2 wrongs don’t make a right. This will only end up with more duds scattered across the land.
They’re free to use them but they’ll have to clean up quickly and efficiently, and even then I think there will still be the odd dud. I’m sure civilians will be thankful that there’s an eye for an eye.
Actually it’s technically a part of Russia now. Hope they still help clean up in the case they lose the war. Though it is also the choice of the USA/NATO who provided those munitions in the first place. They’ll definitely also help clean up, right guys?
I’ve searched through a few of the countries that didn’t sign the convention and they either manufacture or have bought large stocks of cluster bombs (India, Argentina, US, and Brazil). The trend seems self evident.
I still don’t get why we are trying to justify unloading our backlog of dangerous cluster bombs onto Ukraine soil. Blood is on the hands of the lobbyists that wanted to clear out the warehouses full of cluster bombs. We can make more munitions that we have been sending, which will be less of a hazard to Ukrainian farmers.
Of the many reasons, one is that they are highly effective at killing entreched infantry, which is the majority of the entire frontline. Artillary rounds that explode on impact or fragment in the air are safer for whoever inherits the land, but it take many more times the amount of those rounds to accomplish the same saturation as cluster munitions. This is a sad fact.
You’re right though, if Russian farmers get the land they will be bothered by both sides cluster bomblets, probably killed. Ukrainian farmers might be happy to have the land at all.
Ukrainian farmers will be happy to have land that will kill them? This self gas lighting is insane. How about taking off a billion off the lend lease debt everytime a Ukranian dies from unexploded cluster bombs then?
I’m not sure I have an opinion on affirmative action generally, but it strikes me that it will be difficult if not impossible for the two camps to find middle ground on the issue - because ensuring equality of treatment and equity of outcomes are probably mutually exclusive.
Said differently, I can see how you can either truly treat everyone the same, or try to make sure everyone has equality of opportunity/outcome, and to be sure both are individually a reasonable goal on paper.
The problem is, they can’t both be true. Either everyone has the same treatment, which doesn’t solve the problem of some people starting the race far behind the starting line; or the system tries to compensate for disadvantages, which inherently means that not all participants are afforded the same treatment.
That is quite patronizing towards those students. Basically saying that they aren’t as smart as white people. Oh how all this woke crap comes full circle
The fact that they chose to report those claims in itself is part of their bias. Those kind of stories will always pop up if you give certain people platforms. Factual journalism would have required investigating the credibility of the claims before broadcasting them to the world.
No, it wouldn’t. Journalists report on the content of upcoming lawsuits all the time. It’s up for the law courts to decided the validity of legal claims being made, not the media.
There are millions lawsuits in the US being filed every year. A certain number are absolute nonsense. Filing a lawsuit does not mean jack in and of itself and as such should not be reported on unless elements of credibility can at the very least be ascertained.
The courts will decide based on their own data and laws, but that does not mean journalists should not verify if the information they are broadcasting has at the very least a shred of credibility. Else you are just picking and choosing propaganda to broadcast.
Why do you believe it’s factual simply from reading the complaint? The Daily Telegraph does no follow-ups, interviews, or fact-checking (what we in the business might call “journalism”). It simply reports on the complaint and cowardly allows you to draw your own conclusions.
So we must ask: why did a right-wing propaganda outlet report this so uncritically? They have a well-established lack of interest in journalism. So what purpose was served by publishing this article and in this way?
This is why I posted it’s a bad source, and this is the problem with bad sources. Even the “factual” articles they publish are purposefully misleading at best… and total misrepresentations at worst.
It’s factual because it accurately reported the claims made in the lawsuit. Journalists do this all the time.
Obviously the Telegraph chose to publish this story because it appeals to the political leanings of their readership, but virtually all newspapers do that to a certain degree.
It seems you have fallen into the trap of automatically dismissing the source/article as “propaganda” because its political viewpoint differs from your own.
No, bad sources do this all the time. Actual journalists from good sources do things like:
Interview people!
Check sources and their reputability!
Discover facts!
Has any of that been done here? Why do you suppose not?
Obviously the Telegraph chose to publish this story because it appeals to the political leanings of their readership, but virtually all newspapers do that to a certain degree.
Because some sources are biased, we must accept a source as massively and obviously biased as the Daily Telegraph? Take your flimsy equivocation fallacies elsewhere. We can draw a line, and that line should certainly exclude places as bad as the Daily Telegraph.
It seems you have fallen into the trap of automatically dismissing the source/article as “propaganda” because its political viewpoint differs from your own.
No… I’m dismissing it because the Daily Telegraph is a bad source and it only publishes articles to serve its own purposes, which have nothing to do with truth or facts. Its political leanings are obviously horrible and idiotic but have nothing to do with the simple fact that they are a bad source.
If you think journalists routinely delve into extensive, detailed investigations based off a simple press release then I would say you’ve been watching too many movies.
I somehow doubt that you hold media sources that align with your own political persuasions to such exacting scrutiny.
Did I say anything about an extensive, detailed investigation? Does it appear they did literally any work, even up to and including picking up the nearest telephone and calling… well, basically anyone?
(Here’s a secret, me to you; I bet they did do that and they didn’t like what they uncovered. It’s okay though, they decided not to publish it.)
Not sure what sources I consume have anything to do with the quality of the Daily Telegraph. If I got my daily news from Sesame Street, would that suddenly make the Daily Telegraph an acceptable source?
Pppffff in what world is resisting an invasion by a much larger country with a larger military for over a year, a defeat? Even if Ukraine settles, they won this war.
Last I read, Ukraine was switching to new and better weapons and Russia was resorting to older tanks and pensioners. I’ve never heard of anyone winning a war with last centuries’ weapons.
I love how it ends with a discussion of how evil emperor Xi will be gloating in his crystal palace as he plots his imperialist take over of the indo-pacfic…
The same Indo-Pacific that actual imperialists, like the UK, France, US, Holland, Portugal, Spain, and yes, even Japan, actually took over, dominated, colonized, genocided, war crimed, and broke. The same region that is still trying to recover from the long military occupations and the continuous imperialism of the North Atlantic that still to this day makes it nearly impossible for its inhabitants to govern themselves, develop their nations, and reestablish their cultures after suffering massive and extended disruption.
But, it’s Xi that’s the imperialist for daring to say the US and other North Atlantians shouldn’t be occupying, infiltrating, extracting, and spoiling the region, that war ships constantly patrolling the Indo-Pacific isn’t merely inappropriate but actually must stop for the region to be able to develop itself independently.
I’m with you until that last sentence. Letting China dominate the region for untold years is not a solution. I’m not saying the US or the “North Atlantians” are angles, no one is. But I strongly believe the correct choice of action is always going to be to maintain peace if at all possible. And currently it is by deterring China from taking Taiwan and growing their sphere of influence in violent ways.
LOL. Maintaining peace? Like the East Turkistan project of training terrorists? Like collective punishment through sanctions? Like organizing coups, funding violent right-wing movements, assassinating political leaders? These are literally things the US has done in just the last 5 years.
The North Atlantians are literally global belligerents. They have been for 500 years, non stop. They have killed hundreds of millions of people to fuel and maintain their expansion and dominance.
The world needs to contain the North Atlantic and stop their reign of terror. Not the other way around.
Not arguing against that. But guaranteeing the freedom of Taiwan is a good thing. And for that to be effective/credible you must have a military presence. Very little is black and white.
No, guaranteeing the freedom of Taiwan is not a good thing. You clearly have no idea of the history and politics at work.
Imagine the Confederacy, supported by France and England, managed to flee to Galveston Island off the coast of Texas. Imagine there were still Native American tribes there. Imagine the Confederates, mostly of Scottish, English, and French origin, killed most of the native people living on the island and set about building a Confederate society there that they could use to eventually attack the Union again. Imagine the Union wants to go after and get final surrender from the Confederacy, but the English and the French being their war boats in to intervene, negotiate with the Confederacy, arm them, offer them protection, and then spend decades building them up as a legitimate alternative to the Union, building their economy, arming and training them, and propagandizing them and the whole world.
That’s Taiwan. Will get incorporated into mainland China. It has to. It’s a security threat otherwise, because it’s only reason for existence as a separate entity is literally for war. And the existential belligerent enemies of China are using Taiwan to advance their belligerence. Worse, the belligerent North Atlantians are willing to send every person on Taiwan into a meat grinder if it means weakening China and advancing North Atlantic goals.
Your position is built entirely on propaganda, false beliefs, and ignorance.
This is a lot of words and still you completely botch the analogy. Instead, you might suppose that the Confederacy had prevailed in their rebellion and that the democratically elected President Lincoln and the remaining Northern army had fled.
In reality, the government of Taiwan is the real “China”. Mainland Taiwan is populated by angry traitors.
Your position is built entirely on propaganda, false beliefs, and ignorance.
😂🤣😂 Classic. I’d link you to the Wikipedia article for your own education, but I’m sure that’s blocked for you.
Holy shit you’re full of propaganda. Dude, I am a white settler colonist born and raised in America. Read some fucking Chinese history. The Kuomintang lost the civil war. It doesn’t matter who you agree with or who you think the traitors are. The civil war was fought and won. And if you want to figure out “who the baddies were” just look at who the Europeans supported. Because the Europeans clearly demonstrated over 200 years that their interests are diametrically opposed to the Chinese people.
Just because you say it louder and more desperately doesn’t make it true 😂🤣🤣.
The civil war was fought and won.
I’m glad you feel that way. Because, by your own rule of might Taiwan is an independent country since mainland Taiwan can’t take the island. It’s been 75 years. The war is over. Get over it. You lost. Taiwans sovereignty has been decided and must be protected.
Anyway, best of luck in your future astroturfing endeavors. Maybe try and do better than impotent threats and accusations.
This article has no other reasoning for negotiated concessions becoming the more likely outcome other than, “winter is coming”. This is just a doom reader fluff piece.
Ukraine is losing less men in their counter offensive than when they were defending the front, are receiving more weaponry and ammunition than ever before, and have been training on western military hardware for months that is soon to hit the battlefield. Sure the winter is going to slow Ukrainian advance, but this isn’t the 1940’s. Artillery, air support, and mortars can all reach further than ever before with near pinpoint accuracy.
Also Russia has no experience advantage in dealing with their winter vs. Ukraine. Russian winter was an issue for France and Germany in large part because they didn't understand what they were dealing with. It's Ukraine's home turf. They know what winter means for them and are prepared for it.
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