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valid , to lemmyshitpost in Desperate for changing, starving for truth...
XEAL ,

In case anyone’s courious, this guy was spamming his personal shitty website everywhere

valid , to lemmyshitpost in Ideas
rtxn , to linuxmemes in I respect people who don't like snaps, but Canonical will not abandon a successful project

successful project

That is a very biased claim. It’s like saying that the PS5 is the most successful gaming platform because God Of War: Ragnarök and Ghost Of Tsushima players prefer it over Xbox and PC.

starman2112 ,
@starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

Did they say it’s the most successful project? Because Sony saying that the PS5 is a successful platform because players prefer it over other options doesn’t seem biased at all. It’s just an objective statement of fact

tsugu OP ,
@tsugu@slrpnk.net avatar

If you go to snapcraft.io, you can see snap being installed on many other distributions other than Ubuntu. It will not show you the exact numbers, but people willingly install it on their machines. I think that’s successful.

rtxn , (edited )

I don’t think “there exists an unknown number of non-Ubuntu machines with snap installed” is a valid metric when the general sentiment seems to be apathy. It’s popular for the same reason Internet Explorer was popular – it’s forcibly installed with the default OS.

If the numbers were favorable, Canonical would release them.

tsugu OP ,
@tsugu@slrpnk.net avatar

What is the “general sentiment” tho? Sure, on Lemmy and Reddit communities I usually see people hate Snaps, but that’s just a few thousands of people. Another metric of success could be developers maintaining their software as snaps. You will find that quite a lot of them do so.

rtxn ,

I said “apathy”, not “negative”. The people who dislike snap have likely moved to other distributions, and I don’t see any widespread praise considering Ubuntu’s market share within the Linux ecosystem, so the most likely answer is that people either don’t know or don’t care about snap.

Whether or not an application is packaged as a snap is also a poor indication. Most of the software used in Ubuntu still comes from an APT repo, mostly official or sometimes a PPA. Many developers distribute their software exclusively as flatpaks, appimages, or binaries. Shit, Valve even recommends against using the snap version of Steam. By using your standard, snap would be considered an abject failure.

Rustmilian , (edited )
@Rustmilian@lemmy.world avatar

Snap doesn’t really even have as many applications packaged as people think. Snap’s package count is often touted as being much higher than Flatpak’s. However, this is misleading, as Snap allows the inclusion of many command-line interface (CLI) only packages that aren’t well-suited for containerization.
The inclusion of these CLI-only packages drastically inflates Snap’s overall package count, while Flatpak does not include as many standalone CLI tools.
Furthermore, packaging CLI tools as Snap or Flatpak packages doesn’t really make much sense. A huge amount of CLI tools were never intended to be used inside a containerized environment like Snap. As a result, there will likely be compatibility issues and unsupported edge cases.
Additionally, there are already established universal packaging standards for CLI tools, such as Nix and Homebrew. These packaging systems are better suited for distributing standalone CLI applications compared to containerized formats like Snap and Flatpak.

chemical_cutthroat , to lemmyshitpost in Ideas
@chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world avatar

This is just inaccurate…

Track_Shovel OP ,

Since when do shitposts need to be accurate?

chemical_cutthroat ,
@chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world avatar

If the name was actually Napoleon, or if it used the traditional French recipe in the image to mimic the flag, I would give it a pass as a good shit post, but it’s Neapolitan, and it’s using the American recipe, so it’s not even tangentially funny. It’s just a bad shit post, and not in a good way. Sorry chief, try again.

Track_Shovel OP ,

,https://slrpnk.net/pictrs/image/9f5edb2f-da11-4c28-ac8e-e9af273d5f22.webp

I post a lot. They can’t all be winners, given how diverse of an audience this platform is.

Soup ,

I think it’s funny, and a great joke in that we don’t say “neopolitan” very often so I could 1,000% see someone call it “Napoliatin” ice cream or something. There’s still a layer of “truth” to make the joke quality. It’s a shitpost with layers.

Soup ,

Damn, bro. How do I return my laugh? Is there a department I have to talk speak to or a mail-in form or something?

lugal ,

The meme is in the comments

TseseJuer ,

you must have a very sad life. please get some help bro you will be in our thoughts and prayers

essell ,

Damn. I’m going to have to find a new source of education if we can’t trust memes

Track_Shovel OP ,

No pls don’t. We don’t want you learning anything now.

simplejack ,
@simplejack@lemmy.world avatar

Looks like a shit post to me. I will allow it.

chemical_cutthroat ,
@chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world avatar

Who died and made you… Oh.

brokenlcd ,
Naja_Kaouthia ,
@Naja_Kaouthia@lemmy.world avatar

That looks a lot like spekkoek.

brokenlcd ,
TseseJuer ,

LOL bro

krippix , to linuxmemes in I respect people who don't like snaps, but Canonical will not abandon a successful project

snap (especially firefox beeing one) made me an arch user

zecg , to linuxmemes in I respect people who don't like snaps, but Canonical will not abandon a successful project
@zecg@lemmy.world avatar

I know why I hate snap, no confusion here.

Rentlar , to linuxmemes in I respect people who don't like snaps, but Canonical will not abandon a successful project

The one app I can’t stand as a snap is firefox, it took a minute to navigate to the first webpage every time I start up. The rest are or more less fine I think, but flatpak meets my needs for most other applications.

possiblylinux127 ,

Also command line tools are terrible as snaps. And the worst part is you have no idea why they won’t work. It doesn’t tell you that snap is the problem. It just doesn’t work.

hperrin ,

It look me about two hours to realize that snap was the problem when I was trying to run Mastodon in a Docker container. That was the last straw before I moved to Fedora.

Snap can’t read anything outside of the /home directory, and there’s no way to fix that except changing the source code and recompiling it.

KISSmyOSFeddit , to linuxmemes in I respect people who don't like snaps, but Canonical will not abandon a successful project

Upstart and Unity are waiting for you.

barsquid ,

I knew I’d find some receipts in here.

hperrin ,

Don’t forget Mir!

trxxruraxvr , to linuxmemes in I respect people who don't like snaps, but Canonical will not abandon a successful project

They also called unity successful at some point

Successful_Try543 ,

Unity was a nice DE. Being on KDE since 12 years, I still miss some of its features, e.g. merging the menu items with the title bar.

trxxruraxvr ,

And yet they abandoned it.

acockworkorange , (edited )

Yeah, I was pissed when they went away from it. It was great for small screen devices.

possiblylinux127 ,

At least you could use a different desktop if you didn’t like it.

ptz , to linuxmemes in I respect people who don't like snaps, but Canonical will not abandon a successful project
@ptz@dubvee.org avatar

I don’t mind Snaps in a vacuum, but the unforgivable thing is that they messed with the package repo so that instead of installing a deb package as I intended, it installs a Snap stub which I did not want. If Canonical hadn’t forced them on users in that way, I’d have been fine with them.

Instead, back to Debian I went (sorry I ever left, actually)

macattack , to linuxmemes in I respect people who don't like snaps, but Canonical will not abandon a successful project

Personally, I use Debian and gravitate towards flat paks, but I’m starting to question whether this is just one of those hills Linux users arbitrarily choose to die on a la systemd/wayland? I suppose one of the advantages of an opinionated OS is a vast array of opinions

Adanisi ,
@Adanisi@lemmy.zip avatar

It’s much worse.

The snap store is proprietary.

boredsquirrel , to linuxmemes in I respect people who don't like snaps, but Canonical will not abandon a successful project
@boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net avatar

“But the Calamares versions have an install option without Snaps”

Well that also doesnt have a webbrowser and will install snaps the second you want one

MonkderDritte , (edited )

So they have somewhere a dpkg hook but still install it if you toggle that option?

boredsquirrel , (edited )
@boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net avatar

It is the same thing. Just that base Ubuntu supposedly doesnt have snap, but sudo apt install firefox installs snap and then snap firefox.

So not sure why the base install doesnt have snap, but it mailny lacks FF and TB which are only available as snap and will automatically pull snap in.

zecg ,
@zecg@lemmy.world avatar

You should add a PPA before installing so it has a source for non-snap Firefox

jnk ,

Either that or stop babysitting canonical and use debian instead

RustyNova , to linuxmemes in I respect people who don't like snaps, but Canonical will not abandon a successful project

I hate snaps, but NextCloud snap is way easier to than the other methods, so it gets a pass… Only one

possiblylinux127 ,

Over docker compose? You just apply the file and you are good to go.

RustyNova ,

You still need to install NextCloud next. Then if you are on a home lab you’ll probably need a reverse proxy too

On Ubuntu it’s just install > go to config > whitelist all urls

PseudorandomNoise , to linuxmemes in I respect people who don't like snaps, but Canonical will not abandon a successful project
@PseudorandomNoise@lemmy.world avatar

I’d be curious to see some statistics on how many Ubuntu users removed snaps vs how many haven’t changed the default.

MotoAsh ,

I remove that abomination every chance I get.

Petter1 ,

I’d bet most ubuntu user don’t know the difference between snap and deb, tho.

smeg ,

Exactly, wouldn’t most of the people who really care already have moved on from Ubuntu?

db2 ,

The reddit Steve method

captainjaneway ,
@captainjaneway@lemmy.world avatar

I didn’t until apps started breaking. The snap version of steam, Firefox, and Unity (I think?) all started to have issues. When I googled around people would often ask “deb or snap”? I uninstalled the snap packages and installed the deb packages and most of my issues went away.

I ultimately switched to Linux Mint because I kept having stability issues and I was just desperate for a solution. But snap was not a great experience for me.

possiblylinux127 ,

It would of been a little less bad if they hadn’t forced it on everyone over night. It also didn’t help that it had a ton of complexity and overhead.

I didn’t use Flatpak for the longest time as I was scared from years prior.

DuckGuy ,
@DuckGuy@mander.xyz avatar

I removed it and it was a pain.

muntedcrocodile , to linuxmemes in I respect people who don't like snaps, but Canonical will not abandon a successful project
@muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee avatar

I mean I used to used to use Ubuntu for my server now I use Debian cos fuck snaps.

cyborganism ,

Ow! My brain!

Ensign_Crab ,

So I didn’t realize that the snaps logo is an origami bird.

“It was like a piece of self-opening origami, or a rosebud blooming into a rose in just a few seconds. Where just a few moments earlier there had been a smoothly curved black disk, there was now a bird. A bird, hovering there.” - Douglas Adams, describing the Hitchhiker’s Guide, Mk. II, from Mostly Harmless.

A bit on the nose there, Canonical.

possiblylinux127 ,

The other day I tested Ubuntu just to see if it had gotten any better. It has become worse.

barsquid ,

Same, I used to always pick Ubuntu to spin up servers. Now I pick it never.

Andromxda ,
@Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Same, Debian is the way to go (for servers, I can’t stand it on desktop)

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