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AstridWipenaugh , to world in Hamas refuses to provide info on wellbeing of hostages as Cairo talks commence

When is Israel going to release the thousands of Palestinian hostages they have in “administrative detention” that have not been accused of any crimes? hrw.org/…/why-does-israel-have-so-many-palestinia…

Rapidcreek OP ,

The international Red Cross can visit Israeli prisoners to determine their well being. The same can not be said for hostages Hamas is holding.

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Is that so? Why are Palestinian prisoners being raped by the IDF then?

Rapidcreek OP ,

Why won’t Hamas let the Red Cross see the Hostages?

AstridWipenaugh ,

The side that’s a recognized country with their own standing military and also the backing of the largest military in the universe while holding hostages 200:1 gets to answer first.

nac82 ,

Originally it was Israel preventing the red cross from entering the region.

When did they change their stance?

Rapidcreek OP ,

The Red Cross participated in the last two hostage releases.

wurzelgummidge ,

Because Israel won’t let any one in

Rapidcreek OP ,

Nonsense. The Israelis have worked with the Red Cross on hostage release in the past. They are an intermediary in the process, a role the Red Cross has taken since WWI. And, Hamas is the first to refuse their reviewing hostages and prisoners.

Jsjdjdj6363737 , to world in Hamas refuses to provide info on wellbeing of hostages as Cairo talks commence

Long live hamas

ModAtRedTrjm , to world in IDF says it fired on Gazans who endangered troops in stampede; Hamas claims 70 dead

Another Israel news, how original!

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

Just because it’s become a daily occurrence (thanks Israel!) doesn’t mean we should stop talking about it.

DarkNightoftheSoul ,
@DarkNightoftheSoul@mander.xyz avatar

Is this the banality of evil?

dlatch ,

Interesing how Israeli propaganda has gone from “BuT HaMaS” to just “shh let us genocide in silence”

Arete , to world in IDF says it fired on Gazans who endangered troops in stampede; Hamas claims 70 dead

Do we have clarity on whether the shooting caused the stampede, or vice versa? I thought the former, but this source is alleging something a bit more nuanced.

wahming ,

All you really need to know is that the IDF claimed it

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Not sure about the stampede but there’s a lot of pictures on Twitter of Palestinians with bullet holes in their head. It’s news to me that stampedes can cause that.

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

From what I’ve gathered, many were shot in the upper body but many more died due to a stampede in the chaos that came after IDF shooting at a crowd with thousands of people.

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

Eye witnesses say the shots came first them the stampede. I think Aljazeera has footage of the moments before it all started.

Borger , to world in IDF says it fired on Gazans who endangered troops in stampede; Hamas claims 70 dead

Fuck the I”D”F

FabledAepitaph , to worldnews in Palestinian Authority PM Shtayyeh submits resignation of entire government

I don’t know the details of how the Palestinian government works, if this is legit, or if this means the war is over or whatever. But I do know that if the war ended today, there will still never be real peace after all of the chaos. I cannot fathom the amount of hate and vitriol that has been progenerated inside of Palestine.

I am not really educated on the previous Palestine/Israel conflict, but it all seems irrelevant now, because the current military action was brutal enough to keep it going for the next hundred years, no matter who was “right”.

morphballganon , to worldnews in Palestinian Authority PM Shtayyeh submits resignation of entire government

Wait can I do that

Submit a resignation for someone else

Anthrocene OP ,

Uh, what? The government did in fact resign.

jeena , to worldnews in Israel declares Brazil’s Lula ‘persona non grata’ over comparison of Gaza war to Holocaust
@jeena@jemmy.jeena.net avatar

Only once they kill 6 million palestinians you can compare those two.

cyborganism ,

/s?

jeena ,
@jeena@jemmy.jeena.net avatar

Yes, I thought it was obvious, but looking at the downvotes it seems not really.

TheAnonymouseJoker ,
@TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

You should learn to word the spicy nuclear takes in a more obvious manner. Read the fucking room.

OtakuAltair ,
@OtakuAltair@lemmy.world avatar

Zionists also say this fascist shit unironically without a hint of self-awareness. So a /s is needed yes.

wildginger ,

The living victims of the holocaust dont agree with you.

goferking0 ,

That’s okay, Isreal will just call them self hating jews like anyone else Jewish who doesn’t fall behind the Isreali line

wildginger ,

Who cares? Israel has about as much standing to speak for jews as my local pastor has for speaking as the pope.

jeena ,
@jeena@jemmy.jeena.net avatar

I didn’t see any evidence of that Israel cares about what the living victims of the holocaust think.

TheUncannyObserver ,

So it’s a numbers thing, then? Until they get to that six million, all those dead kids don’t matter? What if they stop at 5.9 million, are the Israelis still murderers? Help me figure this out, I’ve always been curious how the minds of sociopaths work.

catloaf ,

I’m pretty sure that was sarcasm.

Eldritch ,

Looking at their post history. I’m inclined to agree. However, there are plenty who say it un-sarcastically .

casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer ,

I don’t support flagrantly massacring civilians, but since you stooped to his level by indulging in his numbers game, I grew curious how the numbers actually compare and would like to share, just as an objective reference for perspective.

Stick around/read bottom part for the big caveat on these numbers though, if it isn’t already obvious.

United States Holocaust Memorial Museum estimates 6 million of 9.5 million European Jews died in the Holocaust. Mass murder by poison gas appears to have commenced on/around Dec 08 '41 first at Chelmno and presumably ceased around the time Germany surrendered on May 07 '45. 1246 days of killing. 6,000,000/1246 = ~4,815 Jews killed per day on average.

I don’t recall the exact date Israel began retaliations, I believe it was around 3 weeks after, but I’m going to start the time window for Israel’s slaughter on Oct 7 '23 to keep things simple, mind the inaccuracy that comes with this. As of time of writing, on Feb 19 '24 (135 days since window start), Gaza Health Ministry has stated that at least 29,000 Palestinians have been killed since the start of the war. 29,000/135 = ~215.

So when comparing the numbers killed per day, we’re still at not even 1/20th the scale of the Holocaust. Regardless, we should hope to never even be near 1/100th the scale, but this is reality and these are the numbers.

Next I want to look at population. Mosaica counts ~5 million Palestinians combined in Gaza and West Bank. This means that, so far, roughly 0.6% of the Palestinian population has been slaughtered compared to the estimated 2 out of 3 European Jews slaughtered in the Holocaust…

NOW for the caveat: we are only 135 days in. They didn’t even have Auschwitz operational 135 days into Hitler’s reign. I’m not a historian. I can’t tell you how many Jews died 135 days into the Holocaust, and I can’t even give you a ballpark range. So if you really want a numbers to numbers comparison, I guess you’ll have to wait until after history repeats itself to crunch the numbers.

jeena ,
@jeena@jemmy.jeena.net avatar

You’re missing my point that there are no 6 million Palestinians, only about 2.5 million in Gaza and 3 million in the West Bank, so you will never be able to compare it to tho Holocaust, even if they kill every single one of them, that was my point. The 6 million is the number of Jews who died in the Holocaust.

Daz , to worldnews in Israel declares Brazil’s Lula ‘persona non grata’ over comparison of Gaza war to Holocaust
@Daz@lemmy.ml avatar

It’s really weird to see how almost infantalizing the Israeli minister is towards the ambassador. Like he’s correcting a child or something. I suppose when you’re commiting genocide you carry that attitude with you everywhere.

Gabu , to worldnews in Israel declares Brazil’s Lula ‘persona non grata’ over comparison of Gaza war to Holocaust

Now, here’s the kicker: the brazilian rightwing, which contains actual (veiled) nazis and other jew-hating groups, are siding with Israel on this matter. The jokes write themselves.

FenrirIII ,
@FenrirIII@lemmy.world avatar

Most right-wing groups hate Muslims more than Jews.

BaalInvoker , to world in Israel declares Brazil’s Lula ‘persona non grata’ over comparison of Gaza war to Holocaust

Well… If you’re a persona non grata in a genocidal country, you must be doing something right

Billy ,
AdamEatsAss ,

He’s a big headline guy. Say enough imflamitory stuff and you’ll get in the news.

BaalInvoker ,

He’s not a paladin. He make mistakes.

But there are huge differences between Ukraine/Russia and Gaza/Israel.

Israel with Netanyahu is killing children and civilians.

amnesty.org/…/damning-evidence-of-war-crimes-as-i…

www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67764664

amnesty.org/…/israel-opt-new-evidence-of-unlawful…

aljazeera.com/…/israeli-snipers-kill-21-civilians…

theguardian.com/…/civilian-toll-israeli-airstrike…

And so on.

TrickDacy ,

And so this makes it ok to “both sides” the war in Ukraine? This makes zero sense

BaalInvoker ,

I did not say that.

What I said is: you can be wrong with an allegation in the past, but it does not mean that you’ll be wrong with another allegation with no related subject in the future.

He may be wrong about Ukraine/Russia, but this subject is different from Gaza/Israel, which he is right and we have many evidences of the last one.

TrickDacy ,

You’re trying to steamroll the user’s valid point which is that this person is a shitty source of info.

bigMouthCommie ,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

it's not a valid point. it's the very definition of poisoning the well.

BaalInvoker ,

What? Are you on drugs?

TheBat ,
@TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

Tankies be wilding fr fr

livus ,
@livus@kbin.social avatar

@Billy doesn't make him wrong about Climate Change, the Amazon rainforest, or the genocide in Gaza though.

TheUncannyObserver , to worldnews in Israel declares Brazil’s Lula ‘persona non grata’ over comparison of Gaza war to Holocaust

I would be proud of the honor of being banned from Israel.

livus , to world in Israel declares Brazil’s Lula ‘persona non grata’ over comparison of Gaza war to Holocaust
@livus@kbin.social avatar

I'm sure Lula isn't losing any sleep over this.

Feel a bit sorry for the Ambassador though, taken on a holocaust memorial tour to be told off.

“It seems like he internalized the message,” says an Israeli official who was present.

The message that these genocidaires are batshit insane and really can't see why killing civilians and children is wrong, I guess.

holycrap ,

It’s clearly not the same. See, the skin color of the victims is different! And the Israeli flag looks nothing like a swastika. You must can’t compare the two.

– the tour guide, probably

vodkasolution , to world in Israel declares Brazil’s Lula ‘persona non grata’ over comparison of Gaza war to Holocaust

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middlemanSI , to news in Hezbollah vows revenge after 10 civilians said killed in south Lebanon strikes

…with a dildo of justice

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