I know that cat’s just joking, but I really did have to spreadsheet my cats’ food amounts based on calories per brand so I wasn’t overfeeding them when I bought different food.
Putting people is camps is worse than burning some books.
Yeah it’s not like the west launched brutal invasions and occupations of Muslim-majority nations in the middle-east in the past two decades or anything…
You’re right. It’s a good thing I’m not trying to explicitly deflect from my country’s sin by complaining about China letting people burn books!
Own your shit. When a nation does bad shit, call it out. Even if they’re in your “camp”. Don’t pull this “yeah but-“ fuck fuck games. This post is saying “well it’s okay that China put Muslims in camps because the West allows book burning.” Fuck off with that.
Yeah… strange that I can’t find a USian that supported the empire’s wars these days - just like it’s next-to-impossible to find a white South African that supported Apartheid.
Dunno what to tell ya bruh 🤷 I was in high school civics telling them it was fuckin dumb and on Warcraft 3 forums doing the same. The fact that it was so stupid and the republicans disavowed it make everyone pretend they were always against it.
Now what’s your stance on PRC authoritarianism against ethnic and religious minorities?
You’re right. It’s a good thing I’m not trying to explicitly deflect from my country’s sin by complaining about China letting people burn books!
Own your shit. When a nation does bad shit, call it out. Even if they’re in your “camp”. Don’t pull this “yeah but-“ fuck fuck games. This post is saying “well it’s okay that China put Muslims in camps because the West allows book burning.” Fuck off with that.
I do. Except there’s several problems with this point.
The first is that this topic is so fundamentally out of date now that it’s embarrassing. These all closed at the end of 2019. Nearly 4 fucking years ago.
The second is that they were education centres, mandatory yes and I’m quite sure some didn’t want to be there, but “camps” is absurd.
The third is that you don’t let people go home on the weekends when imprisoning them.
The issue is that people like yourself don’t actually know any of this, you repeat nonsense spoken by other people that repeat nonsense and never do one iota of investigation to discover the truth. There is a great deal of information available about what these were, what they were in response to (huge terrorism problem pouring in from radical islamic elements in afghanistan) and evidence that the US was involved in it. But again you don’t actually want to learn anything so what’s the fucking point? You’ve had 5 fucking years of this shit already and you’ve managed to avoid actually learning any of these details so why should I think you’re willing to engage in it in good faith and learn now?
Was it hugely authoritarian? Fuck yeah it was. But the western response to islamic terrorism is a military response, I actually prefer the lack of loss of life in the Chinese approach, and so does the entire Muslim world.
If you actually want to engage and maybe learn anything about this then I’m willing and able to go into everything about it with citations and detail. Let’s do it, just ask. But I don’t believe that you are.
I guess the Nazi camps were fine because they’re closed now?
And I guess “because terrorism” is a good excuse now? I mean, the US has done all kinds of fucked up shit that’s okay by that reasoning. If we had put all Saudis in reeducation camps after 9/11, you would (rightly!) call us fascists, and I’d be on your side!
Edit: that’s not even the “entire Muslim world”, and you know better than to use the boot of governments as a representation of the people.
Has the USA owned Chile, Afghanistan, Iraq, Philippines, Indonesia, Vietnam, Cambodia, Marshall Islands, Honduras, Haiti, black prison labour, I could go on if you want…?
Sure, just don’t degrade the severity of what a genocide means for political gain. It used to mean genocide was extermination of people based on their ethnicity. At the same standard the USA holds China, mow I can say the USA imprisoning black people systemically and putting them in parole programs to force them to get work in menial jobs amounts to genocide because is 1) systemic and 2) destroys a culture counter to the main society. Your country is committing genocide right now if you held it to the same standards at you hold China.
Point at where I said genocide. I didn’t use that word here because I know it’s contested in this case and I know it has a definition that I’m not interested in degrading. You said that word.
Regardless, this has nothing to do with my point. My point is that if a country is doing $thing, pointing at $otherthing means nothing. You’re deflecting.
Do US people deflect by pointing at China? Yep. Our guys totally deflect when they want to distract from shit. But this post brought it up, so own it.
Fair I was filling in the blanks of your argument. I disagree with China having to own the accusations made against its treatment of its Uighur minority, there’s a lot of evidence out there that this is a US funded campaign to discredit China internationally, similar to how they used Tibet as a propaganda campaign in the 90’s.
Regardless, I agree China has done bad things, similar to many powers in the world, and they should own (be accountable to) those mistakes. In this context I don’t see the need for them to own anything however, instead they should continue to defend their reputation, and point out human rights issues in the west.
I guess the Nazi camps were fine because they’re closed now?
Christ you are heavily proving my point about not wanting to engage in good faith. Nazi camps served the purpose of extermination, the chinese reeducation centres did no such thing. They opened, performed their job teaching language and key skills to the section of the population that were deemed “at risk” of being susceptible to the islamic extremism, and then they closed.
And I guess “because terrorism” is a good excuse now? I mean, the US has done all kinds of fucked up shit that’s okay by that reasoning. If we had put all Saudis in reeducation camps after 9/11, you would (rightly!) call us fascists, and I’d be on your side!
As good an excuse as any for such a complicated matter. Let’s try a thought experiment.
Let’s say, in YOUR country, that a religious group on a border territory is actively engaging in terrorism. Two to four times per a month mass shooting and bombings are occurring. I will try to provide some perspective on this, but my list will not include everything, I don’t have an existing list of events that is exhaustive and I hope you can understand that searches for anything about Xinjiang and China are completely polluted by utter garbage from the media to the point that searching for this shit is quite difficult now. With that said I think I can cover enough to make it visible how serious things were getting at the start of crackdowns.
September 2014 50 killed in series of multiple attacks (archive link for RFA fed written articles, unfortunately the best I can find with the shit way google works)
October 2014 22 farmers killed in attack (this article also talks about some other attacks 2 days beforehand, gives some idea of what kind of things I’ve missed or not been able to find dedicated articles for, this stuff was easier to follow in real-time than it is to research now)
This is far from exhaustive. This is a mentally exhausting topic to research and I hope you’ll forgive me for not really going the full length to show just how fucking bad things were, re-reading about each of these is upsetting, they are all horrible events. Consider these some of the big ones, the easiest to find in each month, but there were many more peppered in between them.
Now, back to the thought experiment - this is happening in YOUR country. What do you do to stop it? It is increasing, and a foreign adversary is actively involved in your neighbouring country over the border using their intelligence agencies to make it worse, they are trying to pour this far right terrorism over the border to cause a crisis in your country that can be exploited. You should watch Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, Chief of Staff to the Secretary of State at the time, talk about doing just that from 20:53 to 23:12 (just 2 minutes).. Keep in mind that he said this BEFORE the huge media explosion about this topic, a full year before China actually opened anything, this talk is from August 2018, several months before the narrative about Uighur camps started in 2019.
Edit: that’s not even the “entire Muslim world”, and you know better than to use the boot of governments as a representation of the people.
The people support it. You should try actually speaking to anyone from muslim countries about whether they like China or the west. The problem is that you do not, you only listen to white western media and white western liberals. You are a nationalist, an american/western empire nationalist. You do not listen to or engage with anything outside the “international community” (Canada/America/EU/Australia grouping of America and the empire’s vassals). You make claims about “the people” while blatantly having no idea what the people in those countries believe because you have never spoken to anyone from them. When’s the last time you spoke to an Iraqi currently living in Iraq? Or anyone currently living in India? Saudi? Iran? Any fucking where? I speak to people in all of them regularly. Through party activities and because I make the conscious EFFORT to seek information outside the western media bubble and western left because if you do not you end up completely and utterly brainwormed.
So anyway, side-rant over and back to the topic at hand. This terrorism is what caused China to go into a mega crackdown on the region. Roadblocks, mass surveillance and police-state shit. Fuck loads of people were dying and the CIA working to pour these islamic fundamentalist separatists over the border from Afghanistan was genuinely causing an enormous issue.
What followed this was several years of increasing their infrastructure to crack down on the region very hard. Followed by the final re-education program that involved some 1-2 million people undergoing the compulsory education programs 5 days per week (allowed to go home on weekends).
This is what put a stop to the violence, and it was this final program that led to America no longer having any purpose for being in Afghanistan anymore, their ability to stoke extremism in the region had finally been completely eliminated. It took considerable time to build up to that though, the important year that began the process was the enormous violence of 2014.
Back to that thought experiment. Tell me, if this was happening in your country - What would you have done?
It was literally always like this. Newspapers had a large fraction of material content dedicated to full and half page ads and regularly included entire sections of an ad as ‘sponsored content’. Half the remainder is PR placement and the other half is establishment propaganda and weather and sports. It was always this way.
This is not a Samsung issue. Your carrier is doing this because you have a carrier locked phone. To prevent it, buy a carrier unlocked phone and it won’t happen.
As long as the difference is $2000 for an unbranded phone vs $20 for a carrier version, I’ll keep putting up with the bullshit (or rather installing a custom ROM). But you are absolutely right. This is mostly a carrier thing. Though of the two times I got an unbranded phone, one of them was the Galaxy 4, and it still had bullshit I couldn’t get rid of or didn’t want. It also was one of the hardest to install custom firmware to. I would never buy a Samsung phone carrier branded or not.
I have a Samsung phone atm (never been loyal to a brand before…I’m always hopping around), and it doesn’t have anything too weird on it.
One minor annoyance is Samsung’s insistence on having their own version of an app for everything…so I have two messaging apps, two file browser apps, two photo gallery apps. At least you can simply disable or hide apps you don’t use.
I will say every phone brand has their own flavor of custom apps they decide to pre-load the phone with. Some just have more than others. I don’t know if any phone brands nowadays have truly and completely stock android on them. Google used to AFAIK, but I think even they have their own custom shit too nowadays.
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