Nobody with even half a functioning brain cell thinks Zelenskyy is responsible for this war or is in the wrong. This is entirely Putin’s little pipe dream to rebuild the Soviet Union by violently invading and trying to subjugate other countries.
Put yourself into his shoes for a moment. If you were the leader of a country you’re proud of, swore to protect and lead, who is responsible for everyone within it, would you just sit there idly when a neighbouring country comes along and invades, murdering your citizens and trying to erase your country through genocide? Would you just roll over and try to appease them when they have no intention of negotiating? Zelenskyy made the choice to fight back, because it is the right thing to do.
Zelenskyy is fighting for his country’s right to exist. He is fighting to stop his own people, including children, from being raped, murdered, sent to work camps, or forcibly integrated into Russia. He is fighting to stop his country’s culture from being erased. If you think that’s wrong, then something must be very, very wrong with you instead.
Because you aren’t open to conversation. You just want to quip that you have secret knowledge and everyone else is an idiot, and smugly feel superior as you read Russian propaganda.
So the solution is to just kick people we disagree with off all the mainstream platforms and ensure they go to their own echo chambers where they are isolated from any reasonable counters to their ideology, which will just ultimately make the problem worse? Brilliant.
It’s like the war on drugs. If we just ban it then surely the problem will disappear…except it just gets worse.
They’re already isolated in their own echo chambers. Have you ever actually tried arguing with these people? You might as well argue with a religious person about how their faith is bullshit. They don’t listen they just scream and throw a tantrum while insulting you the whole time.
I have argued with them a lot in person and online. Yeah, most of the time it is futile. Every now and then it’s not. You ever hear of that black guy who makes friends with KKK members? Sometimes they give up their bullshit and they become friends. I will accept the risk of having futile arguments with many if there is a chance that logic and reason breaks through to a few.
Cheers. Not everyone has the constitution to engage, and that’s fine. I do not think hate should be tolerated, but I think it must be confronted with reason. The only alternatives seem to be more isolation, extremism, and violence.
They’re still responding to me on there. i’ve taken to replying via DM
" Hi, you’re getting this message because you replied to one of my messages on !GenZedong.
Your nanny mods community banned me. Enjoy your bubble of delusion "
Edit: Apparently i’m banned from lemmygrad.ml as a whole too now (what a tragic shame). Someone claiming to be an admin over there conveyed the above message. minus the “bubble of delusion” bit of course. wouldn’t want the proles knowing about that now would they?
Lemmy federation has been my first exposure to tankies and holy shit. They are so horny for Russian violence, Russian invasions, Russian imperialism. And somehow none of it is ever Russia’s choice, Russia has no accountability or autonomy, it always the fault of “the West”.
I think being on lemmy does not in any way oblige a user to listen to everyone all the time. A lot of people will just come here for a good time. And for the freedom of speech activists: freedom of speech also involves other peoples freedom not to want to listen.
Moreover, I think most people who want to defederate with certain instances don’t necessarily have a problem with different world views, but have a problem with the tone being set by a small percentage of the users of said instances. Unfortunately, only a small percentage is needed to create a general vibe.
I hope it will be possible for individual users to block entire instances very soon, this way this whole debate will become obsolete. Personally, I can’t wait for it (the debate to become obsolete, not blocking instances necessarily)
Also freedom of speech is between your government and you. Your government can’t censor speech, private companies, individuals, organizations, ect, can censor your speech or censor themselves from hearing it. All rights are only between an individual and their government.
The private property rights that give private companies the ability to censor your speech are created and inforced by the government in the first place, so functionally it’s not different. A handful of massive companies who functionally own the government getting to police what is acceptable speech is not functionally different from the government doing it directly.
I really can’t fathom why people cry about “freedom of speech” when something privately owned decides not to include what they consider fucking shit. Freedom of speech is the fact the government cannot stop you from saying what you want. NOTHING ELSE. People paying to run their own instances do not owe you anything
All rights are only between an individual and their government
Different rights have different scopes. Some rights, like the right to live, are between everyone. Some others, like the right to receive a purchased product, are only between buyer and seller. Freedom of speech “just happens” to be between individual and government, in countries where it’s even a right.
But if there’s coal in that mountain, we can level the whole thing like they do in West Virginia and leave a nice flat spot for an industrial park when we’re done.
I’ve been systemically blocking anything socialist/Communist/political on lemmy and let me tell you there isn’t much left on this feed.this place is a hotbed for propaganda.
I know right! Even though I agree with some of the viewpoints, I would rather not see so much discussion about capitalism, communism, or politics in general. BTW, the word is “systematically.”
You know, if they are an anti-communist then they probably disagree with socialism too. In fact, I see no possible way you could agree with socialism but not communism
I am explaining why it wouldn’t make sense for someone who wasn’t a communist to support socialism even if both are the natural progression of humans and will liberate people
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