Bangladesh has actually been doing pretty well in the past decade, no? I know there have been concerns about Hasina’s increasing authoritarianism over the years, but the stuff I’ve read indicated that she was actually quite popular, within the context of the country’s incredibly polarized politics.
Having her toppled by a mob like this… while hoping for the best for Bangladesh, I can’t help but feel quite pessimistic for the future of the country. For one thing, there’s the distinct possibility that this is a military coup disguised as a popular insurrection. Hope that’s not the case.
There’s another thread on this with a constantly-updating Al Jazeera article that included a timeline of events which I pasted over there before It got too far down the page. I’ll paste it here too:
Timeline: How the unrest began
• Students began protesting last month when a controversial government job quota system that favoured children of war veterans was reinstated by the High Court.
• The government responded by shutting down universities and using the police and military to crack down on protesters.
• Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina imposed a nationwide curfew and cut off access to phones and the internet.
• Some 200 people, mostly students, were killed. Thousands were arrested.
• On July 21, Bangladesh’s top court stepped in, ruling that the quotas should be scaled back from 30 percent to 5 percent, with 3 percent for relatives of veterans.
• Last week, demonstrations resumed with protesters issuing new demands, including bringing justice and accountability for those killed and for Hasina to step down.
• The prime minister had pledged a strong response, calling the demonstrators criminals and saboteurs.
I’ve been following it for a few weeks, it was a snowball effect.
The original protest was met with mockery and ignorance where Hasina called the protestors “rajakars”, which refers to the people who aided Pakistan during the genocide in the 70s. That caused even bigger protests.
The government’s youth wing/league, likened to a gang or terrorist group, violently beat protestors and killed some. In the chaos, police fired on protestors, drove cars through rickshaws, and started showing up to homes in plainclothes at night arresting students. More happened but this is what I saw videos of. Many more were killed during this time. To slow the spread of news about this, the government shut down the internet. At this point the people wanted her out of power.
Further growing protests were met with more violence, a curfew, and a shoot on sight order. The youth wing attacked people on the street and police fired at people outside. People were shot at even when standing by the windows or on the rooftops.
All of thus culminated in people flooding to the capital, filling the city centres and Hasina fleeing the country.
While its very likely that opposition party members supported the protests, too much happened for it to be entirely manufactured.
Hello, a Bangladeshi here. Let me explain what happened so you have a better understanding:
“Bangladesh has actually been doing pretty well in the past decade, no?”
No, not at all. It’s still one of the least developed country with one of the most corrupted governments. Development is very slow and very unsteady. And if any development actually happens, 90% of the money goes to the politicians, only 10% to actual development.
“but the stuff I’ve read indicated that she was actually quite popular”
You read her propaganda. She’s not popular at all, most ordinary people despised her. In her rule, the elections have been more fixed than pro wrestling. No democracy what so ever. There were rampant oppression upon anyone who dares to even slightly criticize the government. They regularly detained the supporters of opposition parties for no reason. She was a autocrat hiding behind a mere facade of democracy.
They have a student wing called Chattra League. They are nothing short of a terrorist group. Look them up on Wikipedia, there’s an entire article on Wikipedia about their violence alone. They have murdered, raped, tortured, ran forced prostitution rings, etc. Just in 2019, they beat a uni student to death in campus for criticizing the government’s relationship with India in a Facebook post. They also attacked the protestors during the quota movement.
“there’s the distinct possibility that this is a military coup disguised as a popular insurrection.”
That is absolutely not true. For one, the current army chief is her relative. And she killed most of army generals with actual backbones that can do such a thing in a staged mutiny in 2009.
Also the whole thing started from student protests, and when the government (the police, and the military) started shooting and mass detaining everyone, other people joined in too. 300+ deaths is a very, very conservative estimate. A truer number is probably as high as 1000+. And when that many people gets killed, it’s hard to stay silent anymore. People from literally everywhere in country started protesting as a response. This was, by all sense, the movement of people. It was the people that were in the streets. It was the people that led it, it was the people that stormed her residence. The military had nothing to do with it other than the murders.
“Riots caused by court rulings don’t usually topple prime ministers”
Yeah it usually doesn’t. But after almost two decades of violent oppression, that protest was just a nucleation point for a mass movement against the regime that was a long time coming. That was the tipping point, the point when enough was enough. It only seems off because you are missing the whole context.
Hey I’m sorta curious, do you have any insight on what the protesters plan on doing next? Especially with the army declaring an interim government and all that.
Like is there some plan on how to make sure the movement doesn’t die down or get co-opted like other movements have?
the stuff I’ve read indicated that she was actually quite popular, within the context of the country’s incredibly polarized politics.
Bangladesh has a very poor press freedom ranking and people have been persecuted for posting on social media. My impression is that she was despised, or at best tolerated
Having her toppled by a mob like this… while hoping for the best for Bangladesh, I can’t help but feel quite pessimistic for the future of the country. For one thing, there’s the distinct possibility that this is a military coup disguised as a popular insurrection. Hope that’s not the case.
I would come to the same conclusion if I had not followed this for the past dew weeks. It sounds like a coup from the headline.
I’m cautiously optimistic. The country has a chance for the first time in decades to establish a proper democracy, weed out corruption, and restore press freedoms. Anything can happen in a power vacuum, but I remain hopeful.
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Great, pretty soon every regional power will launch thousands of satellites to pretend to build their own satellite internet.
Fun fact: The aluminium from satellite parts burning up in the atmosphere kills the ozone layer.
First of all, it always takes longer to do something the first time because you don’t know what the best way to do it is. That means having to do a lot of experimentation, and having false starts. Once a particular approach is proven, it takes much less time for competitors to follow it. This has been a constant with every type of technology out there.
Second, it’s not like Chinese companies are just starting today. There are already plenty of companies that have functioning prototypes of reusable rockets that are actively being tested today. Here are a couple of examples for you:
You’d think people would learn from the way Chinese companies were able to dominate in areas like solar panels, EVs, battery tech, and are now catching up in chip manufacturing. In every one of these cases, exact same arguments were made, and China shocked westerners by how rapidly it was able to develop these technologies.
Yeah those tests are why I put them at the falcon 1 test flight stage generously. It was 10 years from the last flight of falcon 1 to the first flight of falcon 9 block 5, which is where reusability really started to kick in.
Sure there is a follower advantage, but I don’t know if they can make full use of it since they won’t be able to head hunt talent as much as a US company. Itar might also make it more difficult to use the same suppliers and methodology for a more direct copy.
I’m sure they’ll come up with something pretty cheap eventually, but I think it’ll still take a while for economic rapid reuse.
It will take a few years to develop, but as I’ve already pointed out, China has a good track record of producing advanced technology much faster than anybody expected. Meanwhile, if there is strategic value in having these types of low orbit constellations then the government will eat the cost until reusable rockets become available.
Yeah I suspect that’s what will happen. They’ll launch these satellites on their non-reusable long matches until they eventually have a cheaper reusable capability. I guess we’ll see how long that will be.
You’d think people would learn from the way Chinese companies were able to dominate
People underestimate the power of forced labor, slave labor, prison labor, etc. It can really help an empire waste resources and destroy the planet much faster.
I love how this idiocy has been debunked so many times now, and yet here you are regurgitating it once again. I guess you just need to believe in the atrocity propaganda because you can’t accept the fact that your shithole country can’t compete with China. All these stories ultimately trace back Zenz who is an utter nutcase. And right wing fundamentalists are your source for news about China, then what else is there to say about you as an individual.
Practically all the stories we see about China trace back to Adrian Zenz is a far right fundamentalist nutcase and not a reliable source for any sort of information. The fact that he’s the primary source for practically every article in western media demonstrates precisely what I’m talking about when I say that coverage is divorced from reality.
Along with his “mission” against China, heavenly guidance has apparently prompted Zenz to denounce homosexuality, gender equality, and the banning of physical punishment against children as threats to Christianity.
The fact that this nutcase is being paraded as a credible researcher on the subject is absolutely surreal, and it’s clear that the methodology of his “research” doesn’t pass any kind of muster when examined closely.
(The UN does not, in fact, have a ‘right to defend itself’, nor to slaughter Jews in brutal pogroms, nor to teach generations of children that the greatest thing they can do with their lives is detonate a suicide vest in a crowd of Jewish civilians using the money of the international community)
You mean the plan accepted by the Jews and rejected by the Arabs, right before they launched a war which in the words of Haj Amin al-Husseini, Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and close friend of Adolf Hitler, they would “continue fighting until the Zionists were annihilated” and, in the words of one of the most senior leaders of Jerusalem, Jamal al-Husayni, that “the blood will flow like rivers in the Middle East”?
That’s the war you’re referring to re: “The UN’s right to defend itself”?
Because of course, it could have done at the time, and defended itself against the side that rejected the UN plan: the Arabs. And it didn’t.
So what’s your point here, if not spreading Jew-hatred?
I’m not new here, I’m just not a coward who forms their opinions based on groupthink and the hysteria of antisemitism, which does not discriminate on left or right biases.
Glad you proved me right though. Reaffirmed how little I think of the pro-Hamas rabble/tribe.
Not much. British Muslims spent the last 10 months attacking British Jews and calling for a genocide of the Jewish people in Israel, burning Union Jacks, calling for ‘death to the West’, and so on and so on.
I’m not saying they should be subject to similar attacks themselves, but I’m not going to march in their defence.
They could have done that after October 7th, and they chose to celebrate the death of Jews. So I’m simply not going to march with them at all. Let’s see what happens.
Israel stepped up its accusations in March, saying over 450 UNRWA staff were military operatives in Gaza terrorist groups. UNRWA employs 32,000 people across its area of operations, 13,000 of them in Gaza.
so according to the UN israel was off by a factor of 50, which would make UNRWA 9/13000 = 0.07% of a terrorist organization. since you seem like a zionist, if this is somehow gonna convince me to support israel’s bullshit claims about aid workers in gaza, lmao. lol even.
they did a investigation which discovered findings related to 19 people, one of whom was dismissed and the other 9 were deemed insufficient. it doesn’t mean they only investigated 19 people and found 9, it means out of all the allegations only 19 could even be reasonably investigated, and they decided to terminate 9 people.
and by Zionist i meant a supporter of state of Israel (which you seem highly engaged in covering for them) regardless of ideology and politics. this is the most common use of the word by self identified (most of whom are evangelical christians and are zionists for very anti-semetic reasons) and the general public. stop baiting people into the gotcha “anti-semetic” debate bullshit you disingenuous fuck.
I won’t respond to anything you say because new account posting lie after lie doesn’t seem genuine, so go nuts in the replies.
Oh god. I knew it would be this sort of low-IQ shit when I saw your @lemmy.ml address.
they did a investigation which discovered findings related to 19 people, one of whom was dismissed and the other 9 were deemed insufficient. it doesn’t mean they only investigated 19 people and found 9, it means out of all the allegations only 19 could even be reasonably investigated, and they decided to terminate 9 people.
They investigated 19 people and found 12 of them were so highly plausibly involved in the October 7th Holocaust, even by the UN’s ridiculous standards which always try to absolve themselves, that they have already fired them. That’s it. They’re already fired by the UN because of the evidence they uncovered. They’ve already been fired for it.
and by Zionist i meant a supporter of state of Israel (which you seem highly engaged in covering for them) regardless of ideology and politics
OK, so the idea here appears to be that Israel is unique among all the nations of the world in that it only has a right to exist insofar as one can individually and subjectively support their government. Have I misread this?
this is the most common use of the word by self identified (most of whom are evangelical christians and are zionists for very anti-semetic reasons) and the general public
This isn’t true, you just watched it on a YouTube video.
Here’s an example: I’m a Zionist because I believe the Jewish people have a right to national self-determination in their ethnic and religious homeland.
Anti-Zionists therefore presumably believe that the Jews have no such right, and therefore their state – uniquely among all the states on the planet, from the United States to Australia – must be destroyed and abolished.
Which bit of that is ‘incorrect’ in your view, assuming you’re willing/able to activate some element of your prefrontal cortex in responding?
stop baiting people into the gotcha “anti-semetic” debate bullshit you disingenuous fuck.
I haven’t baited anything. I wanted to know what you meant when you labelled me as a “Zionist”, in your own word(s).
Nothing you’ve said has convinced me that you wouldn’t have been piling up ‘Pro-Zionist’ books on the bonfires of Berlin in 1939.
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