I’m a plumber in Denver and we are already dealing with the natural gas ban in the city limits. If someone’s gas water heater goes out it’s possible we have to wait up to two weeks to install one. This is after we have to give a detailed explanation as to why we can’t just upgrade to an electric one. If they deny the gas water heater and make us put in an electric one the cost for the homeowner is way more expensive. It’ll be interesting to see how this will all play out.
The proposal would require the most common-sized electric water heaters to achieve efficiency gains with heat pump technology and gas-fired water heaters to achieve efficiency gains through condensing technology.
The electric one is a pretty big design change.
Interesting what industry says on it:
A group including water heater maker Rheem, environmental group Natural Resources Defense Council and efficiency and consumer advocacy organizations issued a joint statement welcoming the new standards.
Tankless water heater maker Rinnai (5947.T), however, said the proposed standards for its products were “technologically impossible” and would reduce consumer choice.
PS if you want to reduce your hot water usage, turn off the shower while you’re soaping. I’ve got my shower down to like 1 minute of running water. Wash clothes on cold.
Heat pump water heaters already exist, but I think they're pretty expensive compared to gas/resistive heat.
I wouldn't be surprised if electric tankless water heaters are indeed infeasible under this mandate. Heat pumps generally aren't powerful, and tankless heaters require enormous amounts of power while in use.
Heat pump water heaters are pretty standard in large parts of the world. They are a bit expensive to install, but with today’s electric prices, they pay off quite fast.
When it’s on. When you aren’t using it, it draws zero. I’ve had a tankless electric for 8 years, and my power usage hasn’t changed much either up or down.
Storage water heaters can also capture off peak or curtailed energy (acting as 6-12kWh of diurnal storage), so they are more than 3x better in terms of emissions.
We still have some where I live, but I haven’t been in years and they’re all dying. As an older dude, I really only went for games, shirts, and someplace social to walk around and see interesting or new stuff with my wife. Games are all online and I can get next day delivery from Amazon if I want the finest textiles China has to offer. (Not entirely negative, they’re the just not known for high quality, dat price tho.) Especially after covid, we generally don’t go out to public places for social interaction. Anymore, we just go to gatherings of friends and play different board games people have gotten recently
I meant not popular as in they don’t have as much foot traffic as they did a few decades ago. Many exist, but the number of malls that don’t feel “dead” is pretty low in my experience.
Yup. We have like 4 within 30 min driving distance (assuming we’re talking indoor malls), and they all feel pretty empty whenever I go. Granted, I don’t go very often, but it definitely seems a lot less popular than even 10 years ago.
I thought Teams was more of a curse than a competitor.
Kidding aside. It’d be nice if we stopped these massive corporations from hoovering up other businesses BEFORE antitrust complaints are needed. But that’ll never happen.
Sorry… just for the record - why was there a Russian war reporter in Ukraine again? Could it perhaps have anything to do with that war Russia caused in Ukraine? Someone please jog my memory for me.
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