Except you don’t need to eat animals and so it is the same. You’re killing animals for your entertainment, just because you eat them after that doesn’t change anything.
the person doing the killing is usually paid by someone but most people are neither killing nor paying the killers. they are both paid long before someone walks into a grocery store.
they are paid because people buy the products. if nobody bought the products, there would be no money in it. are you trying to say that people would be paid to kill animals even if nobody bought animal products?
Its not buying it that causes the death, its that you’ve shown you want the meat, so the company is killing the animal to produce the meat for you to buy.
You want meat, they produce meat. You dont want meat, they stop producing meat.
what i wrote is that being vegan has not had the effect you are proposing it would. you are making up a scenario where it might work and asking why i don’t think it would work in that scenario.
being vegan is literally about not supporting the meat industry, so i genuinely do not understand what you’re trying to say. that one person alone being vegan won’t make a difference? that not supporting the meat industry is the same as supporting the meat industry, which is demonstrably false? i don’t know of a more easy and effective way for a single person to make a difference than to stop supporting it altogether, and broad change starts with individuals deciding to make that change.
yeah dude vegans make up a pretty small portion of the population, so of course the meat industry hasn’t been just erased like magic. societal changes like this happen at a glacial pace and the idea is that more people become vegan over time and thus demand for those products gradually falls. even if 10% of the population went vegan, demand for those products would fall by 10% and there would be that many less animals killed for it because it would not be profitable.
to claim that it is ineffective is like claiming that eating healthy makes no difference from eating like shit after doing it for a single day and not seeing amazing results.
to claim that it is ineffective is like claiming that eating healthy makes no difference from eating like shit after doing it for a single day and not seeing amazing results.
markets don’t follow natural law like biology does.
i think you need to look up how supply and demand works. i’ve exhausted my “arguing with people on the internet who clearly don’t want their minds changed” time for today, so have a good one.
i’m intimately aware of the price discovery theory you’ve mentioned, but it does not have any real predictive power, and it makes no claims about how production levels are impacted by markets.
Furthermore, I don’t care what you think. You come up with silly bullshit like ‘you’re killing animals for entertainment’ as if they’re not consumed for food. Dislike meat eating all you want, but use your fucking brain - if it’s being killed for consumption (it’s an industry, so like, that part is important, capitalism gotta cha-ching or it’s not doing it’s insidious thing) and the factories aren’t putting out a live stream, in fact, they go to great lengths to make sure NO ONE from the outside see how the sausage is made. So it’s not entertainment.
With thoughts like these, it would be counterproductive to waste any time caring what you think about, that would be a waste of calories.
I don’t eat for entertainment, I don’t have that kind of budget.
and I don’t think the people eating pork are doing it from a “GEE THIS SURE IS LUXURIOUS INPUT” - I think it’s mostly cheap protein with many downsides.
yes I still eat bacon when I can get it. no I don’t consider it ‘entertainment’ .
Imagine I have two choices: end world hunger, or end world hunger and kick a puppy. If I choose to end world hunger but also kick a puppy…well I’m kinda a dick, right? Ultimately I did a very good thing ending word hunger, so on balance, my actions are “net positive.” But the choice I actually made was to kick a puppy.
Now, I need to eat. So I have a choice: eat yummy food and don’t kill an animal, or eat yummier food and do kill and animal. The choice I’m effectively faced with is, “kill an animal for better taste.”
It’s totally up to you to decide if that is a good choice for you personally.
If course it’s not always so simple, and there are financial, cultural, and health reasons that complicate this. But for some folks (like myself) that’s kinda how I view it.
Oh I fully agree that not eating meat is the better alternative. I just thing the meme was stupid. There’s plenty of valid reasons to promote eating less meat without making up strawmen
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