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vashti , to linux in Today GNU/Linux is 32 years old

Seems like only yesterday I was co-admining my first public server in 1996.

Fun times.

NaoPb ,

Good on you. I was still watching cartoons in 1996. To be fair I matured very late (if ever).

OceanSoap , to lemmyshitpost in My posts are apperently not artsy enough for Internet funeral

He could pull it off!

ciko22i3 , to linux in Today GNU/Linux is 32 years old
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What are AT-harddisks? Google is not helpful.

muddybulldog ,

Aka PATA or IDE hard disks. Basically consumer grade kit.

The statement that the kernel would only ever handle IDE was basically a confession that this would never be a product suitable for enterprise or professional use where SCSI was the typical interface.

30p87 ,

To be fair, it’s actually not suitable for professional use. That’d be an understatement, it’s damn perfect for literally everything!

PlasticExistence ,

You had me in the first half, not gonna lie

ciko22i3 ,
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except running solidworks 🥲

qyron ,

Yet…

TalesFromTheKitchen ,
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I’m not quite sure, but maybe it refers to the IBM PC AT ( model 5170) hard drive?

mrgreyeyes , to lemmyshitpost in My posts are apperently not artsy enough for Internet funeral

Not my proudest fap.

dublet ,
mexicancartel , to linux in Today GNU/Linux is 32 years old

Benedict

aksdb ,

Cumber-bash

mexicancartel ,

…? I didn’t get it

aksdb ,
mexicancartel ,

Oh haha lol

GenderNeutralBro , to linux in Today GNU/Linux is 32 years old

No way Linux is 32! I remember when it first came out and it was just…oh.

Don’t mind me, I’ll just be here yelling at the cloud.

Kongar ,

Sigh, my condolences. I’m shouting right beside you. I first learned about linux in 1993 in college. I got it working on a shiny new 486 with super vga graphics. We were allowed access to the college’s aix mainframes and thus the internet via a slip connection - but only through Unix like systems. Linux was amazing, I couldn’t believe we had x going, and loading up cad, matlab, maple, ftp, fsp, irc, nettrek, and everything else possible in the computer centers - but over a telephone line from our apartment.

Magical.

Funny how it really only became my daily driver three ish years ago - despite using it forever. Cuz games - glad that’s changed finally.

WhiskyTangoFoxtrot ,

Most of the cloud runs Linux.

MrNoodleBox , to programmerhumor in no cap

Reminds me of Rockstar. The example also implements Fizz Buzz.

rt136us ,

That’s my favorite esoteric programming language!

aseriesoftubes , to programmerhumor in no cap

I have to say, I like the substitution of yeet for return. No cap.

gpw OP ,

All of my returns are going to be yeet from now on

My code reviewers will respond to my commits with on god 🙏

My manager will do girl math to determine my next raise

technohacker ,
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Rust has an RFC that wants to consider yeet as a keyword for throwing an exception, I think they’re currently keeping it as a placeholder just in case

vanZuider ,

AFAIK they’re not seriously considering it as a keyword, but they agreed that in all discussion about the semantics of exceptions they will use “yeet” as a placeholder for the keyword, so people will actually discuss the semantics and not whether the keyword is gonna be “raise”, “throw”, “except” or whatever (so-called Bikeshed Effect)

Littleborat , to linux in Today GNU/Linux is 32 years old

I whish I was 32 happy birthday

NegativeLookBehind , to programmerhumor in no cap
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My eyes are bleeding

gpw OP ,

The path to salvation is filled with terrors and temptation

no cap

aggelalex , to linux in Today GNU/Linux is 32 years old

It is NOT portable (uses 386 task switching etc), and it probably never will support anything other than AT-harddisks, as that’s all I have :-(.

Famous last words

wmassingham ,

*protable

indepndnt ,

Imagine making a typo and it continually being shared and highlighted for over 30 years.

Kinda makes me glad I’ll never be famous for anything.

ChaoticNeutralCzech ,

TIL Linus B. Torvalds is anti-table

tokyo , to linux in Today GNU/Linux is 32 years old

This is an interesting piece of history that I have never seen. Thanks for sharing

ipacialsection , to linux in Today GNU/Linux is 32 years old
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Well, Linux is 32 years old; GNU goes back to 1984, and Unix all the way back to 1970! The history of this OS is much older than Linus Torvalds’s involvement; he “only” created and maintains the most popular kernel.

But yes, happy birthday to Linux. Many thousands have contributed to making this operating system what it is today and they all have my utmost thanks for it.

lars ,

It is a happy coincidence that the evening before the 1970s began, at 4pm Pacific, they decided to invent UNIX.

lord_ryvan ,

How so?

floofloof ,

I think it’s a joke about how UNIX timestamps work. They count milliseconds from January 1st 1970, 00:00:00 UTC, which is 4pm the day before in PST. So the happy coincidence is that they invented UNIX at the very millisecond when its clock starts.

There, ruined the joke.

lord_ryvan ,

Oh right, the UNIX epoch actually starts when UNIX was invented

Somehow, I didn’t expect that…

TrustingZebra ,

The world didn’t exist before 1970.

polskilumalo ,
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JokeDeity ,

My brain gets numb when I start thinking about all the branches that have come from Unix… and the branches from those branches and so on.

RandomVideos ,

Are you sure unix will be created in the year 3.843063914 E+5636(1970!)

How would anything even survive 3.843063914 E+5636 years after the end of the universe to make unix

Deebster ,
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They misspoke: Hurd will be usable in year 1970!

AlmightySnoo , to linux in Today GNU/Linux is 32 years old
@AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world avatar

won’t be big and professional like gnu

that didn’t age well

Mereo ,

And this:

and it probably never will support anything other than AT-harddisks

RedWeasel ,

Sure it aged well. WAY WAY BIGGER than gnu.

wgs ,
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Weight your words my friend! GNU’s a behemoth !

GCC alone is almost as big as Linux. Add core/binutils, the Hurd, … And you easily outclass the kernel itself !


<span style="color:#323232;">~ $ du -sh linux-6.4.12/ gcc-13.2.0/                    1.5G    linux-6.4.12/                                   1.1G    gcc-13.2.0/
</span>

Oh, and Emacs.

Emanuel ,

Speaking as someone that doesn’t understand computers very well: is Hurd usable as a kernel nowadays?

kionite231 ,

Yes if you cherry pick the hardware :)

flashgnash ,

What is actually the point of using hurd other than being able to say you use Hurd though?

Dunstabzugshaubitze ,

Maybe it hurds in a good way.

Nah, it’s a kernel it does kernel stuff and does not offer anything a normal user notices compared to other kernels.

It might be interesting for people who work on kernels just to see different ways on how to solve common problems.

KSPAtlas ,
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afaik microkernels have a security advantage since kernel modules do not share the same address space as the main kernel or other modules

schnurrito ,

Possibly licensing reasons. Linux is GPLv2 only, Hurd seems to be GPLv2 or later, there could be reasons you may want to use something under the GPLv3.

jsnc ,

Hurd is not a monolithic kernel, so it’s an interesting technical endeavor. It’s also a GNU package which means it’s guaranteed to stay libre.

Hurd is also a smaller project relative to linux without the many eyes of the Linux board members.

beyond ,

That’s debatable, since what people generally call “Linux” is more GNU than Linux anyway. “Linux” as the Linux fandom considers is it big and professional like GNU, because it is GNU (among other things).

xill47 ,

But what about Linux distributions compiled without GNU tools? Most popular Linux distribution’s kernel currently is compiled with Clang, not GCC, and as far as I am aware does not include anything from GNU. Of course Linux is historically influenced by GNU, but in current day and age they are orthogonal

duncesplayed ,

It doesn’t change the larger point that GNU is way bigger than Linux, though. There are a tonne of things that are larger than Linux, and GNU is one of them.

xill47 ,

That is an entirely different argument which I did not contest and the comment I have answered to did not make

EDIT: Although, it depends on what we define as “bigger”. Binary size is certainly bigger, but user adoption is abysmal comparatively.

beyond ,

but user adoption is abysmal comparatively

I guess this is a matter of perspective. What I was saying in my previous comment is that what people commonly refer to as “Linux” (as in “Linux distributions”) is not just Linux (which is just a kernel) but also includes a bunch of other stuff, including GNU (that is what GNU/Linux refers to). If you’re talking about the actual thing called Linux, you’d be right, because most GNU systems are GNU/Linux systems, whereas arguably most Linux systems are not GNU systems; Alpine and Android are non-GNU Linux systems.

However, if like many in the Linux fandom you discount Android, then most Linux systems are GNU systems and vice-versa.

xill47 ,

Why would I discount the most popular applications of the kernel? That is almost the whole userbase

beyond ,

I wouldn’t either, but you see the sentiment especially among the !linuxphones crowd. The fact that Android is Linux is significant because it does in fact allow you to run so-called “Linux apps” (either under Termux or under a dedicated chroot set up by something like UserLAnd) and that is something to be lauded. Android has problems but not being “real Linux” is not among them.

b3nsn0w ,
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hi rms

RickyRigatoni ,
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Allow me to interject for a moment…

jsnc ,

I mean the GPL allowed linux to become a commercial entity. And the whole “professional” outlook is because theres a ton of companies who contribute either funds or development to the project.

skadden ,
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I appreciate the absolute humility though

fluxion , to programmerhumor in no cap

And that’s how rappers became the top programmers in the industry

gpw OP ,

Can’t wait to see Lil Yachty around work

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