It breaks immersion if the guy you hire as “weird hobo that dwells in your garden” to show off to your upper class friends is seen outside that context.
Yeah that was always one of the weirder sides of the Patriarchy, establishing naming conventions like the suffix -ess being female but still giving the title High Priestess of Athena Polias to a man.
The weirdos crusading against bloat helped keep distros light weight and performant decades on. It allowed a linux distro to fly on older hardware that was bogged down by newer linux versions. The legacy to this day is that WMs like KDE can actually be fairly light weight and there is still attention paid to not using a lot of resources.
Nowadays I feel like the complainers dont even have a consistent definition of what bloat is and it ranges from command line only users who know theyre crazy and niche but speak up anyway, to people who are just upset if a distros ships with basic default tools like an image viewer or something that opens text files or videos, or drivers.
The whole thing is also silly with how much cheaper ram and storage have gotten. Even moreso because the distro and WM isnt the limiting issue. Yes you can still run a KDE based distro with 2gigs of ram, but as soon as you open your web browser and visit the modern internet the dozen high definition images that load in and videos and javascript.
Even my supposedly “big” Ubuntu install is just 40GB. It has Wayland AND Xorg X11, multiple JDKs, Netbeans, Blender, some Games, even some snaps. My Music folder is almost as big. Together they use only 9% of my 1TB SSD. I back them up onto a 1TB USB stick.
What’s the size of your actual root though?
My root is only ~8.9GB and I have basically all the same stuff you do. Well except for snaps, those are yucky.
Now, imagine being, let’s say 50 years old, and losing your career. You previous job that you have been doing for 20 years is gone. And soon your home and possessions are too.
Do you have time to go back to school to learn a new skill and then start from the bottom again? And by the time you are done retraining, will anybody hire a 50 to 55 year old rookie when they can get a younger person for less money instead?
It’s easy to say, “Just move and do something else” when you are 20. But the older you get it becomes very difficult to nearly impossible for a large number of people to do so. Not everyone can be retrained and there are few low skills jobs these days.
I bet a number of those jobs had transferrable skills. “Cigarette Girl” likely had sales and customer service skills. “Toad Doctor” may have either moved on to small amphibians, or something with crystals.
Some do, some don’t. And not all people can be retrained for a new and different job. That takes time, money, and aptitude, which is something not everyone has.
There was a time when coal mines were being shut down - a good thing right?. And 1000’s of miners were losing their jobs left and right and families were homeless and starving. Whole towns and cities were losing population as jobs were lost. The economic impact was felt up and down “Main Street”.
There was a large cry that something must be done! An idea took hold that we should retrain all these coal miners for a new career. The Federal government even got involved with educational grants. The idea was to train people to code because well, the world needed a lot of coders, the pay was good, and the miners would have a better life - A win for all. And everyone in the rest of the world felt good about it and went back to their lives.
Turns out, coal miners don’t really have a suitable and transferable skill set to learn coding. Nor is it very effective to teach a 50 year old how to code from scratch. And even if you were one of the lucky few to manage succeed at it, now AI threatens your livelihood.
The moral of the story is: Things change, the world changes. There are a lot fewer places large numbers of people can go to so they can start over. The skills barrier is a lot higher than it was when “cigarette girls” were a thing and that barrier just gets higher everyday. And frankly, not many cigarette girls were capable of learning the newest skills to get a different and hopefully better job. So now what do we do?
But the “smart” people are always willing to tell others what to do - it’s their job you know.
And I wouldn’t hold your breath about “safety nets” anytime soon. Resources aren’t unlimited and greed to prevent that net is eternal.
And government tends to not do broad social policy well. They are stuck with “one size fits all” solutions out of necessity. And the more granular those polices get, the more byzantine the rules get. Plus by the time there is wide social approval to do something, the moment has passed and the world is now worse off.
Shuttering whole industries quickly, (a generation or less time frame), is how you create a huge population of “angry refugees” without homes or jobs as they try to move to other places to try and not starve. This seldom works out well for anyone.
The tried and true methods humanity has historically used to solve social upheaval are: Starvation and death where you are at. Moving to new lands that have few to no one else living there. War to eliminate surplus populations.
Since no one wants to starve where they are and there are currently no new lands to settle, my money at this moment is on War. It will, unfortunately, solve a lot of current issues caused by excess populations - at least for a while.
“Cigarette Girl” likely had sales and customer service skills.
I don’t know about that. They stood with trays of cigarettes in clubs. It’s about as much of a customer service skill as people selling peanuts in the stands at a baseball game.
Hi, that’s me now that everyone has access to a video editor. Even though most of them don’t understand how to use it properly. They don’t think they need people with actual editing skills anymore. I’m 46. The last job I had involved checking designs for quality control issues at a company where mostly businesses ordered a personalized product with their own art on it. It paid nothing. I’m kind of fucked, especially since I’ll now have a gap in my resume because I had to leave to put my daughter through online school. If she stays in online school until she graduates, I’ll be “out of work” for five years. At that point, no one is going to be a video editor anymore. I can’t go back to school when I’m 51!
Bloat is one of the last thing I worry about in a distro honestly, Maybe just because I’m a newer user and compared to Windows 10 out of the box even the most bloated distros seem pretty slim.
Because these people are trying to get an OS running on 15 year old dumpster dived laptops. It's kind of a Linux thing to get it running usably on the biggest old piece of shit you can find. I've done similar myself with a Pentium II machine from the late 90s in 2015.
People with modern multiple cores and dozens of GB of RAM are not usually worried about these things.
Honestly fedora with i3 runs well enough on my pentium 4 laptop. It just overheats in summer sometimes. I am thinking about trying LFS on my desktop one day though. That would probably be the least bloat possible for a setup that I’m happy with and I could make fun of arch users.
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