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nasi_goreng , (edited ) to asklemmy in What Major Social Media Platforms Would You Like To See Federated Alternatives To That Don't Exist Yet?
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Instead of yet another globally massive social media, I want to see regional social media that’s not massive globally, but popular in their country of origin. Or niche social media.

List so far:

  • Post.news
  • Koo (India)
  • Cohost
  • Hive
  • Plurk (still relatively popular in Taiwan)
  • Lofter (Chinese Tumblr)
  • Xiaohongshu (Chinese version of Instagram and Pinterest on one app, probably Pixelfed can clone their unique UI)
  • Lemon8
  • Weibo

Art general:

  • Cara
  • Artstation
  • Xfolio
  • Pixiv
  • Deviantart

Design:

  • Dribbbble
  • Behance

Hobby specific:

  • Anilist
  • Kitsu
  • Annict (Japanese anime-tracker and social)
  • ComicSpace (Japanese manga tracker)
  • MyAnimeList
  • MyFigureCollection
  • MyDramaList
crashoverride ,

I see we’re going with this, but it wouldn’t work. As there are already alternatives within the larger social media framework, like subreddits and sublemmings? How the hell you want to say it. With the point still stands, that regional social media will never work as there will always be better alternatives within a bigger social media platform

nasi_goreng ,
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Local social media is different from bigger social media platform.

Those big social media generally are American/Western-centric. Sure, you can find local community on them, but their moderation system are often still Western-centric.

You’ll surprised on how often other language being moderated (deleted/removed) because it mistaken as hate speech. For example, word that in certain language has neutral meaning, but mistaken as offensive in English.

Also, local social media often designed to local culture. Xiaohongshu and Plurk are the primary example. Entirely unique UI and user experience.

Even fediverse also this cultural-focused software. Take a look on Misskey (a Japanese-made fediverse software), it primarily designed for Japanese internet culture, which entirely different from Mastodon or Pleroma.

crashoverride ,

Local will never take off tho.theres only one way that can happen and that one thing will never. It is if we broke up all the big social media companies.

nasi_goreng ,
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They don’t need to get big like Meta or any Western social media.

They simply need to serve their targeted demography well to be able to survive. A lot of East Asian platform doing basically that, still alive even after a 15+ years.

jabathekek , to piracy in this can't be real. is it?
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Scummy.

nxdefiant , to piracy in this can't be real. is it?

It’s true, one does not simply log into Mordor.

AernaLingus , (edited ) to piracy in this can't be real. is it?

Apparently so

According to a site admin from that forum post (which is from April 2021–who knows where things stand now):

If you use the OpenSubtitles website manually, you will have advertisements on the web site, NOT inside the subtitles.

If you use some API-software to download subtitles (Plex, Kodi, BSPlayer or whatever), you are not using the web site, so you do NOT have these web advertisements. To compensate this, ads are being added on-the-fly to the subtitles itself.

Also, from a different admin

add few words from my side - it is good you are talking about ads. They not generating a lot of revenue, but on other side we have more VIP subscriptions because of it :) We have in ads something like “Become VIP member and Remove all ads…”

Also, the ads in subtitles are always inserted on “empty” space. It is never in middle of movie. What Roozel wrote - “I think placing those ads at the beginning and end is somewhat OK but not in the middle or at random points in the film” - should not happen, if yes, send me the subtitle.

If the subtitle is from tv series, there are dialogues from beginning usually. System is finding “quiet” place where ads would fit, and yes, this can be after 3 minutes of dialogue…

This is important to know, I hope now it is more clear about subtitle ads - why we are doing this, there is possibility to remove them and how system works.

so a scenario like in the screenshot isn’t supposed to happen. I guess if you really wanted to see if it happens you could grab all the English subs via the API and just do a quick grep or what-have-you

Semi-Hemi-Demigod ,
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All the ones I've seen have been in the credits. Putting it in the middle of a movie is kinda shitty, but guarantees the ads are at least seen.

conciselyverbose ,

Jesus Christ fuck them. "Fair is fair"?

amio ,

You'd think they were making the damn things themselves.

conciselyverbose ,

Yeah, if they weren't sourced by people giving them to them under other pretenses I wouldn't judge.

Appoxo ,
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And who pays for the servers and uptime?
You think that’s cheap? lmao

GravitySpoiled OP ,

Thank you for this!

ares35 ,
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i've had ads inside of subs downloaded via browser. whenever i see them, i load 'em up in my sub editor and remove them. i usually have to adjust timing anyway as my sources are rarely the same.

matey ,

What sub editor do you use?

ElegantBiscuit ,

Not the person you responded to and its been a while since I’ve done it, but I’m pretty sure you can just open the file with notepad (or TextEdit on Mac), scroll down to the timestamp, make the changes, and save the file.

ares35 ,
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it's been a few months since i've had that pc booted-up, but i think this is the one:

https://www.videohelp.com/software/Subtitle-Workshop

note that i don't create or translate subs, all i really use it for is for adjusting timing of the whole file (using vlc to find the + or -), and the occasional edit or delete of an existing line.

ShepherdPie ,

I’m curious how much companies like NordVPN pay them to inject ads into subtitles for pirated media.

vodka ,

Nothing for putting it there, but if someone goes to the affiliate link and sign up they get a comission ofc.

amanaftermidnight , to piracy in this can't be real. is it?

The exact moment OpenSubtitles becomes ClosedCaption

ChaoticNeutralCzech ,

They are transitioning to their .com domain, whose only bonus, other than the wait time and ads, is serving files directly rather than zipped. They could offer this feature on the original .org site with no downsides (the traffic won’t increase because 99% of devices will support gzip on the application layer anyway) but I wonder why they don’t.

HouseWolf , to piracy in this can't be real. is it?

I’ve seen stuff like that in subtitles during the opening or ending credits a few times. Never when the movie was still playing tho…

roofuskit ,

It’s likely they got a set for the wrong version. Like this is the extended film but they got subs for the non-extended version.

datavoid , to piracy in this can't be real. is it?

OpenSubtitles is hot garbage, a viable alternative needs to exist. Pray for Subscene

ShepherdPie ,

I typically grab the better quality rips and they almost always come with subtitles. Three hats ones are older or more obscure movies/shows that don’t have many options to choose from.

eek2121 ,

Is it easy to get a copy of their dataset?

kux ,

there’s a comment from a few months ago with a torrent, the date inside is july 2022 so will be missing anything newer: lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/5089994

s38b35M5 ,
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Hey, that’s me! I’m (Lemmy) famous!

lazynooblet ,
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Is addi7ed also good?

TheBat ,
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Yeah but they are focused on tv shows afaik

Grandwolf319 ,

Ironically, this might be an area where machine learning could be beneficial.

thirteene ,

I’ve been watching a few projects that are attempting to live translate videos. We are very close

Baku ,

How does that work for people with non US/UK accents? I ask because all of the transcription software I’ve seen will work absolutely fantastically on even the most garbled and redneck American accents, and the vast majority of British ones too, but as soon as you get to Scottish/Welsh/German/Australian/really anywhere elses accents, it has a complete breakdown and you can’t make sense of it at all

thirteene ,

m.youtube.com/watch?v=h5JNnvXjmmYLooks like they actually solved it a while ago, this video shows multiple base languages. Sorry but I can’t speak to specifics, but I do know my next project.

YoorWeb ,

Imagine the next step though, soon AI will generate actors’ voices speaking in any language you want.

zygo_histo_morpheus ,

I don’t think I would use this actually, because I don’t see how an AI could capture the performance. I’m a sub over dub guy anyway, but at least someone making a dub has a sporting chance to make an interesting performance.

JasonDJ ,

Live is great but I don’t think it’d be feasible for most languages to be a real 1:1 translation in live.

Even a 10s delay allows for the whole sentence/phrase to be captured and translated in entirety. A lot of languages can drastically change meaning due to a word on the other side of the sentence.

fatalError ,

Live shouldn’t be used in a home setup anyway unless for something where interaction is required, like a teams call or twitch stream. Anything else can take a delay for the sake of preserving the meaning.

GreatAlbatross ,
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The great thing about television, is that “live” is a flexible concept.
The playback software could happily play 10 seconds ahead of what’s actually on the screen, and have plenty of time to translate like that.
In the same way that we sometimes put delays into live events to allow the subtitling systems breathing room.

Trainguyrom ,

In the same way that we sometimes put delays into live events to allow the subtitling systems breathing room.

I’ve always heard this was because of the infamous Superbowl Janet Jackson wardrobe malfunction (where the malfunction was that only one nip was slipped and not both as was clearly intended)

azertyfun , (edited )

It’s already a thing with near-zero delay. MS Teams does it (dunno about the translation) and the QSMP Minecraft server has a bunch of livestreamers from different countries who use it for realtime translation.

[EDIT: Live demo from today. Shit’s impressive.]

What actually happens is that the current sentence gets “corrected” several times as you keep speaking. It’s a bit jittery and if the word order differs significantly then the translated sentence might be a bit wonky for a few seconds, and there are a few misses but overall it works really well; at least well enough that people who don’t speak each others’ language can have a conversation in their native tongues with essentially no more delay than reading speed. I can easily follow a livestream in a foreign language with the live subtitles (which was not the case a mere 6 months ago for any language other than English).

TwoCubed ,

I absolutely hate to watch subtitles appear word for word. So no, please no live captions.

RogueBanana ,

It doesn’t have to be live as in with the player but I imagine the audio could be loaded into the program simultaneously and have it produce cc for the entire movie as you watch it

pacoboyd ,

Whisper AI is pretty darn good. I’ve used it to make subtitles for MST3K vids where nothing good exists and maybe only had to spend 10 minutes doing some clean up. It even recognizes when different people are speaking and breaks up the subs accordingly.

casmael , (edited ) to piracy in this can't be real. is it?

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Wogi ,

Bullshit

The ad read is never that short

casmael ,

*sequence shortened

ElcaineVolta , to piracy in this can't be real. is it?
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I've had good luck lately with SubScene, I've only downloaded a few files though, so not a huge sample set

catculation ,
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Never saw any ads with Subscene files. But I don’t think Subscene provide api for apps.

ElcaineVolta ,
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yea, I've just been dragging and dropping files into VLC

catculation ,
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Just put the srt in same folder and rename it exactly to the media file. Almost all media player support this.

ElcaineVolta ,
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cool! thanks for the tip

words_number , to linux in LMDE just rocks

It’s not a rolling release though, right? I mean mint is nice, but I am absolutely pleased with my experience using debian testing as daily driver for years while it just stays perfectly up to date and never breaks (as opposed to arch or even manjaro).

someonesmall ,

It’s not rolling, but you will automatically receive cinnamon updates over the mint repository. For gaming and latest software you can use flatpak.

QuazarOmega , to piracy in this can't be real. is it?

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a_baby_duck , to piracy in this can't be real. is it?

I occasionally see those types of ads in subs downloaded through the Plex UI, but usually it’s in an intro or at the end. Haven’t seen them in the middle of a dialogue yet.

Ranadok ,

I think they only put them in when there’s a long period with no captions. Usually at the beginning or end of a video, but I’ve had them during a silent/dialogue free scene in the middle of a movie before.

Canadian_Cabinet ,

I think this is at the very end of LOTR 1 if I remember correctly. Like they cut off two of Sam’s lines

noodle , to asklemmy in What Major Social Media Platforms Would You Like To See Federated Alternatives To That Don't Exist Yet?
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Tinder, Bumble etc.

Noodle07 ,

Hi noodle

noodle ,
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Noodle? Is it you?! 🤩

Omega_Haxors ,

And they say romance is dead.

narwhal , to asklemmy in What Major Social Media Platforms Would You Like To See Federated Alternatives To That Don't Exist Yet?

Wikipedia.

RandomVideos ,

Does wikiless count?

TheAnonymouseJoker ,
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It is like saying Invidious is YouTube, and Bibliogram is Instagram.

yui ,

Does everything need to be federated? I don’t quite see the appeal of a ‘federated’ Wikipedia. It’s not really social-oriented and you can already export all the pages and rehost it yourself.

narwhal , (edited )

I don’t know the details on how to rehost wikipedia by myself, and also how to search and access unofficial wikipedia servers either. If this is all common knowlege for internet users, I am seriously lagging behind here. But maybe you are right and there really is no universal appeal for this, and overall people just prefer to see wikipedia as a single entity. But I think there would be benefits in federating wikipedia. Basically it becomes harder to take down information, and allows us to bypass wikipedia’s own strictness and bias. I know there are wikipedia alternatives but I would like to be able to access different view points seamlessly in the same platform, just like it happens here.

nutomic , (edited )
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Im working on this under the name of Ibis. Hopefully I can announce the first release within a few weeks.

makeasnek ,
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There is a nostr app working on this. It’s not very far along but it’s an interesting idea wikistr.com

teawrecks , to asklemmy in What Major Social Media Platforms Would You Like To See Federated Alternatives To That Don't Exist Yet?

I don’t want the fediverse to always be dictated by the private sector’s ideas. I want someone to build the next “TikTok” on the fediverse to begin with, and for once have a generation whose “new thing” isn’t controlled by a single corporation.

pmk ,

How about a federated archive.org? (Kids these days are crazy about scanned public domain books and stuff.)

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