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Roflmasterbigpimp , to lemmyshitpost in Just doing my part šŸ¤”
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Why not use ā€œstrawā€ straws again?

MacNCheezus OP ,
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Iā€™m guessing itā€™s because thereā€™s not as much profit for billionaires in it.

Roflmasterbigpimp ,
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Ah yes, I forgot.

MacNCheezus OP ,
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I mean, letā€™s be honest, thatā€™s how the system works. Apart from essential goods, most demand is entirely artificial and generated either by advertising (luxury goods), or, in this case, more covertly by manipulating the public opinion and, if necessary, bribing a few public officials to pass a law that makes your product mandatory.

Swedneck ,
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Pasta straws seem like the obvious solution, it takes at least 5 minutes to soften in BOILING water, itā€™s gonna last at least that long in a chilled beverage, and then if you throw it in the forest thatā€™s literally just food

lemmesay , to lemmyshitpost in Just doing my part šŸ¤”
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let me add my contribution to this meme:

https://discuss.tchncs.de/pictrs/image/d1a2106f-fbbd-4b14-9c3b-156a2f0fa580.png

image description: a luxurious inside view of a private jet, in which another jet is flying inside.
the text above it reads, ā€œTaylor swift yendo al baƱo de su jet.ā€
lit: Taylor swift going to her jetā€™s bathroom.

madcaesar , to lemmyshitpost in Just doing my part šŸ¤”

I donā€™t know if all these recent jet memes are people just joking around or are you people actually convinced private jets are the problem?

Taylor swift, and every single billionaire alive could be flying 24/7/365 OR NOT and it would make absolutely no difference to fighting climate change.

The main polluters are industry and farming.

All this other shit around are just distractions keeping you from actually going after the people that are causing our crisis.

I donā€™t know if itā€™s astroturfing or what, but it seems like itā€™s deliberate manipulation to keep people inactive.

You memeing on Tylor or using wood straws, or recycling your soda can does fuck all. A single paper plant will dump out so much co2 and pollution that will negate the effort of millions.

MacNCheezus OP ,
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Well, none of that matters anyways when China now emits almost twice as much CO2 as the US and is basically single-handedly not just absorbing all the rest of the worldā€™s reduction efforts, but increasing the global output enormously.

https://lemmy.today/pictrs/image/96bd44c9-81be-4b76-a0cc-024650d306c4.png

Anti_Iridium ,

Double the emissions for 4 times the people? Damn thatā€™s pretty efficient in comparison.

jj4211 ,

While thatā€™s efficient by comparison, the atmosphere doesnā€™t really give us a break for per-capita adjustments. Yes, the US is more irresponsible per capita and they need to fix that. However China gets more bang-for-the-buck in per-capita improvements when it comes to the actual environmental impact.

Depends on whether we are talking about where to optimize for best impact, or whether we are talking about fairness of blame.

lemmesay ,
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the data you shared only shows half the picture. if you take into account cumulative emissions, the US isnā€™t doing any good. itā€™s responsible fit a quarter of emissions to date.

https://discuss.tchncs.de/pictrs/image/20d899de-f69a-4932-a9f7-943c93a4a44a.png

source: ourworldindata.org/ā€¦/cumulative-co-emissions

evranch ,

Past emissions are just assigning blame, future emissions are all that matters. USA emissions have peaked, China is growing exponentially. Thatā€™s a problem.

TokenBoomer ,

Blame matters, when the worldā€™s leading economy at the time did fuck all to remedy the situation.

CheeseNoodle ,

I think you mean deliberately sabotaged attempts at climate talks for decades.

lemmesay ,
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the US(and Europe) emitted tons for centuries and became developed. and now when others want to do the same, the US goes bonkers.

and donā€™t talk about alternatives, since the developed world canā€™t even give 100 billion dollars to developing nations they promised years(in 2009) ago.

MacNCheezus OP ,
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Thatā€™s cumulative as in ā€œfrom the beginning of timeā€ (as far as we have record allowing us to estimate). It merely proves that the US has had a head start in all this because they industrialized at a large scale far earlier than China. But as you can see, Chinaā€™s curve is literally steeper than anyone elseā€™s, having already almost caught up to the EU in a mere 50 years.

DingoBilly ,

A lot of it is political at end of day.

Taylor Swift is looking to be a supporter of the Democratic Party in US, so the Republicans are running targeted attacks on her to reduce credibility as the election is coming up.

Itā€™s nothing new but just be aware that people posting these memes may just be bots/paid marketers essentially.

thatKamGuy , to lemmyshitpost in Just doing my part šŸ¤”

I recently visited China, to meet my wifeā€™s extended family.

Let me tell you, the sheer amount of single-use plastics that are consumed by any individual throughout a regular day in a metropolitan environment, is absolutely and mind-numbingly depressing.

Given that there are 1.3b people there, and that no matter how much we in the US/AU/EU reduce/reuse/recycle - we will never be able to truly offset that sheer amount of plastic pollution produced.

Now Iā€™m not saying this to be a doomer, but more-so to say that individuals canā€™t enact sufficient change to save this planet, we need Government and corporate incentives to shift towards sustainable alternatives, and punitive policies to disincentivise plastic production globally.

lemmesay ,
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plastic waste per capita: the US is at top(if we exclude small island nations)
plastic waste in absolute terms: the US is not far behind China, with India at a distant third place.

the reduction is plastic waste generation in China is far more than that of US^1^.

so, what I mean to say is that more people ā‰  more pollution. but I do agree that the problem is to be tackled with active participation of the government, which wonā€™t be there because of muh economy.


[1]: By 2016, Chinaā€™s overall plastic waste production had fallen to 21.60 million tons, a reduction of nearly 28 million tons (for comparison, U.S. production fell less than 4 tons during the same time period). Moreover, despite being one of the largest overall producers of plastic waste, Chinaā€™s per capita production of plastic waste was one of the lowest in the world in 2016 at 15.6 kilograms a year per person.

flango ,

Nice!!

lemmesay ,
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o instance de vc e do brasil? tem contente do portuguĆŖs?

Blyfh ,

Ist das eine deutsche Instanz? Ist dir Deutsch gerecht?

lemmesay ,
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haha, it is indeed an instance by a German hosted in Germany, but is a general-purpose instance.

Nudding ,

Oh man thatā€™s a drop in the bucket compared to medical/industrial/commercial plastic waste lol.

Dozzi92 ,
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I did the ambulance thing for a bit. CPR calls, the back of the ambulance, despite being covered in fluids, looked like a recycling center. And none of it gets recycled, obviously, all just gets red bagged or containered. Everything is individually wrapped, and for obvious reasons, but Iā€™d have days where I could match my familyā€™s plastic use for the week or more in 12 hours.

Nudding ,

One day doing, even just residential construction produces more plastic waste than an entire family of 4 for a month I would reckon.

jj4211 ,

Though in that particular scenario, while it feels wasteful, for an average person is exceedingly rare. The only paramedic supply Iā€™ve had used on me in my lifetime was when my car got rear ended badly and they gave me a blanket because I just conversationally mentioned it was kind of cold while they were checking in with me. Going for a dental cleaning or a physical thereā€™ll be some single use plastics to be sure, but again, only like 3 times a year usually.

Colour_me_triggered ,

Are you advocating reusing syringes?

Nudding ,

No, Iā€™m saying as a species, weā€™re fucked.

Colour_me_triggered ,

That much, everyone can agree on.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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Given that there are 1.3b people there

The majority of Chinese residents donā€™t live in metro zones, work office jobs, and eat fast food, though.

Also, very common to find reusable metal straws (and cups and utensils) outside the US. Korea and Japan both overwhelmingly favor washable utensils, as do cities south of the US border (I stopped seeing disposables once I got outside Mexico City proper and I never saw them in Jamaica or Cozemel outside the airport/seaport). There are zero disposables in Havana. The very idea is alien to them.

nxdefiant ,

Something like 60%+ of China is urban. The majority definitely live in urban areas.

statista.com/ā€¦/urban-and-rural-population-of-chinā€¦

Colour_me_triggered ,

Pft! Facts are sooooo 2019!

BabyVi ,

Lots of places in the US wonā€™t recycle the supposedly ā€œrecyclableā€ plastics, it ends up in a landfill regardless of what you do. I remember all the educational initiatives about the importance of recycling when I was a kid. Turns out it was all just propaganda to make us feel responsible for problems caused by corporations.

TokenBoomer , to lemmyshitpost in Just doing my part šŸ¤”

Taylor Swift needs to relax her Triangle of Sadness.

Swedneck , to lemmyshitpost in Just doing my part šŸ¤”
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i really do not understand where this idea that plastic has something to do with the climate came from, how do people imagine that to work?

No, the point of not using plastic is to not have plastics blowing around on the street for 50 years before itā€™s degraded into microplastics that instead enter our bodies.

tweeks ,

But the image states the environment right, not specifically the climate.

menemen ,
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They said " environment", not climate.

Hupf ,

No, no. Itā€™s beyond the environment. Itā€™s not in an environment.

Anti_Iridium ,
Elric ,

Someone always says this. Predictable now.

dangblingus ,

Oil is processed into polymers and has plasticizers added to it to become a drinking straw, a process that emits mucho carbon.

jaschen ,

Honestly, Iā€™m just sick of picking it up on my local beach. That and plastic bags. Iā€™m sick of picking up plastic bags.

PointyDorito ,
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Some materials have higher carbon emissions than others, in terms of refinement, processing, and transportation. The third point is location dependant, but creating and shaping different materials will have different contributions to global warming.

Edit: There are also concerns with the productā€™s end of lifespan. How long it takes to biodegrades, how easily recyclable it is, and how much the available disposal methods will effect the environment. Plastic is not great on several of these accounts. Recycling plastic water bottles isnā€™t very efficient either, compared to glass bottles for instance.

Napain , to lemmyshitpost in Just doing my part šŸ¤”

notice how they wrote billionaire and not Taylor, very good

1rre ,

Implicitly includes Taylor though, sheā€™s not off the hook

Just all the others are also on the hook now

RagingRobot ,

Maybe if we make her feel bad about it she will give away enough to just be a millionaire

tswiftchair ,

Then there would be 2,639 billionaires instead of 2,640 billionaires.

Excrubulent ,
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Sure it does, but we should ask why she became the meme and not any of the other billionaires, who are overwhelmingly white men.

Itā€™s like when I pointed out to my kid that the Karen meme is pretty sexist, they pointed out that thereā€™s also Ken. And I asked them, in all the meme compilations they watch, how many Kens are there for every ten Karens? They said, ā€œmaybe 2 or 3.ā€ I pointed out that that imbalance is the problem, and they were like, ā€œoooohh yeah.ā€

A 10 year old gets this when itā€™s explained to them simply. Anyone who pretends they donā€™t get this is covering for something they donā€™t want to admit.

MacNCheezus OP ,
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I didnā€™t make that meme myself but I debated changing it to something Taylor Swift related for a moment, but then I thought that horse was pretty much dead already so I just left it as it is. Sheā€™s certainly not the only one doing this sort of stuff.

lawrence , to lemmyshitpost in Just doing my part šŸ¤”

Thatā€™s the equivalent of a lot of straws.

Che_Donkey , to lemmyshitpost in When you wonder why the guy in front of you at the self checkout is taking so long
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should be doom

MacNCheezus OP ,
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Che_Donkey ,
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Brilliant

tias ,

Iā€™m all for making Minecraft the new Doom

yamapikariya ,
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Someone did that on a calculator

i_am_hiding ,
ivanafterall , to cat in Delivery!
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My dog does this, too. I come in carrying every bag, to avoid the dreaded second trip, and she pulls me down further, by sticking her nose in each bag, one-by-one to see if anything good is inside.

zfr OP ,

loll

actionjbone , to cat in Delivery!

His name is Digiorno.

callouscomic , to lemmyshitpost in Just doing my part šŸ¤”

Taylor on the way to, ah forget it.

aaaa , to lemmyshitpost in When you wonder why the guy in front of you at the self checkout is taking so long

Typical WinCo shopper, absolutely no awareness of the people around them

dastechniker , to lemmyshitpost in When you wonder why the guy in front of you at the self checkout is taking so long

o shit minecraft pre-beta 1.8 nice

doctorcrimson OP , to mildlyinfuriating in I know how much you dudes get off to pushing YouTube Frontends so here is YouTube recently replacing the comments section on desktop, Cheers

Honestly, itā€™s very frustrating because I rely on YouTube as a Creator and avid Commentator and I absolutely wonā€™t give out the credentials used to post things to another party.

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