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SirToxicAvenger , to news in Hamas blocks foreign nationals from leaving Gaza

I wonder what percentage of their rapidly diminishing military might is being used to block foreigners from leaving? seems like a poor allocation of resources… unless there’s something they dont want the foreigners to tell the outside world?

downpunxx ,
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"palestianians". use. human. fucking. shields. fuck. fuck. fuck. fuck. fuck.

nutsack ,

oh, ok. ok. ok. ok. ok.

Kashbus ,

not incorrect, but it’s a common tactic used in Asymmetrical Warfare that is seen in the Levant when one side dwarf the other in conventional military size and strength

is it honorable? no, but it one of the few tactics hamas has in operating against Israel

downpunxx ,
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Fuck You

Kashbus ,

very nice

tocopherol ,
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Israel will strike an area and kill hundreds of people. If there are males 16-30 killed they will say they were militants often, and that the civilians were collateral damage due to the use of proximity shielding. They do not go in and verify whether or not the people killed were militants. This is an age old tactic, the US would do the same to shift blame for atrocities in Iraq and Afghanistan.

DAMunzy ,

I know as far back as the Vietnam War too. I’m sure even before that

snek ,
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From the footage at Rafah, feels like hundreds of foreign nationals are gathered waiting an okay from Israel and Egypt. I don’t see WHY Hamas would even care to stop Palestinian Americans from leaving to the states.

GratefullyGodless ,
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Hamas intends to use those people as leverage to get their home countries to exert pressure on Israel. Hamas is basically taking them hostage.

tocopherol ,
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Is there any source for that idea, or that this is actually happening? The only source for this article are US officials, who are full-throated allies of Israel, so there likely could be a bias. Telegraph is widely known as biased.

snek ,
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I have failed to find any statement made by Egypt to confirm this.

GratefullyGodless ,
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I’m just saying that a group that has taken ACTUAL hostages certainly isn’t above using foreign nationals as quasi-hostages to pressure other countries to exert influence on Israel to get them to stop shelling Gaza.

snek ,
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Home counties?

snek ,
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No evidence for that though

PhlubbaDubba ,

They don’t see the Palestinians, they see the Americans, and Americans are hostages and also decadents who deserve being knocked down a peg

snek ,
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Hmmm… Pretty sure the majority of those looked like American Palestinians. They are not bargaining chips since not even their own government cared enough to lift a finger and get them out.

Kusimulkku ,

Meatshield

snek , (edited )
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It’s not like that stops Israel from butchering civilians anyway, so again how does this work?


To downvoters: It’s a fact that Israel is killing civilians while trying to kill Hamas fighters. After killing nearly 8.5k civilians, they got maybe a couple of dozen of Hamas fighters “dead”, but how would they even be able to confirm it when they aren’t in Gaza? It’s a known indisputable fact that the so-called “human shield” used by Hamas has never stopped and will never stop Israel from shooting or bombing the civlian population.

But again, it’s because “proximity shielding” is something countries made up so they can do genocide or accomplish whatever urban warfare goal while at the same time not giving a single fuck about the lives of civilians or hostages in that area.

danhakimi ,

Their intent is that by their "martyring" Palestinian civilians, they'll be able to use their deaths as PR against Israel.

Yes, that is a cynical take. That's how Hamas operates.

snek ,
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I think there was no intent. I think Israel used proximity shielding like the US did as an excuse to kill civilians.

danhakimi ,

why do you people think Israel wants to kill civilians? Do you really think the IDF is just hundreds of thousands of monsters who love killing? What is wrong with you people?

snek ,
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Because it keeps doing so, documented by far too many human rights organizations and bodies already for nothing to have changed.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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Right now, the Israelis are bombing the Rafah crossing and blaming Hamas for the dead.

snek ,
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Pretty much, yes. In fact they have caused road problems on two occasions that took days of repair.

nova_ad_vitum ,

It’s not like they ever had a chance of winning considering their definition of winning is driving the Jews into the sea. Their whole purpose is to fuck shit up and cause maximum damage and this makes sense in that context.

SirToxicAvenger ,

that’s their endgame? how does that work when they’re surrounded on all sides (counting the sea)?

Meowoem ,

If you want an actual answer they want the Islamic world to unite and kill everyone else, it’s been a pretty constant theme for a while now from middle Eastern terror groups.

That’s why the fundamentalists in change (and not living in Gaza) wanted to commit an attack Israel could not ignore, nation’s like Saudi Arabia and Jordan we’re getting on too well with Israel and that would ruin their chances for a middle Eastern caliphate…

SirToxicAvenger ,

ah, a pipe dream then. gotcha. yeah, caliphates arent going to make a comeback.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

Not while America is willing to invade and bomb anyone that tries, and everyone around them when they do.

Meowoem ,

Yes, they’re funding terrorism based on an absurd pipedream that they use to maintain their own power, sadly a very common story.

Thief_of_Crows ,

Pretty sure their definition of winning is not getting genocide by said Jews

Guydht ,

Then think again. They literally say what their goal is - a forceful end to Israel. And that nothing less will be enough - and that they’ll keep killing civilians until that goal is met.

AstridWipenaugh ,

Hamas doesn’t need to do anything. All they have to do is say nobody’s getting out, which means the IDF can assume anyone running towards the exit is a terrorist making an attack. I think any foreign nationals that would ever travel to Gaza know better than to approach Israeli forces for help.

If there’s anyone that doesn’t want the outside world to know what’s up, ask the folks who recently cut off internet access to Gaza. Who was it? It wasn’t Hamas.

Guydht ,

Do you seriously think Israel shut off internet to hide what’s inside? Do you know satellites exist? Do you know cameras exist? How in the world was that preventing anyone from seeing into Gaza?

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  • Guydht ,

    Try to think as an army for just a second. When you send your troops into unknown territory which is 100% trapped, you wanna confuse your enemy. And shutting communication is exactly that.

    It absolutely fails at hiding what’s going on in Gaza from being revealed, but it *50% succeeds in making their enemies blind during their attack. It’s just a military tactic. A proven and effective one.

    Linkerbaan ,
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    None. This is the Telegraph a known israeli propaganda outlet. Israel is literally bombing the border crossing and this newspaper is telling you that Hamas is the one responsible for it.

    FrostbyteIX , to news in Israel’s ‘Teddy Bear’ armoured bulldozer is anything but cuddly
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    Killdozer II: The Revenge.

    TokenBoomer OP ,

    😛

    Gork ,

    Heemeyer (the Killdozer man) was unfairly publicized in the media at the time. He didn’t kill anyone and only targeted property that he perceived as owned by those who wronged him.

    Cheradenine ,

    Did you mean to post this in r/bestestgunnitweekend ?

    CluckN ,

    He shot at cops

    WindyRebel ,

    MEGAWEAPON! MEGAWEAPON! MEGAWEAPON!

    AllonzeeLV , to news in Israel’s ‘Teddy Bear’ armoured bulldozer is anything but cuddly

    “What genocide? This is just a regular ol’ undeveloped vacant lot!

    This area was empty when we got here.”

    roastedDeflator , to news in Israel’s ‘Teddy Bear’ armoured bulldozer is anything but cuddly

    @TokenBoomer do you perhaps know a way to skip the subscription part in order to view the article?

    TokenBoomer OP ,

    MSN link

    roastedDeflator ,

    Thank you so much!

    TokenBoomer OP ,

    You don’t get the cool animation though. I thought it was important to get Rachel Corrie’s story out there.

    Frog-Brawler , to news in Hamas blocks foreign nationals from leaving Gaza
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    As an atheist, I’ve generally avoided that area of the world. I’m quite happy to not be directly involved in this stupidity.

    downpunxx ,
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    cowards like you said the same thing while they were shipping jews to auschwitz in cattle cars. nothing ever changes.

    TinyPizza ,
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    No need to ship em anywhere if you have them all surrounded in a prison called Gaza and drop death on em. ^Say's the coward that complains about people being able to see your racist and fascistic posts after you block them. "why can't I say these horrific things without anyone dissenting!"

    Cjwii ,

    Oh yes, the old “I’m an atheist so I avoid Germany” argument we’ve all heard a thousand times

    Frog-Brawler ,
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    I’m a coward?

    Bruno_Myers ,
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    being against Israel doesn’t mean you hate Jews you fucking weirdo

    nova_ad_vitum ,

    Nazis were explicitly Christian lol

    Sparlock ,

    Netanyahu said “You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible. 1 Samuel 15:3 ‘Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass’," .

    Who’s doing an auschwitz again?

    TopRamenBinLaden ,

    Nazi Germany was overwhelmingly Christian. The athiests of the time were fighting or contributing to the war efforts of their country just like every other person was. There just wasn’t too many openly atheistic people due to the discrimination at the time.

    downpunxx , to news in Hamas blocks foreign nationals from leaving Gaza
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    "Palestinians" never met a human shield they wouldn't call their own

    TinyPizza ,
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    Fun fact! ^He puts Palestinians in quotation marks because he doesn't believe they have any right to the land, can't claim it as a real country and because he thinks none of them are civilians and are actually all terrorists. The more you know!

    snek ,
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    Imagine if we put “Israelis” or “Jews” between quotes like that. What would be their reaction?

    Limitless_screaming ,
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    No one is an "Israeli". They're either a Jewish citizen of Palestine, an outsider in Palestine, or a disgusting settler living in someone else's house (not even human).

    snek ,
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    Of course they are human. Humans take other people’s homes, too.

    And while I agree with your overall point, I don’t think it’s helpful to deny anyone their identity. Israelis are citizens of Israel and they and their government have a chance to set this all right and not be a goddamn apartheid ethnostate.

    roo , to news in Hamas blocks foreign nationals from leaving Gaza
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    Is the Telegraph a good source for info on this?

    gedaliyah OP ,
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    Deceptichum ,
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    The Torygraph is a step up from the lowest tier tabloid.

    fubo , to world in Mexicans loot shops after Hurricane Otis devastates Acapulco

    “Looting” is taking luxury items, TVs, jewelry, etc.

    Taking food, sanitary supplies, bottled water, etc. from destroyed stores is “salvaging”.

    drunkenmonkie2 ,

    I mean they’re doing both. Not that I think theres anything wrong with looting from big corporations like walmart.

    echodot ,

    The bare essentials only. Water, cand food, a PS5, antibiotics, gas.

    SirToxicAvenger ,

    eh… it’s stealing any way you look at it. it’s not like they’re tracking down the shop owner and paying them for the “salvaged” goods…

    Birdie ,

    This exact thing will happen when society collapses, and we will all call it survival of the fittest.

    What would you have these poor people do? Sit on top of the rumble of their homes and watch their kids die of thirst and hunger? Watch them suffer from open wounds? Or take some water, some canned foods, antibiotic cream and gauze from a fully insured store?

    The ones taking tvs and things like that are foolish, at least in the short term, but they may be able to trade those items for supplies later.

    medicsofanarchy ,
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    I wonder if Walmart would have been smart to prepare survival items ahead of time, put it out on the curb, and say “Here, take this.” Anything past that would be theft of course, but Walmart could get positive PR for “donating” stuff they were going to lose anyway.

    oldGregg ,

    Then stealing is okay sometimes

    Birdie , to world in Mexicans loot shops after Hurricane Otis devastates Acapulco

    In other news: see what happens after every devastating hurricane. Anyone else remember Katrina?

    Desistance ,
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    I remember Andrew. The same thing happened. The U.S. Army eventually stepped in and made bi weekly supply deliveries in coordinaton with the National Guard. Back in those days the Red Cross was complete garbage.

    Montagge , to world in Mexicans loot shops after Hurricane Otis devastates Acapulco
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    Well it would be weird if Hungarians were doing it

    slaacaa ,

    Lopunk mi eleget máshol

    Naminreb , to world in Mexicans loot shops after Hurricane Otis devastates Acapulco

    Much like with Katrina, Acapulco has been completely destroyed.

    Unlike Katrina, there’s absolutely zero support for the people of Acapulco. The Army or the Navy didn’t get there. There were no shelters. No food distribution, no local or state government.

    While the Red Cross was able to get there, the government is now saying they won’t let humanitarian relief get there, and only the army will help…of course, the army wasn’t even able to get the president to Acapulco, because the idiot decided to go by land…and hit stuck in mud.

    Homes in Acapulco are not insured, and the fund for disasters that the coincided to have to help in situations like this has been depleted.

    I don’t condone stealing…but there are no food supplies and people needed to get something. The looters that took TVs, and such…personally I thought it was stupid…and then I realized something: In a video someone yelled: “Walmart is insured…”. These people know they have lost it all, and they will never get it back. There ways of providing for their family are gone. As a human, I don’t blame them from wanting to get back something…I think it’s kind of dumb…but now I get why they did it. Walmart will get paid, but their life’s are ruined.

    veganpizza69 , to world in Mexicans loot shops after Hurricane Otis devastates Acapulco
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    Number1SummerJam , to world in Mexicans loot shops after Hurricane Otis devastates Acapulco
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    What else are you supposed to do when you have no food because your house was destroyed and all the stores are closed?

    JustZ , (edited ) to world in Pilot who ‘tried to shut off engines mid-flight was high on magic mushrooms’
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    Oh great way to fuck it up for everyone else.

    In case anyone is unclear this is not how mushrooms work. Even on an insanely high dose you are not going to hallucinate concocted scenarios that aren’t really happening. It makes colors brighter, sounds more clear, and and occasionally makes straight lines seem squiggly or faces seem pixelated. That’s it.

    One time I read about a case where the guy thought his neighbor’s house was on fire and broke a window with a fire extinguisher. That makes more sense, maybe he saw an orange light and the mushrooms made it look like it was flickering.

    ShieldsUp ,

    Sir, I have seen my entire living room melt before my eyes, and the size of objects was so distorted I thought I had shrunk below my furniture. I heard voices all night from the outside thinking someone had found me. I also wandered outside and fell in love with the grass and the midnight dew but thought I was in a different world. I’ve also completely lost my vision due to visions and globs/blobs of color and realized it can completely remove you from reality and provide a solid ego death. I was riding rainbows and did not recognize a single object around me.

    I don’t think you are giving them enough credit, although I am also skeptical depending on the dosage.

    JustZ ,
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    How old were you? I understand younger people have more vivid hallucinations. Thinking back, did you know where you were and what you were actually doing? I’ve had 12 grams, basically a triple dose, out of self loathing, and at no time was I not fully aware of where I was and what was happening around me. The difference was one of intensity of emotional perception and slightly more vivid color and texture effects. Part of the euphoria is from knowing that those fuzzy bright colors you see are not real, you don’t actually believe the fuzzy colors are there. That would be something.

    ShieldsUp ,

    It happened one of my first times around 14 years old, and it has happened a few times in my late 20’s and early 30’s. I’ve had homegrown, foraged, and store bought with similar intense experiences. I think people get hit wildly different if you are taking 12 grams, holy shit! I would never. I certainly have lost all track of what was real and where I was with lower doses than that. I believe you, but have experienced much more intense results myself with less than 12 grams. There was no understanding of reality in different scenarios.

    JustZ ,
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    Well I stand corrected then. I’ve never had that sort of experience.

    whostosay ,

    Mushrooms are different, weight does not always have a direct relationship with how potent they are, prolly a better way to word this. Some people are also hypo/hyper sensitive, blood sugar plays a role. A lot of variables, the hardest I’ve ever tripped was on about 1.5 grams, and I usually eat around 3. Ive never been on the level described above, but have had experiences that were absolutely on their way to it. With enough psychedelics, it’s certainly possible.

    JustZ ,
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    Same, my friends and I who partake have never had a trip like that.

    It’s always about more euphoria sensation and shedding pent up emotion, but we’re all old people.

    TwanHE ,

    Idk what shrooms you got but 12g would be quite a light dose, although that depends on bodyweight, tolerance and how much psilocybine your strain contains ofcourse.

    But yeah from 30g onwards the lines between real and visuals becomes blurry.

    RekcuffuckeR ,

    He probably means dried shrooms. 4g would be a normal-high dose

    TwanHE ,

    Ah, haven’t had those so I’m not sure how much the weight differs.

    But I’m guessing it’s about 4 to 1?

    JustZ ,
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    12g dried, pulverized to fine powder, and melted into milk chocolate sous vide.

    If anyone ever reading this is thinking about making shroom chocolate, melt it sous vide to retain all the moisture and texture of milk chocolate instead of that dry, crumbly shroom chocolate.

    RekcuffuckeR ,

    It’s about 10 to 1

    JustZ ,
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    The recommended dose for people is 4 to 6 g. Of course it depends on how it’s prepared.

    st0v ,

    shrooms can be a bit of a dice room on visuals.

    once boiled up half a shopping bag of shrooms and split the tea with one friend.

    There were infinite moments where the fabric of space time twisted up into the cosmos believably revealing to me a path into the heavens. I had to control my breathing otherwise the torrent of everyday objects flowing past me would move too quickly for me to get enough traction.

    I once had three tiny died shrooms, and a bong hit disconnected my soul from my body and transferring me into an ancient dog sleeping in the sun on a wide open field in the wilderness. the entire thing seemed to go for eons but collapsed back into my living room in and instant when some rang the doorbell.

    Then I’ve had shrooms where the trip was extremely profound and emotional but the only visual was the leaves of the trees just looked a bit brighter and more flappy in wind or some swirly clouds of colors bouncing around my hifi speakers.

    thefloweracidic , to world in Pilot who ‘tried to shut off engines mid-flight was high on magic mushrooms’

    I hate how idiots become the representation of what people want to control and destroy.

    I can’t read the article but,

    Joseph Emerson, who was off-duty at the time, was restrained by Alaska Airlines cabin crew after he tried to open an emergency exit

    This headline is straight up propaganda then.

    hassanmckusick ,

    The headline is propaganda but not for that reason.

    Dude was in the cockpit and pulled the fuel cutoff valves for the plane. The pilot and copilot kicked him out of the cockpit and re-engaged the fuel pumps and continued flying. Dude ran up to the fight attendants and told them that they need to handcuff him. Then he tried to open the emergency exit.

    It’s propaganda because he said he took the mushrooms 40 hours ago they don’t last that long and he was also sleep deprived and emotionally unstable due to the recent death of a friend

    thefloweracidic ,

    Thank you for this!

    Tvkan ,

    This headline is straight up propaganda then.

    That’s called a lie, not propaganda.

    thefloweracidic ,

    Propaganda and lies can be one in the same?

    Tvkan ,

    They can be, but that doesn’t make them completely interchangeable.

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