OP has said elsewhere in the thread that they knew this couple at the time and she did not have a meaningful say in the situation. She was threatened with divorce if she had gotten the vaccine. For a lot of women, their economic situations are such that a sudden divorce would likely lead to poverty and homelessness as well as loss of meaningful support for any of their children.
Then you don’t have a very good understanding of what domestic abuse situations are actually like. I hope that you can expand your understanding through empathetic learning and that you don’t have to learn via personal or close vicarious experience.
Even if it did, his wife isn’t there to say he stopped her in a legal fashion. Like she is a grown adult that made a horrible decision to support her husband. But I don’t think it’s a legal manslaughter or something along those lines.
Deserved too. I blame the dipshit that was president for it though. All he had to do was say to wear a mask and get vaccinated and so many lives would have been saved. The whole fighting over it would never have happened. It’s really pathetic, and these mouthbreathers are trying to vote his dumbass back in.
Sure, but that kind of thing mostly refers to housing and income. It would be trivial to get vaccinated without telling your spouse or anyone else who wants to make a big deal out of it. This lady made the bet that appeasing her husband was more important than getting vaccinated and she lost that bet. Her husband certainly bears a large portion of the blame for creating the situation she found herself in but she could have easily found her way out of it without causing a fuss. She chose not to.
I don’t think you’ve been in a relationship like what I’m talking about, and I’m glad for you. Emotional abuse is terrifying. I live it and it’s absolutely killing me and because of money I can do nothing different.
I’m sure it is a very unpleasant situation to be in. That doesn’t change the fact that getting vaccinated is simple, cheap, and as anonymous as you would like it to be.
You can call it whatever you like but it won’t make what I’m saying any less true. Getting vaccinated is intentionally easy to do. Laws prohibit doctors and any organization with access from sharing medical records. A shitty spouse has less control over this choice than the vast majority of choices in your life.
I’m sending the message to anyone reading this that it is possible to get vaccinated even if there are people in your life who don’t want you to do that. What are you doing besides telling people it’s important to get vaccinated unless it’s a bit more difficult than it should be? Who does that help? Everyone already knows that abusive spouses are dicks. That fact doesn’t need any more attention.
It’s not a universal truth that you can just choose to get a vaccination without making an appointment or needing to involve insurance etc.
In a hypothetical extreme scenario, imagine having to weigh the risks between getting the vaccine that will potentially save your life and unexpectedly getting an appointment reminder text/email or follow-up contact that alerts the controlling partner and they potentially end your life for the “transgression.”
The vaccine being “cheap” is also not universal and if you aren’t allowed personal discretionary spending anything >$0 isn’t cheap enough.
Yes, you’ve successfully summarized the situation this woman may have faced. She chose to let the fear of her spouse make her decision for her. Did she make the right decision? I don’t think so. She’s still dead. At least if she was murdered for choosing to get vaccinated it could be said that she did everything she could to keep herself alive. Maybe that’s a meaningless distinction and maybe it isn’t. I think that comes down to the way you view personal responsibility. Still, whether coerced or not her decision lead to her death and that’s worth pointing out no matter how unfortunate you find the circumstances that lead up to it.
You are of course free to disagree with that assessment but I am firmly of the belief that getting vaccinated is always better than not getting vaccinated unless you have a valid medical reason to avoid vaccination.
This is pretty yikes man. I hope that you’re still like in high school or something and have time to grow a little because the thought of someone having as little compassion or understanding as yourself is concerning.
Making excuses for the unvaccinated is no different than promoting antivax misinformation. Dressing it up as empathy to make it more palatable to your political leanings doesn’t change anything meaningful about what you’re saying. Unless a (non-crackpot) doctor tells you not to get vaccinated you should be vaccinated. Full stop. There is no amount of social pressure that you should allow to make medical decisions for you.
That’s the kind of vague, self righteous platitude people give when they don’t have an actual response. Assuming you’re not some antivax dipshit I guarantee you’ve said something exactly like the final sentence of my last post in the previous four years. Yet here you are saying it’s fine for people to not get vaccinated as long as they have someone else to blame that choice on. Sure, you’re not framing it exactly that way but of course you wouldn’t, that would be stupid and you’re not stupid, right? You’re just making an emotional appeal and hoping it’s convincing enough to make people forget that there aren’t supposed to be exceptions to the vaccine mandate for people with sufficiently annoying relatives.
If all it takes for you to abandon your convictions is someone agreeing with you in a way that you don’t completely approve of then you don’t have a sincerely held belief, you have a socially conditioned emotional response. But I already know you don’t care about being logically consistent enough to actually think about what I’m saying. You got the bad feeling from what I said. I wasn’t being perfectly inclusive. I didn’t check the right mental boxes to get past the NiceGuy™ filter in your head. You can think of one extreme example that maybe doesn’t quite allow for an absolute statement to be made on vaccination therefore I must be wrong, even though saying so would require contradicting yourself.
Let’s shut it down there and get out of here, this guy is just an asshole, right? Right…
There’s a big difference between choosing to not get vaccinated and being coerced into it.
Defending her is not defending the unvaccinated; it’s acknowledging that she was a victim of abuse and that abuse has extreme psychological effects that you clearly don’t truly understand.
Being a victim of any sort of abuse does not remove your free will. I know it makes you feel like you’re being understanding by justifying whatever choices they make but that only sounds nice on a surface level. You’re dehumanizing these people by saying they have no control over their own lives and reducing them to side characters in someone more powerful’s story. That’s not empathy or nuance or whatever else you want to call it. It’s enabling abusive people by perpetuating the idea that victims of abuse aren’t strong enough to oppose them. I doubt these people would appreciate you remembering their lives in such a reductive and impotent way.
Every time I’m astounded at the hot-garbage blend of thinking that reduces to: “here are some pseudo-legal and actually legal measures I’m using to assert that your laws don’t apply to me.”
One of the sovcit court transcripts had a guy who refused to answer to his given name and insisted on being called Freedom Rings. Like are you seriously going to expect a judge to call you that lol.
To be fair, naming yourself is possibly the only concept consistent with the whole sovcit “I’m my own person”, uh, “philosophy.” The rest just seems like wishy-washy nonsense to me. But yeah, that probably didn’t go over well.
This looks like the worthless spooge at the top of every job advert.
Look. I don’t give a flying as to whether your company is a ‘top employer’ or ‘leading the region in paper sales’; or whatever. That makes absolutely nothing for value to the job seeker just hoping to confirm it’s not phone sex.
I liked the Motion Recruitment ads, for what it’s worth: "Widgetron designs 13-tooth stepdown wormgears. They need a sysadmin to join a team running 300:1 rhel9 with mgmtConfig automation who can run with the upgrade. They’re offering c$115k. 15 days + 1day/3yr and avoidable standby. union. " Just facts and terms so the applicant can skim and filter properly.
I don’t know whether it’s a nerd thing, but the flowery onanist junk isn’t any use to us.
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