Just uninstalled this after seeing this thread. If you’re on AT&T like I am the package name for Mobile Services Manager is com.dti.att and it has nothing to do with your actual mobile services. All it does is push and update bloatware. I also nuked every AT&T app that I could. I recommend everyone who has Android Studio do this to their phone its easy.
Genuine question here, where are people buying phones that have all of this crap installed on them?
I have only ever bought unlocked phones directly from the manufacturer (pixel, nexus) or from a retailer like best buy and I have never had any carrier crap like this and I started with the nexus one.
I just get the phone and either transfered the physical sim or transferred the sim digitally, at no point has a carrier ever had the ability or permission to install apps on my phone.
I guess maybe because I never saw the point in buying carrier locked phones and always viewed that as a weird arbitrary lockdown(like buying a car that you can only drive on certain highways), I just avoided this? Is that where the bloat ware comes in?
When you buy them from mobile phone companies(T-Mobile, at&t,etc .)you get their bloat ware. This why I also get mine from the manufacturer. Fuck all that bloat ware and it’s unlocked as well.
I bought an unlocked phone directly from the manufacturer and still didn’t get the choice.
Inserting a SIM card wiped the phone and provisioned it, installing all sorts of carrier-provided apps with system-level permissions.
As far as I’ve found, there’s a few possible solutions:
Unlock the bootloader and install a custom ROM that doesn’t automatically install carrier-provided apps. (Warning: This will blow the E-fuse on Samsung devices, disabling biometrics and other features provided by their proprietary HSM).
Manually disable the apps after they’re forcibly installed for you. Install adb on a computer and use pm disable-user --user 0 the.app.package on every app you don’t want. If your OEM ROM is particularly scummy, it might go out of its way to periodically re-enable some of them, though.
Find a SIM card for a carrier that doesn’t install any apps, then insert that into a fresh phone and hope that the phone doesn’t adopt the new carrier’s apps (or wipe the phone) when you insert your actual SIM.
For me inserting a SIM of a particular carrier did not wipe the phone but did install their bloatware on reboot.
Though, using adb to manually remove (actually remove not disable) all that bloatware plus DT Ignite did the trick. I have even rebooted my device and the bloatware did not return.
This isn’t from Samsung. There phones don’t come with this. It’s preloaded from the carrier OP has phone service from. Quit spreading FUD and get your facts straight.
Not OP, but you tend to see these kinds of shenanigans from phones that are locked to carriers, the carriers are the ones who end up pushing the apps onto the phone during an update.
Sprint was pretty bad with their bloat ware back in the day, when I made the switch from my Sprint-locked S6 to my unlocked Pixel 1, I never had that problem again.
My mom and dad have unlocked S22’s and they don’t have these issues as far as I’m aware. I know if my dad did he would have complained about it.
The carrier is not in charge of updates. Updates are pushed by the OEM. If there’s bloatware being loaded onto the phone, it’s because the OEM is allowing it to be.
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I highly recommend lineageOS, or better yet lineageOS with microg.
Running a completely degoogled android phone right now, and it feels smooth as butter. Microg has gotten so good, the vast majority of playstore apps work completely fine even without Google services, including things like my banking apps.
Feels liberating as fuck, not gonna lie.
Only apps that don’t work for me are ones that require IaP’s. About 30% of those I can crack with LuckyPatcher. I can also crack other paid apps with license protection.
Mostly I havent needed to do any of that though, because I’ve found that there are so many great open source apps that do the things I need.
Paid apps are harder to get working, but I’ve had some success patching them with luckypatcher.
Honestly though, the biggest surprise to me was how little I needed those proprietary apps. Usually with a bit of digging I was able to find great open source alternatives.
Same here. Running F-Droid and Aurora Store on CalyxOS. Every app like banking, authenticators and all the others work like a charm. True freedom. You can do everything with your phone what you want. Can even imagine to go back to Google restrictions and horrible bloatware.
This is incorrect. You do not need to log into an account and MicroG works perfectly fine without one. MicroG doesn’t use Google Play Services, it replaces it.
LOS heavily hinders feature set, though. I wouldn’t recommend to anyone that’s not a techie, especially with MicroG.
Samsung features that’ll get removed are:
• Camera. It’ll work in LOS but quality will be much lower without Samsung’s processing.
• Standby time. It’ll last a lot less as LOS doesn’t kill background apps like OneUI does.
• Any sort of audio video enhancement. Dolby Atmos will be completely gone. HDR enchantments won’t be there either.
• Samsung DeX.
• HBM won’t work automatically. On OneUI, if system detects you’re under direct sunlight and auto brightness on; it’ll boost the brightness above regular maximum. You can have this on LOS via LiveDisplay but it isn’t automatic afaik.
• Phone will get hotter when it’s used while charging. OneUI both lowers charging speed and lowers performance (unless you’re in a game) while charging. LOS doesn’t. It might get uncomfortably hot compared to OneUI.
• Noise reduction in voice calls barely work under LOS. This is especially true when calling on speaker, LOS is borderline unusable when there’s even a little bit background noise.
Switching to LOS for a techie is fine, but recommending it to someone who you don’t know how they use their device isn’t great. If OP watches a ton of movies, OneUI will have much better experience. If all OP does is social media, LOS is completely fine.
Well, I wouldn’t recommend anyone who doesn’t have basic computer knowhow try and install a custom rom on their expensive new phone.
But outside of hurdle of getting the custom rom loaded, I don’t think you need to be techie to appreciate or use LineageOs (even with microg).
It’s true that you make some sacrifices when changing to a custom rom. But you are already making significant sacrifices by NOT using one.
Consider the sacrifice of having to create and sign in to multiple accounts when you set up your phone. The sacrifice of not being able to uninstall preloaded bloatware/spyware/adware. The sacrifice of your privacy as Google, Samsung, and a dozen other proprietary apps harvest and sell all your personal information. The sacrifice of your sanity and freewill, as you are bombarded with manipulative targetted advertisements. The sacrifice of not being able to modify, control, or even inspect many aspects of the behavior of your own device. The sacrifice of not actually owning the device that you paid for.
So yeah, my custom rom doesn’t (quite) have the polish of a flagship OS (then again, can you really call an OS that comes preloaded with a bunch of unremovable bloatware polished?). But all those features you listed are basically just fluff, and most people who aren’t hardcore consoomers probably wouldn’t even notice the difference.
I’m not willing to sacrifice my privacy, be exposed to advertising, and have multiple big tech companies control and monitor the use of my device, just to have a camera thats 10% clearer and some ‘HDR enhancements’ etc.
I think that there are many, many non-techie people who would agree with this. But simply buy the latest Samsung or whatever because they don’t think they have a choice, or are scared because they think it will be too different and they will get stuck if they try something else.
LOS by itself is perfectly good and usable by anyone, in fact its probably more suitable to non techies than Samsung is, thanks to the clean UX, and lack of bloat.
LOS with MicroG is also completely usable by most non techies. It just comes with the caveat that certain apps just won’t work, no matter what. That’s obviously an actual sacrifice and people should know in advance before they try it. But most stuff works great, and people who are willing to do a little digging can often find an alternative or a workaround.
At any rate, I don’t think I was really trying to recommend to non-techies in my original post. I figure most people on Lemmy right now are probably somewhat technically inclined, interested in moving away from big corporate tech platforms, and willing to try new things even if they might lack a little polish.
I also run LineageOS, but some apps installed using Aurora will not work since the phone can not prove to be part of the Google bootnet. I think it’s called SafetyNet. How do I get around that problem?
There is an option in the microg settings to enable SafetyNet. I can’t confirm whether it works, since I don’t have any apps that require it. I’ve heard it’s a bit of a cat and mouse game.
I don’t know much about this, since I haven’t needed it myself. But personally, if safetynet uses Google servers or code for authentication, then I’d rather just leave it turned off. Even if it breaks a few apps.
Not being beholden to Google in any way just feels too damn good.
The problem is when those apps are required for banking, identification with government websites and money transfer and no free software alternative exists. Somwhow the government dont see it as a problem to force people to be Google or Apple customers. At the moment I am forced to have two phones. One relatively secure and free with LineageOS and one insecure and nonfree used for banking ++ which I only turn on when I need.
Yeah for sure, it’s pretty fucked. Hopefully I can do my banking through a web browser if my bank ever decides to pull some dumb shit like that.
One thing that really fucks me off, are schools requiring students to use proprietary nonfree software. Windows, adobe, MS office, etc
IMO all schools should be using desktop Linux, and teaching students on free and open source software.
It respects student freedom and privacy, and doesn’t unfairly punish the less financially fortunate. On top of that, it teaches students important lessons about sharing and collaboration. Imagine what the FOSS movement might look like if free and open source became the standard in education.
Verizon does this all the time with my family members no matter who the manufacturer is. If you get the phone from a Verizon store instead of carrier-unlocked they pull this crap all the time.
I remember on some of my older phones Verizon would not only install apps I didn’t want, but they’d flag them as system apps so they couldn’t be disabled.
That’s like saying Samsung shouldn’t allow you to install any apps. If Verizon bought the phone they can put whatever they want on it before they sell it to you. And then when you buy it, you delete or put whatever you want on it.
This happens on unlocked phones too. My Galaxy S21 has apps installed on it whenever I have a different provider (Trafcone, AT&T, etc.). It’s not just when it’s a phone resold from the provider.
Under What to expect on this support page, it says:
The phone branding, network configuration, carrier features, and system apps will be different based on the SIM card you insert or the carrier linked to the eSIM.
The new carrier’s settings menus will be applied.
The previous carrier’s apps will be disabled.
The correct approach from a UX perspective would have been to display an out-of-box experience wizard that gives the user an option to either use the recommended defaults, or customize what gets installed.
Unfortunately, many manufacturers don’t do that, and just install the apps unconditionally and with system-level permissions. And even if they did, it’s likely that many of the carrier apps will either have a manifest value that requires them to be installed, be unlabeled (e.g. com.example.carrier.msm.mdm.MDM), or misleadingly named to appear essential (e.g. “Mobile Services Manager”).
Anecdotally, I can confirm otherwise. I bought an unlocked Galaxy phone directly from Samsung, and putting in a SIM card provisioned it for my cell provider and installed their apps.
Thankfully, I’m not on a provider that pushes adware.
It’s possible that Google doesn’t, although that would be weird since the ability to push apps is probably standardized and baked into the stock Android OS source code.
Or maybe you just used MVNOs that don’t purposefully install anything that isn’t strictly necessary.
Android OS developers or software devs working for cell providers would probably know the answer, though.
No, it’s nothing like that at all. Apple doesn’t let carriers install bloat onto their phones. I’m pretty sure Pixels don’t get this sort of bloat. But Samsung clearly does.
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