Meta says users do not come to its platform for news and forcing the company to pay for content shared on its platforms is unsustainable for its business.
I agree with them here, news articles definitely aren’t what I come to Facebook for.
OTTAWA, Aug 18 (Reuters) - The Canadian government on Friday demanded that Meta (META.O) lift a “reckless” ban on domestic news from its platforms to allow people to share information about wildfires in the west of the country.
Some people fleeing wildfires in the remote northern town of Yellowknife have complained to domestic media that the ban prevented them from sharing important data about the fires.
“Meta’s reckless choice to block news … is hurting access to vital information on Facebook and Instagram,” Heritage Minister Pascale St-Onge said in a social media post.
Chris Bittle, a legislator for the ruling Liberal Party, complained on Thursday that “Meta’s actions to block news are reckless and irresponsible.”
In response, a Meta spokesperson said by email that the company had activated the “Safety Check” feature on Facebook that allows users to spread the word that they are safe in the wake of a natural disaster or a crisis.
Canadians can use Facebook and Instagram to access content from official government agencies, emergency services and non-governmental organizations, the spokesperson added.
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The Russian spacecraft is scheduled to land on the south pole of the moon on Monday, part of a big power race to explore a part of the moon which scientists think may hold frozen water and precious elements.
“During the operation, an abnormal situation occurred on board the automatic station, which did not allow the manoeuvre to be performed with the specified parameters,” Roskosmos said in a short statement.
The agency also posted images of the moon’s Zeeman crater taken from the spacecraft.
Roskosmos said data it had received so far had provided information about the chemical elements in the lunar soil and would also facilitate the operation of devices designed to study the near-surface of the moon.
Roughly the size of a small car, it will aim to operate for a year on the south pole, where scientists at NASA and other space agencies in recent years have detected traces of frozen water in the craters.
The presence of water has implications for major space powers, potentially allowing longer human sojourns on the moon that would enable the mining of lunar resources.
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“I am sure our soldiers will give a response to Russia for this terrorist attack,” President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said in his nightly video address, delivered early on Sunday at the end of a visit to Sweden.
Zelenskiy said the strike on Chernihiv, a city of leafy boulevards and centuries-old churches about 145 km (90 miles) north of Kyiv, coincided with the Orthodox holiday of the Feast of the Transfiguration of the Lord.
People leaving church and others passing by were among those hurt when the missile hit the theatre, where a meeting was taking place, Chaus said.
Law enforcement agencies were looking into how Russians became aware of the event, which he said included business and community representatives but Ukrainian media reported involved drone manufacturers.
An event organizer said all the participants, including engineers, members of the military and volunteers, were asked to go to an air raid shelter in the theatre when the alarm sounded, but some people went outside.
“All those who took shelter remained safe,” Maria Berlinska, a co-founder of the Dignitas Fund, whose fundraising includes money for drones for the frontline, said in a Facebook post.
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Lol they didn’t “ban” news, they refused to pay to make the news relevant. Canada basically banned news sharing on the internet. They can repeal the stupid law.
I don’t agree with the solution the government came up with, but the problem still exists and I don’t understand it well enough to come up with an alternative solution.
Making news is expensive, and good quality news (not mucked up by corporate interests) needs a way to fund that work. We don’t want news to be an outlet for corporations investing in a mouthpiece. So traditionally this was done through advertising.
Now people barely ever click through to the websites so the advertising doesn’t work. Meanwhile the places where people ARE seeing the news do have ads. The content is produced by one party, and the profit goes to another.
The problem exists and needs a solution, but I don’t know what it might be. Australia brought in a similar law successfully and Facebook/Google came to a deal. Canada might also be able to do that?
The other long term solution IMO is to make the platforms obsolete with things like Mastodon and Lemmy. That might take some time though
There ARE other downsides to this law, outside of the hissy fit Facebook is throwing.
For example, smaller independent news companies don’t have the bargaining power to come to a fair agreement with Facebook, like the larger organizations can. A solution to that might be to have some standard rates set up, but again, don’t know enough about it
The solution is for people who care about the news to start paying some small amount of money to support responsible news. Look at NPR or PBS but fuck paying corporate news outlets to bait me with outrage porn.
If people aren’t clicking through to read the details, the investigative journalism no matter how good is ineffective. So if the summarization one or two sentences is enough for most people then they don’t need more in-depth reporting
Well, I think the government at the core has a small point, network effects drive these sites, and the news being there draws people to them, which draws news to be there. But they frame it as one sided, and the fact is the news benefits from being on Facebook way more than Facebook benefits from people sharing news. People are on Facebook, the news is irrelevant if people can’t share it with each other in their lives, but Facebook doesnt become irrelevant without it. The government stepped out of line here and are doing anything and everything in their power to avoid admitting it, even resorting to propaganda. This is a shakedown for a failing industry that the government needs to continue to exist for it to control public narrative, that’s tye long and short of it.
Personally I’m of the opinion that all news is propaganda, and so I consume none of it. The fact that every news organization is parroting the government line about Facebook being a meanie and blocking the news tells me who controls the news and/or where power lies. If something’s important enough for me to need to know it, someone in my life will tell me. So I’d disagree with you that this needs a solution.
I do like your other long term solution, I don’t use Facebook either.
When is Ukraine going to fight back and start bombing Russian cities? I thought that Putin ran out of men and resources six months into this thing? When is the counteroffensive starting?
Canada should run it’s own official mastodon or lemmy instance to post canadian news/communications and whatnot. I never undestood how we still depend on American corporations like Twitter and facebook to share news. Like, even for my local govt, if I want to know if there is any road works, water issues and so on, it ends up on facebook only! This is dumb.
Canadian governmental entities (at all levels) aren’t known for their innovative thinking. Throughout the pandemic, regardless of your position on vaccines, the main fact that it was a group of volunteers in a discord channel that were responsible for the information shows the archaic state of digital communication in Canada. Frankly embarrassing by global comparison.
Argentinian here, he’s not great but fucking believe me theyre the best candidate amongst all other 4 that are all supporters of the practices that put us in this decadence.
So by that logic as long as a candidate doesn’t support the “practices that put us in this decadence” they are good enough to vote for?
If this guy would be in favor of rounding up all gay people and shooting them, would you still vote for him? What about making it illegal for women to do paid work? What about shutting down all newspapers? If he proposed those things, would you still think he’s the best candidate?
If not, then where is your line? Because to me he already seems pretty fucking extreme.
You can also not vote or cast a voto en blanco as a protest. Why not do that instead of vote for a Trump / Bolsonaro type person? Do you think they were successful presidents who made things better in the US / Brazil?
The fuck are you on about? First off, if those were his actual proposals of course he wouldnt be the best candidate, but want to know something? All other candidates have NO PROPOSALS, AND IM NOT EXAGGERATING, Rodriguez Larreta’s is the current Governor of Buenos Aires, his campaing literally had not a single proposal, all others have nothing concrete either, Massa is the current Minister of Economy and he’s supposedly gonna fix the economy ONLY IF WE VOTE HIM PRESIDENT??? Milei is literally the only candidate that has spoken out loud what they will do
But wanna know whats actually extreme, DO YOU WANT TO KNOW? The candidates that support these practices are all compliant of the current government, GOVERNMENT THAT LET THOUSANDS OF ARGENTINES DIE OF COVID while they held the vaccines for the Political Class, had Parties during Lockdown and arrested citizens that only wanted to mourn their beloved ones. Furthermore they attacked the monument made in honor of the ones that died during the pandemic
He’s Anti Left, likes a dumbass and is Anti Abortion, AND WHAT? That Last Law was approved like 4 Years ago DESPITE THE ENTIRE COUNTRY manifesting against, our (corrupt) politicians turned their back to the people who voted them, while he ran for Senate, for his campaign promised that his Salary would be raffled back to the people and guess what, he complied and continues to stand by what he was voted for
Argies are not stupid, EVERYONE knows whats going on with the Politics of the Left here, and we’re Angry, our people is dying of hunger, bussiness have to close down because of the neck choking taxes imposed to support the “Rights for the people” from a Government making net red numbers every day to keep the working people powerless and the poor eating the trash they hand them to barely keep them alive so they continue to vote for them
So we are supposed to keep voting the Politicians that are ACTUALLY killing us, that are ACTUALLY getting us more debt everyday, that are ACTUALLY putting in power of all of their friends to guarantee their richness, that are ACTUALLY making it harder and harder to leave the country while they sail around the world for their vacations? That are ACTUALLY making it worse?
Instead of the guy that has done many things right just because he kinda looks like another country’s asshole?
FUCK THAT, is essentially what this elections result means
Voting a fucking fascist in fucking power is not the fucking answer.
He will give you a 1 month high. You will feel like you’re taking your country “back” and “making it great again”. For 1 month. Maybe 2. Then it will not get better because fucking fascists don’t have fucking answers or fucking solutions. All they have is blaming.
So when shit doesn’t get better, what this fucking fascist will do is find some vulnerable minority or some people who do a serious non-dumb job and blame them. The gays. The indigenous. The judges. The leftist students. The scientists. The people who like to eat their salad with the wrong color tomatoes. Some made up shit.
And he will convince you that it’s those people’s fault that his bullshit anarcho-capitalist non-policies don’t work. So he will need you to support him to hurt those people more and more and more so he can anarcho-capitalism harder. Promising that if you hurt the right people enough then it will be all right.
But it won’t because there is no fucking magic and fucking fascists don’t have fucking answers to any fucking problem.
You are spot on, we should not vote fascists into Power because they will not fix the problems, they will blame others for their incompetence and they will get in our ears we should support them more for enabling them to actually fix those problems and they will persecute the opposition calling them the problem.
For sure you dont know but you are describing the current government, the previous and all of it’s candidates in this elections
While Milei has yet to even have that power, he’s done nothing more than what he promised and what he was voted for in congress, in the span of 2 Years hes started his Political Career
And for sure he wont fix them either, this shit is deep and wont go away in just 4 Years, but if he doesnt fucking start the change he proposes, and we need, we will vote someone else, if anyone even exists thats not the same politics again
So what you’re saying is that you didnt read a single line, because if the worse of actual Killers, Robbers and (convicted) Criminals is a Guy with a Wig and a questionable Economics Book then you got a hell of a definition of “worse”
“Argies are not stupid, EVERYONE knows whats going on “
Yes, they are and no, they don’t.
Just like EVERY country that suffered under incompetent and corrupt rule and gravitated to “change”.
I get it. Hell it’s be far not the first time Argentina has been in economic crisis. It’s a rational reaction with a reasonable basis that ignores the likely consequences.
That’s the point being made here - you want different, but is he actually better? Populist gestures like “he gave his salary away” mean he’s getting paid via other means. By whom? Why?
I get it - you’re sick of the status quo and he’s expressing the outrage you feel.
Good luck, really. I love BA and hope it works out.
To the first, saying we are not stupid is obviously a generalization, of course there are but its far from everyone being stupid, our education is poor and has only gotten worse with the current Government (by a myriad of reasons, really) but you saying they dont know what happens is straight up wrong. I do mean EVERYONE knows it, ask ANYONE om the street, on the internet any argentinian WILL KNOW but what they respond depends on how they live, because this government PAYS the people to rally and support them with Tax Money, They pay them to live like shit and vote them when time comes, they are their only sustain because the government is killing the Economy and all of the citizen’s possibilities, like I said, to keep themselves in Power
And also, I get your concern for his financing, but unlike all other Political candidates, he has actually had a Job not related to Politics on the past, and he gives speeches where he teaches economics as it is his Mayor, is a Writer and generally a “celebrity” lately. I cannot deny if a certain interest institution finances him, but I can sure confirm his opponents are
I get it man but accept that opting for worse in the pursuit of change is not a solution.
To a large degree that’s what led people to vote for Trump - he was independent (not actually), self-financed (big nope) and an outsider (incompetent clown). Not saying this guy is akin to Trump but are you certain enough of that to still support him?
Argentina’s history has enough heartbreak and man this guy sure smells like a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
Maybe he’s really not. Maybe his heart is in the right place. That’s a big maybe.
Ok at this point I do not understand why you think he’s worse, while everything I’ve explained is why he’s the better candidate amongst the trashcan all 4 Others are (other chain of comments, sorry if you didnt read them), and there being no more viable options. Why do you think he’s worse? Just because hes a Far Right? Because he expresses sentiment to bad ideologies? If any of that is true, i’d let you know the guys in the Blue side praise Chinese overlords and Russian leaders, the guys in Yellow there’s nothing wrong im aware of but they’ve already been in the Government, doing nothing good to it and only proving they are part of the problem, despite that they are the ones I voted for on this round of Election in subject. Milei is a MAYBE he’s not bad, all others are FOR SURE BAD
If it is because some of his personnel ideas are surely gonna be pushed, hell as long as the good ideas are (which are majority), we urgently need them, we can deal with his shitty side later
I get you may be thinking with experience in hand of The Hell Trump instated on the US being a far Right, but im telling you from current experience of the Hell the Left has instated in Argentina for GENERATIONS
You’re right - I think but do not know he’s worse and it’s due to the global pattern of totalitarianism that the Right has embraced. I fear Argentina falling into that trap by electing a populist today that refuses to cede power tomorrow.
If he’s the least bad option that’s a commentary of the politics there and perhaps your conclusion is justified, I simply don’t know enough about them to say, but a meh known quantity appeals more to me than a personable extremist.
With all respect, is defeatism the best way to choose leadership? Far Right is in an of itself disqualifying to me because I strongly oppose their stated policy positions so I’m certainly not objective.
You’re right - I think but do not know he’s worse and it’s due to the global pattern of totalitarianism that the Right has embraced. I fear Argentina falling into that trap by electing a populist today that refuses to cede power tomorrow.
If he’s the least bad option that’s a commentary of the politics there and perhaps your conclusion is justified, I simply don’t know enough about them to say, but a meh known quantity appeals more to me than a personable extremist.
With all respect, is defeatism the best way to choose leadership? Far Right is in an of itself disqualifying to me because I strongly oppose their stated policy positions so I’m certainly not objective.
Im not familiar enough with the term “Defeateism” to be sure on my answer, but just from Google definition, It is rather the only way Argentines have to vote, but this time there’s at least hope since Milei is conpletely New, past Elections were completely defeateism as all candidates were already in power and were for sure bad, it was picking your poison 100%
I’d even say that the biggest driving factor for Milei’s success is that he’s new.
By the way, you said how you dont want Argentina to fall under totalitarism with a Populist that refuses to cede Power, you are describing exactly Kristina Fernandez on 2015 who refused to even stand in the same room to pass the Symbols of Power to the elected opossition Mauricio Macri, time again a Left Politician
No she didnt ced the Power, justice had to intervene and a Provisional President (that lasted 12 hours) had to do it instead of her, good thing our constitution explicitly extinguishes Presidential Power the exact moment the clock hits 00:00 their last day of charge, or else?
I know that you meant something more serious, but to our constitution there isnt more serious than this
Excuse me but mind pointing at whatever specific thing I may have said is unreasonable off my participation on this whole thread?
Furthermore mind explaining to me how is it unreasonable to Vote for the Guy with a Wig-Looking Hair that’s done nothing wrong Politically when the other runner ups are a Drunk Terrorist (Bullrich), A Politician that sucks the dick of whoever is at Power to keep himself rich while proven completely useless in Charge (Massa), A LizardMan that opresses the workers with Police brutality and allows his paid supportive trope to disrupt peace on the streets (Larreta) and Juan Grabois (Self explanatory)
And finally, if you are Argentine yourself, please “Rescatate loco”
if those were his actual proposals of course he wouldnt be the best candidate
OK but my question still remains: where is the line for you? Because I think it’s fair to say that he would want to make abortion illegal, abolish sexual education in its current form, and let terrible things happen to the environment because he doesn’t believe in climate change.
Those things are apparently not enough for you because you still say he’s the best candidate. Maybe you disagree, but I think it would be terrible if women lost their right to a safe abortion or if children wouldn’t receive sex education.
Why not cast a voto en blanco? Just because other politicians are worse doesn’t mean you have to vote for Milei.
You say Argentines aren’t stupid and I agree. Americans and Brazilians are also not stupid. But how did far-right populist presidents work out for them?
I’m not saying the current politicians in power are good, but why support this asshole just because he opposes who you oppose?
The enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend, it could just be another enemy.
OK but my question still remains: where is the line for you? Because I think it’s fair to say that he would want to make abortion illegal, abolish sexual education in its current form
He has actually commented on all of this manners, about Abortion he said he personally doesnt care, but he’s an advocate that the pass of the law was done against the People’s Will (as I previously mentioned) so he’d call a Referendum on the law to revalue it and of course it will be the people’s will if it dissapears or not.
Climate Change? Sexual Education? For sure his views are problematic and I do not support his beliefs on that, but HELL MAN. People is DYING here either lf hunger or injustice, we need those fixed AND HES THE ONLY ONE WITH PROPOSALS ADDRESSING THOSE. Current government has FREED PRISONERS OF RAPE AND ASSASINATION because “they may die of covid in prison” Im sure as shit not voting them. Whatever he passes thats shitty we can fix later
There’s no clear limit, absolutes are never good, but id say being shitty as a whole is a reasonable limit
Edit: Adding to why not cast a Voto en Blanco, is because in Argentina the final election percentage of votes dont count Voto en Blanco, meaning that the total amount of votes thats part of the percentage is tinier the more Voto en Blanco there is, which means actual votes comform a greater part of the percentage, this results in Voto en Blanco giving more election power to actual Votes. Here is a saying that “The White Vote is a Vote in favour of the Most Voted” and it is technically correct. Due to the people that live off the government there will always be votes for them no matter how bad they are, if everyone for Javier Milei decided to vote in white instead, itll just make the other candidates percentage of vote grow not only making them win, but als look like 60% of the voters chose them
Do you mean the one-sided anti-democratic De Facto governments that persecuted opposition and killed thousands?
Or do you mean Peronisn the democratically elected fascist-ideology government that persecuted and killed oppositors while instated Laws to keep themselves in Power, which is the Ideology current government and Officialist candidates (who have let thousands die) praise?
Either way, what either of those things have to do with Javier Milei’s Right, Democracy-enforcing proposed government?
Argentines have been suffering miserably for decades and that is with parties from both the left and the right. They’ve all been useless. There is literally no one else to vote for.
But now you’re choosing the con-artists who will prey on that fact to sell you lies and false promises, and when all is said and done you will be lucky to still have a democracy, let alone solutions. Both Trump and Bolsonaro tried to overthrow their government when the citizens realized they were frauds and kicked them out. Still, somehow, your elected leader supports them. Don’t expect any different.
But the US and Brazil both made the same mistakes, so don’t take it personal. Learn for yourselves. But try to be vigilant enough not to lose your democracy in the process, because there’s no going back after that.
He’s the only one of the running candidates that hasn’t yet had the chance to demonstrate the country that he’s a putrid corrupt that will put himself before the people on every fucking step of the way as the others did over, and over, and over again, they normalized corruption so much that the average Argentinian believes that corruption is the only possible way to run a country, and there’s nothing left to steal. People worry about the loss of rights, but we haven’t been able to pay for adequate rights in a while.
He’s also the only one with a reasonable plan to actually stop the inflation that the other 2 parties brew for the past 20 years.
Governments are terrible at legislating in the tech and information space. It almost always results in terrible laws that don’t even come close to doing what they intended.
I don’t like facebook and i certainly don’t give a shit if they lose money but you can’t force them to buy news articles and deliver them to non-paying users.
Yes the government can force them because theyre the government. Thats how governments work. If youve bought into the propaganda that governments have no right to regulate facebook then I guess facebook is the ultimate authority to rule the world? Perhaps we should hand the military over to zuckerberg? Zuck as unelected dictator president? Governments have authority and a duty to control corporations within their borders no matter what their ceo’s have convinced you through the media outlets they have bought up. Yes, governments have ultimate power and authority on planet earth not “business”.
Issue is Canada can’t force them to do business there. If they continue introducing flawed legislation that is awful at doing what it’s supposed to do, then Meta’s just gonna get tf outta there. Canada aren’t big enough to have that much of a dent on their income, so it’s just not worth it.
Sure, Canada can regulate Meta/FB, but they can’t force them to offer the service in the country. If Meta wants to completely cease operations in Canada they’d be perfectly within their “rights”.
Meta hasn’t chosen to cease operations there, and realistically they aren’t going to do it, unless they’re willing to take a massive hit in stock value that would result from taking out a rich country from the revenue stream.
But they have ceased serving news from canadian outlets, in compliance with the local laws. There’s no way the government can force them to pay out for news links if they won’t serve them at all
That’s the traditional model, but I don’t think it applies anymore. We seem to be living in a post-nation state era. People are fully reliant on the top dozen or so companies, so those companies have tremendous power over government. Some governments are only just now realizing that fact and are trying to push back, but it’s way too late.
I think it’s a little easier and less complicated than that.
The government wants to give money, specifically Facebook’s money, to the publishing industry. The industry lobbying the government.
The government has the ability to tax Facebook directly. That’s well established. But the government has a trouble giving money to the publishing industry. That would be a subsidy. People have trouble paying subsidies to failing businesses. From the government. Usually. It’s anyway it’s a very difficult discussion to have in public.
So the government and the publishers got together and are trying to force Facebook to pay the publishers and not the government.
Facebook gracefully said no, they don’t want to pay the publishers.
So now if the government forces them to use the publisher data, they can’t logically also force them to pay a fee to use the thing they’re forced to use… The government could always tax Facebook… But the goal isn’t to tax it’s to give money to publishers…
I think this demonstrates we are not in a post-government age, this particular lobbying attempt to keep the horse and buggy industry irrelevant isn’t working as planned, it’s backfiring in a funny way.
I sincerely hope people are organizing to back this all up – datahoarders unite! These days it’s affordable to dedicate an 8TB disk to back up as much of these as possible… anyone have any tips on bulk-downloading the individual 78s from archive.org?
ia download -a -i --format=“VBR MP3” --search collection:georgeblood
EDIT #2: I’ve submitted a patch adding options to specify start and end item indices, so one can more easily download parts of a collection and resume later – or coordinate with others so each can download non-overlapping parts of a huge collection, and put them together later. See this PR
I’m kind of curious what kind of evidence you’ve seen that has convinced you to believe in, and worship, Hellenic pagan dieties? What is it about this specific diety has convinced you that it’s not only real, but worthy of worship?
Hope this doesn’t come off wrong, I’m genuinely curious.
I originally became a Pagan at the age of 18. With Paganism, you choose the god that fits you best. You don’t alter your moral compass to fit into a god’s ideals lie one would Christianity.
I eventually found myself attracted to being a general Chaosist and specifically a Discordian
What convinced me was reading the holy book Principia Discordia. It teaches that life is all about perspective of the individual and that what you see with your own eyes may not be what others see in theirs.
I also see Chaos as the ultimate creation force because if everything was static and unmoving, we wouldn’t be here right now.
I also had a near-death experience with Eris, where I saw here when I had a heart attack at 29 due to a genetic condition that I have.
So there’s not a lot of physical evidence for only one specific god or many, but I like to make sure that I notice the things that shouldn’t have gone statistically in my favor. That hopefully is sowing something watching over me.
He wasn't celebrating their death, he said it was a shame that unrelated people died.
Also, these people hate you. They are on a private jet because they literally think you are subhuman for not having as much money as them, and they don't even want to be in the same room as you. I won't feel too bad about them dying. That's not celebration, that's not tripping over yourself to fellate the people that are keeping you down.
"gosh it was so sad when he died, so tragic, all humans are perfect beautiful creatures and must be protected"
-You standing at Hitler's grave, I guess
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