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masquenox , to worldnews in Putin says Russia will use cluster bombs in Ukraine if it has to

Uuuuh… as far as I’m aware, Russia has already been using cluster munitions in Ukraine. They used cluster munitions in Chechnya and Syria as well - and lots of them.

The US used them extensively in Iraq and Afghanistan, too… but that’s okay, because those people don’t “look like us” (apparently).

It’s kind of weird that people are only now making a big fuss about them.

dedale ,
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We were making a big fuss back then. We also made a big fuss about Gitmo.
Nobody cared.

Dreyns ,

That’s modern media to you, not about information more about making big noise for big money with nothing of matter behind.

lemmyshmemmy ,

“modern media” in the sense that the Kremlin has a lot of propaganda on social media.

Bishma , to worldnews in Putin says Russia will use cluster bombs in Ukraine if it has to
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They’ve been using cluster bombs since the first day of the war. He might as well have said they’ll invade Ukraine “if they have to.”

taanegl ,

Heck, why not make it official? 90% of the world has.

Fondots , to worldnews in Putin says Russia will use cluster bombs in Ukraine if it has to

Putin says Russia will use cluster bombs in Ukraine if it has to

What he really means.

Shdwdrgn ,

I thought it was just another indication that Putin really has no fucking clue WHAT is going on. It wouldn’t surprise me if he believed Ukrainians were fighting with sticks and stones before the West started helping them out, but then again he also probably considers even that to be a threat to his fragile ego.

Grimpen ,

I will do cluster munitions. I used to, but I will, too.


Just need to image-meme up a picture of Master-Stragetarian Putin.

kromem , to world in Putin says Russia will use cluster bombs in Ukraine if it has to

He followed it up by saying that if Ukraine doesn’t watch their step, Russia may need to send troops into Ukraine too.

vimdiesel , to world in China, Russia to start joint air and sea drill in Sea of Japan

That’s fine, it’s international waters. Unlike China we respect water treaties and don’t try to build up man made islands and claim “these are our waters now”

OrganicLife , to worldnews in Mexico says Texan buoys in Rio Grande breach water treaty

I wonder how it affects the ecosystem?

Carvex ,

Who curs bout wildlife n such when der is got dang beaners in my cuntry!

vimdiesel , to world in Putin says Russia will use cluster bombs in Ukraine if it has to

They’re already using them.

tired_n_bored , to world in Putin says Russia will use cluster bombs in Ukraine if it has to

They already used them and already committed countless war crimes.

The people claiming Ukraine is committing crime were just distracted when Russia used them on civilians? Anyways the Ukrainian Government already stated that they will not be used in towns and cities but only to clear minefields

Gramatikal ,

Distracted? I dunno. Russian propagandists/bots seems more likely.

Even at the bar I tend, filled with “conservatives” that think Donald was cheated out of the election, there isn’t anyone who believes Russia is in the right.

PaulDevonUK , to aboringdystopia in Johnson & Johnson sues researchers who linked talc to cancer
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Asbestos contaminated - realy? What percentage of products?

Sometimes - so not all contamination was found to cause cancer. Again, what percentage?

TL;DNR but from the summary it sounds like alarmist claims without data.

benecere ,

J&J didn’t tell the FDA that at least three tests by three different labs from 1972 to 1975 had found asbestos in its talc – in one case at levels reported as “rather high.” this is enlightning.

SuperLogica ,
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Scientists don’t publish “alarmist claims without data”. They publish scientific research which is reviewed by their peers and then built on or contradicted as needed. Scientists can’t just make stuff up - their papers are reviewed before they’re published and if they write crap, it doesn’t pass review. There have been several studies since the first paper on this so the link seems fairly robust.

Had you read the article and understood how science works, you’d have learnt that the the patients all had a form of cancer caused by asbestos, and their only exposure was via talc. You’d have also learnt that courts had already upheld the findings in previous litigation with expert testimony (this is where courts listen to scientists who provide evidence to support or refute the claims being made). So at this current stage there’s little doubt that the science is right, both in the scientific literature and in law (though of course there may be a missing piece of information that has not yet come to light).

Finally, I’d like to comment on your absurd remark “sometimes… was found to cause cancer”. Asbestos is an extremely dangerous carcinogen (thing that causes cancer), which is why we regulate it nowadays. The cancers are awful and often kill within 12 months of onset. It is frankly inhuman to suggest that any contamination of a product would be acceptable unless you’re the only one volunteering to die a horrible death.

If you’re not going to read the article or show any compassion for fellow humans then maybe don’t comment and let the mature adults discuss the issues instead.

MetaCubed ,

Alarmist claims without data

Doing any amount of research on this brings up this study published by the NIH (www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4164883/)

To keep it brief for you:

  • Talc and asbestos are both silicate minerals
  • Because of this they naturally occur together
  • The above has been known outside of commercial industry since the early 80’s at least
  • The NIH tested 50 talc containing products
  • All 50 of the tested products contained asbestos in concentrations ranging between 5%-20% asbestos
  • Application of the talc containing products was found to aerosolise the asbestos fibers in a manner that they could be inhaled
  • Any inhalation of asbestos is considered enough to cause mesothelioma
  • J&J has known since 1967 that talc products usually contain asbestos as well as the health risks and continued to market it as safe anyways (www.reuters.com/…/johnsonandjohnson-cancer/)

Some other studies have found asbestos contamination of talc at lower percentages such as 15% of market products. I don’t know about you but I don’t want to roll the dice for somewhere between a 0%-85% chance that my product isn’t contaminated with asbestos just so my taint will be dry. If there’s 100,000 asbestos containing products, then at least 15,000 of them will contain asbestos.

Do you want to take that risk?

MeanEYE , to world in Putin says Russia will use cluster bombs in Ukraine if it has to
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They already used them.

Gramatikal ,

I was gonna say. I distinctly remember that the only reason cluster munitions were sent was in response to Russian ones targeting civilians.

vimdiesel ,

That’s incorrect. It’s because conventional ammunition is running low AND they hope the cluster bombs will help to break the Russian lines/trenches.

mea_rah ,

They were using cluster munition from very beginning. There were videos of cluster munition being used in cities with civilians. In the infamous Kramatorsk railway station attack russia used cluster munition for example. Which is what makes putin’s statement quite misleading. It’s effectively lying by omission.

52fighters , to world in Putin says Russia will use cluster bombs in Ukraine if it has to
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Ukraine is using them to clear minefields planted by Russians who illegally entered the country for the purpose of mass murder. I think we can give Ukraine a pass on what type of munitions they think will be useful for saving lives.

tired_n_bored ,

Definitely agree

skillissuer ,

you’d need submunition to hit mine directly, if you want to use boom for demining, you’re looking for something like MCLIC or UR-77 (this might be a little bit counterproductive in build up areas). unless you mean EOD techs using submunitions as a donor charge, but this makes little sense, as you can use about anything to do this, including random recast AT mines and pieces of busted ERA bricks. repurposing DPICM elements this way would be unnecessarily dangerous operation

conversely, if you use DPICM in combat, you might need to clear that area before your own troops even move in, in some cases. because of large number of these elements some will fail and it might pose risk to advancing force

Ukrainians using DPICM is good, because it shortens time russians will be able to shell civilians, plant minefields and spread UXO

vimdiesel ,

and also to clear the russian trenches of russian soldiers

MattTheProgrammer , to world in Putin says Russia will use cluster bombs in Ukraine if it has to
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Can we just draw and quarter Putin already?

Magnus , to world in Putin says Russia will use cluster bombs in Ukraine if it has to

Whoa settle down Russia next they will be saying they are going to try and take kyiv in 3 days.

Ilikepornaddict , to world in Putin says Russia will use cluster bombs in Ukraine if it has to

We really need to lift all restrictions for Ukraine on the use of weapons they’re being given. Let them rain horror on the Russian people, and see how fast the country turns against putin and his regime. Otherwise this war will drag on forever.

egonallanon ,

Bombing Russian civilians will not hasten the end of the war and could very possibly strengthen public support putin. Also let’s encourage even more war crimes than are already happening.

vimdiesel ,

No, let them rain horror down on Russian invaders inside their country. Using these in Russia will mean the west won’t send them anymore and will cut off aid, and Biden and NATO have said as much.

skillissuer ,

We really need to lift all restrictions for Ukraine on the use of weapons they’re being given

yes, attacking valid military targets within internationally recognized russian borders like weapon depots, troop staging grounds and so on would be useful operationally (if perhaps not strategically, because it gives russians push to adapt at least). however

Let them rain horror on the Russian people, and see how fast the country turns against putin and his regime. Otherwise this war will drag on forever.

attacking civilians is counterproductive if you want to turn them against current govt

TWeaK , to world in China, Russia to start joint air and sea drill in Sea of Japan

A Chinese naval flotilla

Mmmm, Mexican food.

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