel isn’t responding to our requests at all, so we don’t know”.

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