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Who is the IDF general who ordered tank fire on a kibbutz home with 13 hostages inside? (www.haaretz.com)

Until she was taken out of the house, Porat identified nine living hostages. She wasn’t a witness to the close-range shooting of any of the hostages, or to any of them being hit in the exchange of fire. “I didn’t see anyone execute anyone,” she says. “I didn’t see a body.” That is compatible with what Hadas Dagan...

Billy ,

"Staff from the Israel Antiquities Authority aided in the investigation of the incident in Be’eri, and Haaretz received the IAA’s findings. The archaeologists divided the structure into 13 sectors and each one was excavated, and its remains carefully screened, by a team that also included soldiers, in an effort to find body parts. Remnants of the munitions that were fired were examined by a ballistics expert.

The IAA inquiry ruled out the claim that the firing of the second shell “ended the incident” by bringing about the death of the hostages. Concentrations of bodily remains were found in two places – in the kitchen/dining corner and the living room. The shell apparently struck the attic, which was separated from the living area below by a concrete ceiling. According to the archaeologists’ investigation, the ceiling remained intact, and therefore “the shrapnel did not penetrate the kitchen through the ceiling.” In both arenas there were casings from a Kalashnikov rifle, which the terrorists used. Accordingly, the IAA’s conclusions are that “the firing was executed from inside the structure” and that “the area in which human remains were found was not damaged by outside fire.” "

Billy ,

Sporadic? They’ve been bombing Israel daily since the 8th of October. Some of those leading to fires all over the north of Israel.
Just yesterday they launched over 200 rockets plus drones.

Hezbollah has already started a war with Israel.

Billy ,

So to you all Israeli Jews, Druze and Bedouin can be kidnapped and killed for being born on “stolen Palestinian land”?

Billy ,

You didn’t even need to use that conflict as an example. Most Israelis are brown.

Netanyahu hoped Hamas would reject Israel's offer. When it didn't, he turned to sabotage (www.haaretz.com)

Israel’s criminal defendant prime minister, more focused on saving his incompetent far-right government than saving the hostages who have spent seven months trapped in Gaza, is doing everything he can to torpedo Israel’s last and best chance at bringing the hostages home...

Billy ,

about the last part, the eu banned rt and sputnik news.
does that mean eu countries aren’t democracies?

Billy , (edited )

last part as in ‘They also shut down AlJezeera news and Israel claims they are the ‘‘only democracy in the Middle East’’’

they have the same laws for all citizens. jews, muslims, druze, etc.
palestinians living in the west bank are citizens of the pa (or jordan), not of israel.
the situation in area c of the west bank is a result of the failed oslo accords and bibi’s policy of “status quo”.
article by prof mohammed wattad, who is an israeli-arab (his own words)
israel’s declaration of independence
basic laws of israel

shutting down a state backed media group that has ties to the muslim brotherhood (hamas is a branch of theirs), from a hostile state that hosts the billionaire leaders of hamas, is similar to the shutting down of rt in europe - which is a state backed media group of a hostile state.

in israel you don’t vote for the prime minister, you vote for a party. as part of the coalition creating process, the pm is chosen as part of the agreements between parties.
one of the pm’s parties in 2022, naftali bennet, had much less votes than the likud ever had.
basic law: the government
knesset

posting something twice and then replying to someone with a similar link isn’t “spamming”.
pointing out the reality of this specific action / situation isn’t “defending” anything. that’s a very black and white view of things.
same as when i criticize a state it doesn’t instantly mean i’m against it or hate it.

Billy ,

ah ok, some of the most democratic countries in the world aren’t democratic.
which countries are then? qatar? north korea?

Billy ,

plenty of israelis criticize israel all the time.
the existance of media groups like haaretz and 972 in israel, which criticize israel all the time are a good example.
the massive protests are another.

Billy ,

fair enough.
added some, will add more later.

Billy ,

a case of an anti-semitic doctor who praises terrorists and flouts a visa ban, isn’t enough to declare some of the most democratic countries in the world “not democratic”.
here’s one of the articles by him in arabic praising a terrorist who murdered a rabbi.

Israel orders Al Jazeera to close its local operation and seizes some of its equipment (apnews.com)

Israel ordered the local offices of Qatar’s Al Jazeera satellite news network to close Sunday, escalating a long-running feud between the broadcaster and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s hard-line government as Doha-mediated cease-fire negotiations with Hamas hang in the balance....

Billy ,

didn’t the eu ban rt and sputnik? even from social media, which doesn’t seem to be the case here.

Billy ,

do you consider eu countries democratic?
they banned rt and sputnik.

Billy ,

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-bans-rt-sputnik-banned-over-ukraine-disinformation-2022-03-02/
russian state-backed media outlets.

Message From a Gazan to Campus Protesters: You're Hurting the Palestinian Cause (www.newsweek.com)

It’s unconscionable. But it’s not just the antisemitism that has me despairing. It’s the hypocrisy. Where were these caring young people when Hamas took over Gaza and slaughtered hundreds of Gazans, or when Hamas held 2 million Gazans captive for more than 17 years? Why didn’t they speak out about the fact that Hamas led...

Billy ,

where’d you get that from? another “truthout” article?
only the south of israel is mainly desert.

Billy ,

how do you explain rabin and the oslo accords then?
and all the israelis who voted for parties that support the 2 state solution?

Billy ,

other than the 834 executions last year of protesters / dissidents and general killings of protesters, here’s 1 known killing of an iranian journalist.
there’s also the other attempts to kill iranian journalists abroad, but fortunately they’re incompetent.

Billy ,

the conspiracy theory is about shabak, not the mossad and it was spread by radical israeli right-wingers as a conpiracy by, what they consider, a leftist shabak that was trying to delegitimize the right and increase the support for the left.
yigal amir supported kahanists like ben gvir and his ilk, not the likud.

after rabin, there was ehud barak who was voted in, who also tried to reach a 2 state solution with arafat in 2000.

Billy ,

you wrote “You can admire Israel’s natural beauty (which is just deserts really?)”.
if you’ve been there, you’re supposed to know that while the south of israel is mostly deserts, you won’t find any deserts in the rest of it.

Billy ,

i wrote most of the south, not most of israel…
and you wrote “just deserts”…
the center and north don’t have deserts.
there are meadows and forests. in some places there’s snow in the winter.
so again, not “just deserts really”. which is what you wrote.

Billy ,

“You can admire Israel’s natural beauty (which is just deserts really?) and still support a two state solution though”

is the first comment i replied to.
i quoted this part “(which is just deserts really?)”

maybe you meant something else, but this is what you wrote.
calling me a liar after pointing out and even quoting exactly what you wrote is so ridiculous, that i have a hard time believing you aren’t purposedly misunderstanding.

Israeli Weapon Damaged Iranian Air Defenses Without Being Detected, Officials Say (www.nytimes.com)

“The two Iranian officials said the weapon had struck an S-300 antiaircraft system at a military base in the nearby province of Isfahan. The officials’ account is supported by satellite imagery analyzed by The New York Times, which showed damage to the radar of an S-300 system at the Eighth Shekari Air Base in Isfahan.”...

Billy ,

“To a lesser extent, China and Iran also peddle disinfo in hopes of influencing voters.”

“As an example, social media posts by sock puppet agents of the Chinese Communist Party promoted former President Donald Trump and criticized Biden.”

Iran launches drone attack against Israel as Biden rushes to White House (www.theguardian.com)

Iran said it launched dozens of drones and ballistic missiles towards Israel on Saturday in a major attack following days of acute tension building up in the region and warnings from the US and elsewhere about a wider conflict erupting....

Billy ,

al-nusra in syria is funded by qatar, which syrians are suing for that.

the mek was allegedly supported also by israel, along with the saudis and the usa.
which had to start after their funding and cooperation with saddam hussein. so after 2003. much after iran’s support for hamas since the 1990’s and the founding of hizballah in the 1980’s.

and since then they’ve barely done anything other than the 2 assassinations related to iran’s nuclear program. not even close to hamas, houthis’ or hizballah’s actions. and they barely have any weapons or funding compared, let alone thousands of rockets and drones.

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