When is Israel going to release the thousands of Palestinian hostages they have in “administrative detention” that have not been accused of any crimes? hrw.org/…/why-does-israel-have-so-many-palestinia…
The side that’s a recognized country with their own standing military and also the backing of the largest military in the universe while holding hostages 200:1 gets to answer first.
Nonsense. The Israelis have worked with the Red Cross on hostage release in the past. They are an intermediary in the process, a role the Red Cross has taken since WWI. And, Hamas is the first to refuse their reviewing hostages and prisoners.
Do we have clarity on whether the shooting caused the stampede, or vice versa? I thought the former, but this source is alleging something a bit more nuanced.
Not sure about the stampede but there’s a lot of pictures on Twitter of Palestinians with bullet holes in their head. It’s news to me that stampedes can cause that.
From what I’ve gathered, many were shot in the upper body but many more died due to a stampede in the chaos that came after IDF shooting at a crowd with thousands of people.
I don’t know the details of how the Palestinian government works, if this is legit, or if this means the war is over or whatever. But I do know that if the war ended today, there will still never be real peace after all of the chaos. I cannot fathom the amount of hate and vitriol that has been progenerated inside of Palestine.
I am not really educated on the previous Palestine/Israel conflict, but it all seems irrelevant now, because the current military action was brutal enough to keep it going for the next hundred years, no matter who was “right”.
So it’s a numbers thing, then? Until they get to that six million, all those dead kids don’t matter? What if they stop at 5.9 million, are the Israelis still murderers? Help me figure this out, I’ve always been curious how the minds of sociopaths work.
I don’t support flagrantly massacring civilians, but since you stooped to his level by indulging in his numbers game, I grew curious how the numbers actually compare and would like to share, just as an objective reference for perspective.
Stick around/read bottom part for the big caveat on these numbers though, if it isn’t already obvious.
United States Holocaust Memorial Museum estimates 6 million of 9.5 million European Jews died in the Holocaust. Mass murder by poison gas appears to have commenced on/around Dec 08 '41 first at Chelmno and presumably ceased around the time Germany surrendered on May 07 '45. 1246 days of killing. 6,000,000/1246 = ~4,815 Jews killed per day on average.
I don’t recall the exact date Israel began retaliations, I believe it was around 3 weeks after, but I’m going to start the time window for Israel’s slaughter on Oct 7 '23 to keep things simple, mind the inaccuracy that comes with this. As of time of writing, on Feb 19 '24 (135 days since window start), Gaza Health Ministry has stated that at least 29,000 Palestinians have been killed since the start of the war. 29,000/135 = ~215.
So when comparing the numbers killed per day, we’re still at not even 1/20th the scale of the Holocaust. Regardless, we should hope to never even be near 1/100th the scale, but this is reality and these are the numbers.
Next I want to look at population. Mosaica counts ~5 million Palestinians combined in Gaza and West Bank. This means that, so far, roughly 0.6% of the Palestinian population has been slaughtered compared to the estimated 2 out of 3 European Jews slaughtered in the Holocaust…
NOW for the caveat: we are only 135 days in. They didn’t even have Auschwitz operational 135 days into Hitler’s reign. I’m not a historian. I can’t tell you how many Jews died 135 days into the Holocaust, and I can’t even give you a ballpark range. So if you really want a numbers to numbers comparison, I guess you’ll have to wait until after history repeats itself to crunch the numbers.
You’re missing my point that there are no 6 million Palestinians, only about 2.5 million in Gaza and 3 million in the West Bank, so you will never be able to compare it to tho Holocaust, even if they kill every single one of them, that was my point. The 6 million is the number of Jews who died in the Holocaust.
It’s really weird to see how almost infantalizing the Israeli minister is towards the ambassador. Like he’s correcting a child or something. I suppose when you’re commiting genocide you carry that attitude with you everywhere.
Now, here’s the kicker: the brazilian rightwing, which contains actual (veiled) nazis and other jew-hating groups, are siding with Israel on this matter. The jokes write themselves.
What I said is: you can be wrong with an allegation in the past, but it does not mean that you’ll be wrong with another allegation with no related subject in the future.
He may be wrong about Ukraine/Russia, but this subject is different from Gaza/Israel, which he is right and we have many evidences of the last one.
It’s clearly not the same. See, the skin color of the victims is different! And the Israeli flag looks nothing like a swastika. You must can’t compare the two.
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