I hope the attacks by Ukrainians behind enemy lines intensify before the Russian presidential election. The Russians hate them anyway. They could again drop some presents on Moscow without losing any more sympathy that they did not got from russians in the first place. Might as well show some muscles - the only language authoritarian regimes understand. 18 Drones in Kiev? 18 Drones on Moscow. But instead of civilian infrastructure, let it rain down on political targets. No need to get as low as russians.
He will use everything he’s got to affect the election. It will be worse than 2016. Not just promoting trump, but discrediting Democrats and promoting 3rd party candidates that could steal some Democrats’ votes.
democrats don’t own the votes. they need to earn them. if a so-called “third party” earns the votes, it’s the democrats failing to earn it, not the third party stealing it.
Not just that, but also if Republicans in Congress can withhold aid to Ukraine, it’s essentially the same thing. Ukraine can’t fight this war effectively without our help and our weapons/ammo.
It feels like all the news articles are intentionally avoiding the word Genocide.
Are there any good ones that actually use the word when they describe what is going on?
Stop relentlessly shelling us (specifically when we are in supposed relative peacetimes).
Again, Stop kidnapping our civilians, stripping them down, and calling them fighters.
Stop forcing our women and children to "evacuate to a safe space", then mercilessly shelling that place.
Stop destroying our schools and hospitals, murdering everyone there, then calling it a "Hamas center of operations" because armed men were there trying to protect the inhabitants.
Just to explain: Their demands are mainly loosening the blockade (which is a humanitarian crisis in its own right) and freeing hostages Palestinian detainees.
“rejects any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea” … “the Day of Judgment will not come about until Muslims fight Jews and kill them.”
Y'all are conveniently ignoring the fact that this an outdated charter and can't find such language in the new one. Just another day clocking in to the genocide defence factory, don't forget the emojis.
It’s also interesting that Hamas literally calls for genocide or in their more “PR friendly” new draft only ethnic cleansing, and then Hamas ball garglers claim Israel is commiting genocide.
Don’t get me wrong, there have been war crimes, collective punishment is a war crime. But it’s not genocide.
They don’t want to kill all Jews. They want the expulsion of all Jews from Israel/Palestine. At least according to their original manifesto, they’ve changed it to remove this part to be fair.
It can be argued that the Israeli government wants the same thing for the Palestinians.
“rejects any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea” … “the Day of Judgment will not come about until Muslims fight Jews and kill them.”
Some members have stated as such but have been corrected by the leadership. Hamas, at least publicly, only said that they wanted to forcefully displace the Jews and that they would not hesitate to kill civilians to attain that objective.
Well yes ? How else would you want to do this. I just gave you an example of a senior Hamas officer saying kill all Jews and Hamas saying they do not agree.
I have no doubt Hamas leadership is a bunch of genocidal maniacs but their official stance has been in the past the forceful displacement and nowadays it’s the return to pre 1967 borders. They are ready to admit to the existence of Israel, not by pleasure mind you, but their official stance nowadays is that they are partially open to a two state solution if the right to return is put in place.
This might be a bunch of lies, but it is their official position.
Oh that’s all? Thank goodness forcible displacement using coercive threats on a civilian population isnt a war crime. I don’t understand why you are splitting hairs on the goals of this openly genocidal group. Supporting Palestinians doesn’t mean you have to go to bat for Hamas.
It really didn’t take much to get you in the mood to justify a targeted attack on civilians did it. I’m consistent in my view that it’s wrong to murder civilians, but it doesn’t seem like you are.
Yeah just 75 years of brutal oppression and all forms of peaceful protests being massacred like the March to Return in 2018.
Was Ukraine targeting civilians when they invaded Crimea too? Some Russian civilians sure died from it.
Just forget all the propaganda you’ve been reading and look at the sheer numbers of miliary Vs civilian deaths.
You’re really far gone down the IDF propaganda drain if you still believe Oct7 was just an attack on civilians.
It was a targeted attack on IDF military bases and also hostage takings on the Kibbutzes nearby. Yes “civilians” were killed but the amount is low compared to the amount of soldiers. Furthermore the israeli “civilians” were extremely heavily armed.
Those videos of Hamas throwing grenades inside shelters? IDF Soldiers were inside.
If Hamas was going for civilian casualties they would have planned pushing in further and would have likely been able to kill at least 10k
Where do you see that I’m supporting them? I literally reiterated in many comments that what they want is a war crime. No need to invent some other objectives they are plenty awful enough.
OP is misleading. Hamas has a new 2017 charter, which has change a lot. As far as I can remember, they had alterd their demand/charter, where the main clause is to have the Israel/Palestine border to be as of 1967.
Given that Jews are not likely to voluntarily leave Israel, this is de facto a call to violently expel or kill all Jews in the area, which is nearly half of the world's Jews.
While yes, going from "Kill all Jews" to just "Kill half of all Jews" is an improvement, it's still not "let's all hold hands and find a way to get along!". This isn't to say that the Israeli far right is all that much better really, though they're better at knowing what parts to say out loud.
Yes it is a clear war crime don’t get me wrong. But exaggeration has no use when reality is awful enough.
Hamas is a terrorist organisation that will not hesitate to kill civilians to achieve their ideals. They do not publicly at least want to kill all Jews.
TBF, so is the IDF. They have killed, what, nearly 20,000 Palestinians, mostly women and children non-combatants, since they declared war on Gaza? They claim to care about not killing civilians, but they sure aren’t putting a lot of effort into not killing them.
What’s a reasonable ratio of combatants to non-combatants killed? 1:1? 1:10? If Israel has to kill one hundred civilians in order to kill a single Hamas militant, is that acceptable?
This is plain wrong and disinformation. Israel has killed way more civilians than is usual or acceptable in a war but nowhere near the numbers you cited.
Seeing as 1/3 of the deaths are children and the other 1/3 women it’s pretty easy to confirm that there is no targeting involved. It’s just genocide.
Israel was already unecessarily killing and starving civilians before Oct 7. And there’s literally no reason they need to starve anyone right now aside israel comitting genocide.
You seem to have a weird impression of them. Genociding all Palestinians is israels goal, it’s not a “byproduct” of the war. Netanyahu has publicly stated this.
But you’re right since they dared to enter Gaza and fight instead of just bombing civilians while Hamas was in the tunnels underground, their civilian casualty rate has probably decreased. Maybe they got 500 now?
Where did I say that one side didn’t want to genocide the other ? Hamas is more public about it and won’t even try to justify their civilian killings, but Netanhyu government has made it clear again and again that they are willing to do collective punishment. The high civilian death rate is of course intentional.
Hamas has also killed plenty of civilians, and they don’t even try to pretend that it was accidental. That said you are close to their ratio which is three civilians for every military death.
Israel’s civilian deaths to militant deaths is probably higher due to the usage of bombs (10 civilian deaths per explosion) and intentional starvation but it isn’t 100:1.
Hamas’ strategy of hiding behind civilians is also a war crime since it obviously increases the number of civilians killed.
If you believe Israeli propaganda, they have killed 5000 Hamas militants. Reality is probably smaller than that, but since Hamas intentionally doesn’t publish their militant casualties we won’t have a good estimation. That said 500 Israeli soldiers have died and seeing the asymmetry in warfare, you can expect much more Hamas militants to have died. I have not been able to find an estimate from an independent source.
So, here’s the thing - which is more awful? A group that publicly says they want to do genocide but is really, really ineffective at it? Or a group that claims they only want to stop bad people, but happens to be really effective at committing genocide while purportedly killing bad people?
I strongly suspect that the only way Israel can claim that 5k Hamas militants have been killed is by counting every male that appears to be at least a teenager as a militant.
Frankly both are awful and both should not be allowed to take control of Israel/Palestine. I have no idea what solution there is to this conflict honestly, I just want things to stay somewhat factual.
I agree that the 5000 figure seems highly improbable. Israel has been quite effective at killing high members of Hamas but I doubt they have killed 5000 out of the 30000 militants.
The solution is two states, where Israel returns to the 1947 UN borders, and allows the Palestinian Authority to have full control of Palestinian territory. Hamas exists as a powerful force because Israel consistently refuses to work towards a two-state solution in good faith.
The other solution is for the UN to de-militarize both the Palestinians and the Israelis, occupy all the land currently held by Israel, and force a power-sharing agreement and a new constitution so that Israel is no longer a Jewish state. Of course, the last time that Israel was occupied, you had a whole bunch of far-right Jewish terrorists that did things like assassinate diplomat’s families.
Netanyahu literally said publicly that he saw wants to kill all Palestinians including the women and children and his deeds match his words.
For Hamas that’s “more public about” it they sure do their best not to kill kids.
As long as the demographic chart of Palestinians murdered by the IDF looks like the actual Palestinian population demographic (1/3 women, 1/3 kids) it’s safe to assume that there is absolutely no real targeting taking place.
As long as the demographic chart of Palestinians murdered by the IDF looks like the actual Palestinian population demographic (1/3 women, 1/3 kids) it’s safe to assume that there is absolutely no real targeting taking place.
Yes, there is a bump if you look at the Hamas fighting population demographics but it is a minority. The large majority of people killed in this war are civilians there is no doubt about that. I was denying the 1:100 figure. For example Hamas has 1\3 of female victims, yet have a 1:4 casualty rate.
Netanyahu literally said publicly that he saw wants to kill all Palestinians including the women and children and his deeds match his words.
No he didn’t and you know it. Why lie ?
Some senior Hamas executives have had such a discourse for Jews before being very softly reprimanded by Hamas but no executive from the Israeli government. There have been plenty of dog whistles, but they are not stupid enough to say it literally.
Edit : I didn’t realize it but you were the person calling for the massacre of civilians in an earlier comment. Explains why you would lie, you need to dehumanise your enemy. I’m not spending more energy on this. You’re too far gone.
They tried to go for a rebel strike that might make Israel pause and think about their constant ongoing oppression and slaughter, but Papa Biden was there to make sure that didn't work.
It wasn't bad enough that white nation's went in, stole their land, and displaced them.
America had been depending on Israel to buy and use their guns and ammunition the whole time through to prop up the military industrial complex and give America a toe-hold across the Pacific.
Plenty of bootlicking Americans around to deny that long and horrific history though.
There's no shortage on stories of cases where Israeli soldiers rape Palestinians --of any gender. In terms of murder, we know which side has the higher body count, so let's not pretend we don't.
I wouldn’t recommend citing an Iranian Revolutionary Guard operated propaganda website as a credible source. Perhaps you should examine more critically where you are getting your news from.
The high explosive does its thing, then the massive highly populated concrete structures dismember them and burn them as they fall in wanton painful and terrifying chaos as it collapses giving them unsanctimonious burials.
You have no idea what high ordinance does, but you make up a story in your sick little mind to justify a terrorist act. Sitting on your couch playing Jihad Jane.
Just say it. Just call them savages you want exterminated.
You don't care about death or suffering, you care about how "impure and backwards they are". To be cleaned for "progress"
You're building up to it, just speak plainly. You want to improve the land of Palestine by clearing out the savages. It's the genocidal colonial logic you subscribe to. Let people know who you are.
Israel isn't Jewish. It was taken from Palestine to be given to the Jews as reparation for the Nazi genocide, but that was a long ass time ago, Israel is not entirely Jewish anymore, and now Israel is the country doing a genocide.
Just for anyone who might happen to care about facts, Israel is not a "white nation", and most of its citizens actually originate from the Middle East from Jewish communities in Arab countries that were expelled in the 50s and 60s. Ashkenazi Jews from Europe are a significant group, but they're not a majority. Most Arab countries had Jewish communities for well over 2000 years before being forcibly expelled due to Arab anger after the formation of Israel.
The synagogue of Baghdad, for instance, was built 2500 years ago. A synagogue on the outskirts of Damascus was build 2700 years ago. The synagogue of Aleppo dates nearly 3000 years ago, where it housed a set of Hebrew Bible scrolls from around the year 1000 until they were removed following anti-Jewish riots in 1947. Libya has a synagogue from c. 1060. Cairo has 12 synagogues, but less than 10 Egyptian Jews. In Yemen, evidence of Jewish community dates back 2500 years. In 1949 and 1950, 50,000 Yemeni Jews were evacuated to Israel in the face of growing persecution and backlash to the creation of Israel. By 2009, there were about 350 Jews left in Yemen, and following the Civil War in Yemen and strong persecution from the Houthis, there are less than 10 Jews remaining in Yemen, essentially ending over 2500 years of Jewish history in Yemen.
To describe Israel as nothing but a bunch of white Europeans is simply inaccurate and erases the millennia-long history of Jewish communities throughout the entire Middle East.
They want a ceasefire, the blockade to be loosened and the release of all Palestinian prisoners in Israel. All things that shouldn't need even need negotiation to happen in a non-Apartheid state.
The Hamas leadership has said that the objectives of the attacks are ending “Israeli violations”, securing the release of Palestinian prisoners, and “returning to the project of establishing a state”
Israeli violations can be understood to main airstrikes and other military action against Gaza, though it's unclear if it includes the blockade.
Unfortunately you're right, it doesn't say a whole lot.
While Hamas may appear to have fulfilled its declared short-term goals of deterring Israeli violations of Al-Aqsa Mosque and taking hostages to bargain for the release of Palestinian political prisoners held in Israeli jails, it does not appear to have a long-term end game.
and later
Three days into Hamas’s surprising and overwhelming attack, it is not clear what its end game is and what it can do to reap long-term benefits. Its priority has seemed to be to take both military and civilian hostages to help deter aggressive Israeli retaliation and later exchange them for Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails.
Which contradicts the idea in the OP article stating about Hamas' "demands."
The closet thing I could find was this:
The Hamas leadership has said that the objectives of the attacks are ending “Israeli violations”, securing the release of Palestinian prisoners, and “returning to the project of establishing a state”.
Which are certainly objectives, but not specific enough to be demands.
Searching for "hamas' list of demands" online, there are several articles similar to the one above that reference it, but no list of demands that I can see. The closest things I can find are the 1988 and 2017 Hamas charters, which aren't particularly specific other than the original one calls for the eradication of Israel and the Jews, and the revised one just calls for the eradication of Israel... which isn't exactly a demand as much as an aspiration, and is kind of a moot point because it doesn't seem like something that would be accepted by Israel.
So I'm still looking for an actual list of demands...
Which are certainly objectives, but not specific enough to be demands.
Not really? "Release Palestinian prisoners" and "stop Israeli violations" at least are definitely demands, and from what I found they also want Israel to stop flying drones over Gaza. That said, yeah, I guess not much has been made public.
Well for an actual "list of demands" I would expect things like "release these people:" followed by a list of names, and "stop doing these violations:" followed by a list of the violations they are accusing Israel of. "Release everybody" and "stop doing bad things" are technically demands, but they're not the kind of things you'd expect in an actual list of specific demands. Those certainly work as summaries of the demands, but I was hoping that some news agency would have an actual list of the specific things Hamas is demanding in order to release the hostages rather than just "do everything we want." I've seen them mention the drones in another article, which I suspect must be one of the things on the actual list.
"Release everyone" is one of their actual demands. Usually Hamas milks hostages for as many Palestinian prisoners as they're worth, and this time they have a lot of hostages so it should be in line with historical "exchange rates", so to speak, given that many of the hostages are soldiers, which have more value as hostages. Good point on the violations thing, though, it's frankly perplexing that they nobody is publishing an actual list.
If something as vague as "release everyone" or "release all Palestinians in Israeli jails" or whatever is one of their actual demands, it's unfortunate, because it makes it sound more like they're not serious and are just making impossible demands that they know will not/can not be met as an excuse to continue fighting but to give off the appearance of working for peace. Just as if "the eradication of the Israeli state" were one of their demands. But I can't really accuse them of that yet since I haven't seen an actual list of demands and we're both just speculating at this stage.
because it makes it sound more like they're not serious and are just making impossible demands that they know will not/can not be met as an excuse to continue fighting but to give off the appearance of working for peace.
Why not? I think they got Israel to release 1200 Palestinian prisoners for one soldier before. That's why I said there's historical precedent. Releasing all Palestinian prisoners is far from an impossible demand.
It's the vagueness that's the problem. Without lists of who is to be released, it just becomes Israel's word of who is there or not. It could be 100 people or 10,000 people. I suspect Hamas is far more aware of who is imprisoned and how much they are worth. Like, is Hamas demanding the release of random violent criminals, rapists, car thieves, etc. solely because of their ethnicity? I doubt it. But they'll want their fighters back, and any political prisoners, stuff like that.
Release the hostages and then what? Lose all their leverage? I can bet you right now if they release the hostages outside of an actual ceasefire agreements none of their demands will be met.
I think Israel will take over Gaza like it used to before 2005 (they've actually stated this), and Palestinians prisoners will continue rotting in the Israeli military prison system. I also think Palestinian resistance will be mercilessly crushed. Why do you ask?
Are you serious? After so many news talking about drugged up kids which were released in hostage exchange and naked woman being dragged through the city and spat on you actually question whether hostages are abused?
Oh in that case we're talking about different things. There are hostages who were abused the moment they were taken. The people who abused those need to be punished, no questions asked. There are then hostages that weren't. Those weren't abused after being taken into the tunnels, or at least weren't sexually assaulted. The former is a fact, the latter is a claim even the IDF walked back on.
There are 2M Palestinians living within the borders that Israel claims as it’s own. There are 8M Israelis (that figure includes Palestinian Israelis). Palestinians would need to hold roughly 1/5 of all gov’t positions in order for them to be anything other than a token minority. But they don’t. In fact, it’s not even close. The US, despite it’s 200+ year racist and patriarchal history, has better representation of non-white and non-male people in Congress–as a proportion of the population–than Israel does.
Ty for clarifying, West Bank settlements are absolutely abhorrent, but I’ve seen too many people use the phrase claimed territory to refer to all of Israel. I appreciate the response and clarification
IMO, the 1947 UN borders are fairly reasonable, and Jerusalem should probably be administered by rotating 3rd parties (since there’s no way that Israel and Palestine can realistically jointly govern Jerusalem due to how religiously charged it is).
In the USA, there are 3 African-American senators out of 100. There have been only 3 African American governors in history.
There are 9 ethnic minority members of French parliament out of 577, despite making up about 15% of the population.
Ethnic minorities represent 10% of the UK Parliament, despite being 16% of the population.
In Israel, there are 10 seats in the Knesset representing Arab/Palestinian parties out of 120.
Underrepresentation of minorities is a widespread global problem that is not limited to Israel. Pretending that the the rest of the world is some kind of post-racial utopia, while only Israel experiences racial inequality is cynical at best.
Look at state legislators, mayors, etc. Yeah, the US is gerrymandered to shit, and SCOTUS is gutting the civil rights and voting rights acts. But at least at a state level, non-white people have better representation. In my state, Republicans are currently fighting a federal court order to redraw voting districts because they under-represented black populations, but that city has a black mayor, and a majority black city council. Yeah, the US has a problem with racism. But the US doesn’t send in the military to run Atlanta because they don’t want black and Latino people to have a say in the government.
I mean Israel doesn't follow its ceasefires. What do they expect will happen? Despite two agreements stipulating that the blockade would be lifted and air strikes would stop neither happened.
Internet libs love to tell people how they should fight for their rights. I wonder if anyone has considered holding a bake sale in Gaza? Maybe then both sides can sit down and talk? Maybe Israel just doesn’t know committing genocide is bad? Does Hamas know Israel wants to commit genocide? Does Israel know Palestinians feel pain and suffering?
Many of those prisoners are there after participating in terrorist activities, many of them murdering lots of innocent civilians. The only reason they’re still there is because Israel does not have the death penalty.
They’re a terrorist organisation and use terrorist methods. They don’t even care if Palestinians get killed. Can’t believe you’re equating them with Nelson Mandela 😂
Yep. Him and Winnie were infamous for putting tyres around the necks of their victims, filling the tyres with petrol, then lighting em up. Amnesty international wouldn’t go near him for a very long time. This came up in my Facebook memories a couple of days ago, the dude was a monster. Personally, I don’t think the ends justified the means, but I know they did for many, and I know for even more they don’t know the whole story…
It seems his wife Winnie was openly advocating for it while Mandela was in prison but I can’t find him associating with it.
Necklacing was used by the black community to punish its members who were perceived as collaborators with the apartheid government.[2] Necklacing was primarily used on black police informants; the practice was often carried out in the name of the struggle, although the executive body of the African National Congress (ANC), the most broadly supported South African opposition movement, condemned it.[3][4] In 1986, Winnie Mandela, then-wife of the imprisoned Nelson Mandela, and who herself had endured torture and four imprisonments to a total of two years,[5] stated, “With our boxes of matches, and our necklaces, we shall liberate this country”, which was widely seen as an explicit endorsement of necklacing.[6][7] This caused the ANC to initially distance itself from her,[8] although she later took on a number of official positions within the party.[8]
Do you have the actual list that shows this is part of their current "list of demands"?
I realize that was part of the Hamas charter, but that's a different beast than what sounds like their current list of demands. This would be an example of a ludicrous demand that is just for show rather than a serious negotiation.
In the Al Mawasi “humanitarian zone”, an area smaller than Heathrow which Israel had been advising all Gazans to move to, images showed crowds of people scrambling towards an aid distribution point.
It’s mentioned almost in passing, but we’re talking an area smaller than Heathrow, should house 2M people. It’s a miracle there aren’t more diseases going around already.
It’s okay, folks. Old white men are being well paid to discuss the problem at length, and will eat a full dinner before going to sleep in their safe, comfortable beds. Everything is normal.
This is probably just Set sexually assaulting Horus again, and Horus catching his semen and wiping it on some lettuce, which we all know is Set's favourite.* Things should calm down when they've settled it with a boat race, like they did last time.
Perfectly reasonable explanation. Not like these newer religions. Some of them claim to eat the flesh and drink the blood of their God, then sing songs about it. Or they're huge fans of cutting bits off boys' penises. Cannibalistic creeps and weirdos. Keep fighting with each other about their favourite demi-god. Why anyone takes them seriously is beyond me.
If only Loki could show up, transform in a female horse, and let the male horse from the other side fuck him and impregnate him…then we could all Sleipnir better at night.
The battle of Armageddon is one of those things that gets floated in abrahamic circles but isn’t really textually supported, mostly because it’s a prophecy that entered them from the outside, the prophecy originates in the aftermath of an especially gruesome battle fought between the Hittites and Egyptians. It was so brutal that the locals began saying that the next time something like that happened it would be the end of the world and the “prophecy” just spiraled from there.
It’s like the antichrist, yes some theological text is out there on the subject, yes there may be some vague “prophecies” about it, but if someone is significantly invested in it pertaining to near future events, they’re either a lunatic or someone who’s learned to make a steady living off the backs of lunatics.
They’re literally just death cultists, and I don’t mean like the fictionalised trope of worshippers of archliches and what not, I mean they worship the day of all ends and especially worship the notion that it will come soon and let them point and laugh at all the people who actually went about living in virtue regardless of if it would or wouldn’t happen, as the fucking book it’s loosely atested in intends for you to do.
I swear to god there is nothing more destructive you can bake into a religion or ideology than some vision of a prophetic future day of great upheaval and vindication, because then the adherents will develop a cancer of inactivity in doing the good work because, “hey, the day of prophecy is coming any day now! Why waste all this effort on building a world where it isn’t needed?”
To my understanding what you say gives an explanation on how these "prophecies" came to be and a very interesting analysis on death cultists. It is a comment that doesn't explain the statement:
Technically none of them
Within the bible (admittedly I am familiar with this text only, out of the three of) the apocalypse starts in the area, and for very good reasons since they all originated in West Asia. Of course we can argue for ages about toponyms and interpretations but technically you can find these relevant verses in the bible (if I remember correctly book of Ezekiel, Isaiah - please don't make me double-check lol).
In a few years you’ll have an entire generation of adult Palestinians that have lived under blockade in an open-air Gaza prison. It’s an apartheid and Israel is an apartheid state.
Treating people with that kind of barbarism creates a lot of anger and a lot of people are going to think they don’t have anything to lose by fighting back.
A lot of people thought the same thing about the Vietnamese. It’s a lot harder these days to wipe out an entire population than it was in the 1800’s, though not for lack of trying.
Historically nations that have wholly wiped out other nations of people have needed a pandemic that they’re immune to in order to accomplish it.
Yes, but it’s grown progressively much worse, particularly since they were blockaded 16 years ago.
I think the next Osama Bin Laden is currently hanging out somewhere in Palestine, and when they surface in the next decade or two, their manifesto will sound eerily similar to the one OBL wrote about the embargo the US placed on Iraq, which starved millions of people and led to the rise of Al Qaeda.
Bin Laden was actually a rich Saudi guy that gave up his life of riches to help fight the Afghan Muslims against the Russians who wanted to colonize Afghanistan.
Then when they defeated the Russians he turned against America because they were colonizing Palestine
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