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okamiueru , to programmerhumor in Single-Page Application

It’s fascinating how some SPAs come about. Often consultancies who win some bid to implement X features. Since “good user experience” is hard to quantify/specify, it ends up being a horrible end result.

Zalaris is one such that I’m in complete awe of. Set up user flows that are expected to take 30 minutes to complete. Yet, don’t keep track of that state/progress withing your own SPA. Click the wrong tab within that SPA, and state is reset.

It’s, just fascinating.

mlg , to programmerhumor in A week of fprintfs has me wanting to code rust next week
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C holding a gun: “if you segfault it’s your own fault”

tetris11 ,
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Assembly (Octopus swimming alone since birth): “compiler? what’s a compiler”

mindbleach , to memes in very upsetting

I don’t give a shit about copyright for training AI.

But I don’t give a shit about investors, either.

webghost0101 ,

Copyright should ceise to exist and sharing digital copies of any content should be a protected right. The best software is foss anyway.

But if i cant have that i will settle for techbross going to jail for mass theft. Either the law is equal or it is unlawful.

mindbleach ,

Nah. Even in its current stupid state, copyright has to recognize that sifting through the entire internet to get a gigabyte of linear algebra is pretty goddamn transformative.

No kidding the machine that speaks English read every book in the library. Fuck else was it gonna do?

webghost0101 ,

For some licensing its not about how transformed it is but wether or not it was used.

Many of the books it read where not supposed to be in this library. The datasets used contains heaps of pirated content.

I repeat i am for abolishing copyright and legalizing digital piracy, including to train intelligence but if that wont be the case and piracy remains illegal then i want to see the “criminals” punisht. Nothing is worse in law then double standards that punish the small and leave alone the giants.

Remember this? He downloaded and shared a grand total of 30 songs. abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=8226751&page=1

mindbleach ,

“This law is immoral but also twist these criminals’ balls off” is a double standard. Mercilessly enforcing shite laws is never a sane position.

Especially when I am telling you - this isn’t illegal. The overwhelming majority of AI training is plainly transformative, and based on readily-available public materials. A torrented version of a published work is still a published work. I don’t care how they got it, and obviously neither should you, But you want to act infuriated that this cutting-edge technology used dubiously-sourced… text files? Shush.

webghost0101 ,

Thats not quite what i am saying.

Personally i believe the law to be immoral and should be changed and no one should be punished for using, creating or distributing digital copies. Including tech companies.

But my personal opinions dont seem to matter. If we as a society chose to enforce these laws and the consequences for people for breaking them is harsh then logicaly those same consequences should apply to the rich and powerful.

My hope is once these laws threaten the powefull they will finnaly lobby to get fully rid of them so everyone can be free.

I am not upset they use pirated materials, i am a pirate myself because i believe piracy is morally in the right.

I am upset that admitting that in this comment could be used as evidence in police investigation, heavy fines and jail for me personally while if your rich enough you wont, and if they try you just fly off to wherever your not prosecuted.

I fail to realize how it matters how much it is transformed. CopyLEFT works are about any use where something is derived from x. Well they where “used” and the result is therefor a derived work. From that perspective talking about how transformed it is completely unrecognizable is is a strawman because copyleft doesn’t care about. Its designed to destroy copyright by forcing free access on derived works.

On a sidenote, i am near certain that meta trained llama on personal profiles and messengers from facebook, instagram, whatsapp and that is why it is such a powerful model for its size. That has nothing to do with copyright and probably Fully legal using some twisted legal words. In this i see a form of exploitation that should be punished but Zuckerberg will never see jail for that so yeah any reason to show tech companies that don’t rule the world i am happy to see, even if it uses a law i rather have not existing, especially when that law will keep existing for the rest of us.

mindbleach ,

I fail to realize how it matters how much it is transformed.

And ignoring when people explain that it does.

You want copyleft to be super duper copyright, where even quoting a sentence of a Cory Doctorow novel demands an entire newspaper gets GPL’d forever. We don’t care what fair use says! This anti-copyright goal demands more protection than mere copyright!

This is silly.

Transformation is where copyright does not apply, because you did something new. No matter what works you referenced - your thing is different. It’s why Disney can’t sue Wikipedia for articles describing their movies. It’s also why Wikipedia can’t sue OpenAI for models describing their articles.

webghost0101 ,

I want copyleft to destroy copyright by using the law against itself because I believe that to be the only way.

I am all about destabilizing a system that should not exists. I would go as far and say if you read a copyleft book then all your future ideas should be barred from holding patents and become public domain instantly. That is also how i treat my own ideas because my ultimum stance is that:

“The highest reward for any intelligent or creative thought is to see everyone adopt it” Copying is truly a form of flattery its tangible proof that you contributed to the world, that others perceive you as good.

But that is only half my point and its easily refutable as unrealistic and extremist. I feel like its my second stance that is getting ignored.

Which is “if a law is enforced it should be enforced equally towards all social classes

That is because I recognize my main stance is an ideal that no politician would take serious. This second one though, how can anyone disagree?

Again its about destabilizing the system. Rich people don’t like going to jail so if we enforce the strictest versions of laws we can help motivate lobbyist to get rid of copyright all together.

mindbleach ,

Accurate enforcement of copyright would have no effect on AI because training is fair use.

Wishing it were otherwise is a misunderstanding of copyright, even if you’re against copyright.

webghost0101 ,

I am willing to believe that but as far as i hear and read its not a black and white case and government all over the world are busy specifically with trying to weigh in on that.

If training copyright works is 100% proven legal then thats great news because currently i fear smaller foss ai project will be prosecuted leaving ai monopoly at big tech.

It also means i can legally train my own image Model on pictures of Hogwarts to generate cozy castle backdrops for my own art.

mindbleach ,

It also means i can legally train my own image Model on pictures of Hogwarts to generate cozy castle backdrops for my own art.

As much as you could just look at them and draw stuff.

And with the same potential consequences if you try using a blatant knockoff as a wholly original design.

webghost0101 ,

The thing there is the architecture existed before It was used for hogwarts. Its impossible to tell for me what is custom movie set and what is real castle.

I also have no exact memory of Every movie shot of the castle. Of course i can make Sure it doesn’t have banners of Hogwarts houses but it could have a stained window in the background which is an exact match of a custom order by the studio and i would not realize.

I don’t share or sell my art so i am pretty sure its safe but i do wonder about the technicality of it all. The Eiffel tower is a copyrighted building. Am i allowed to go on a stream type “Eiffel tower” in a prompt window and press generate?

I have seen no legal statements that explains such cases and till there is i would suggest anyone who uses ai to be very careful when publishing.

mindbleach ,

Gonna bet the floating candles aren’t historically accurate.

Am i allowed to go on a stream type “Eiffel tower” in a prompt window and press generate?

Yeah. Free and clear. As much as you’re allowed to take a photo of the actual extremely-visible landmark.

But you’re probably not allowed to build a replica as a tourist attraction.

I have seen no legal statements that explains such cases

My impression of your understanding is not impressive.

webghost0101 ,

What you are referring to is called freedom of panorama and it is everything but free and clear. France only has a limited version of this since 2016

Wikipedia has to use a censored image for a public statue that newspapers there are still getting sued about.

I did make made an error. The Eiffel tower isn’t copyright protected but the lights on it are. So pictures by day are fair use but at night there Illegal.

I cannot fault you for not knowing any of this because how a reasonable person is supposed to know from the top of their hat wat is and is not a copyrighted work is part of the absurdity about these laws.

Your impression of my understanding does not impress you but at least I somewhat do know what i am talking about. You stating you have never read such legislation feels a bit of the joke when the topic has so much legal history.

mindbleach ,

Glibly equating taking a picture and publishing a picture does not help your argument.

Generating an image is not about to infringe copyright. No more than drawing it and showing it to the guy beside you. Copyright is about the use of images. Mostly: copying.

Using whatever image comes out as your company logo, as if anything created by anyone through any means can ever be automatically “free and clear” of all prior art, is obviously stupid. Like come on. No shit the draw-anything machine can draw popular characters, major brands, famous scenes, etc., etc., etc. Rendering stuff we recognize is what it’s for. Nobody promised you a universally bespoke image, somehow unlike anything reality had ever seen before. Why in the name of god would that expectation be a metric worth discussing?

webghost0101 ,

Ai now is just a fraction of what it can do in the near future.

I did not Equate taking a picture with Publishing, my example was on a stream which is publishing. I also think people should be free to publish ai creations.

If you feel like a cool social project (inspired by music industry bankrupting kopimashin artwork made by Peter sundre):

train an ai on night pictures of the EiffelTower and build a bot to continually generate more depictions on a live stream. I predict It may take a while for the french government to notice but they will notice and take it down no matter that you don’t live in france. I am only not doing this cause i dont wanna get sued.

All i am trying to explain with all of this is that copyright law is incredibly complex, often illogical, often does not get enforced but when it gets enforced it can ruin lives.

People acting like these laws are obvious when they are not is proof that they need to change drastically.

anytimesoon , to memes in When you are privileged equality looks like a downgrade.

The point should be to bring everyone up, not pull others down, though

criitz ,

Are you in this meme right now?

runswithjedi ,

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  • criitz ,

    But isn’t that the point of the meme? Am I going crazy?

    kimjongunderdog ,

    It's sort of like a Rorschach test. What you see reveals things about you and your thoughts.

    Feathercrown ,

    This is a flawed method of thinking though, there are plenty of factors that go into what you think. If you’re aware of and trying to avoid a negative stereotype, you’re just as likely to fall into the “he doth protest too much” as someone who demonstrates that stereotype.

    TheAnonymouseJoker ,
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    It is not a 100% accurate factor. It relies on presumed stereotype “boxes” that people are put in, and who presumed and on what basis.

    tacosanonymous ,

    That’s impossible since the point was a superficial elevation of their own interests.

    Unless you think the point of feminism (for example) is to make men second class citizens. That’s just not a thing. It’s a rhetoric created by assholes to get ignorant people on board with their continued grossness.

    H4rdStyl3z ,

    Unless you think the point of feminism (for example) is to make men second class citizens. That’s just not a thing. It’s a rhetoric created by assholes to get ignorant people on board with their continued grossness.

    I think there may be some radicals who genuinely wish for that, but those don’t represent the entire movement and usually only pay lip service to the cause where it aligns with their personal beliefs. They should be ignored.

    tacosanonymous ,

    I’m not even sure the radicals want that. Anger is an appropriate response to oppression. Vengeance is an extreme form of that but I doubt anyone that isn’t truly damaged would be okay with it.

    grue ,

    I think there may be some radicals who genuinely wish for that

    Those aren’t radicals; those are reactionary trolls who falsely claim allegiance to the movement in order to discredit it.

    psud ,

    For a while it seemed like that minority owned the term “feminism”

    tubaruco ,

    a lot of women who call themselves feminist believe theyre superior to men instead of equal. most of those are very loud about it, so feminism turns into a term that describes that, even if the “real” meaning isn’t that.

    Cowbee ,
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    “A lot?” No.

    shuzuko ,

    L O fucking L

    Rooskie91 ,

    There’s also a psychological phenomenon that occurs in ‘elite classes’ where they think that someone getting more means they get less. They literally cannot fathom someone getting welfare without it affecting them negatively. It’s one of the reasons why poor people still support Republicans.

    TheAnonymouseJoker ,
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    Unless you think the point of feminism (for example) is to make men second class citizens.

    More people want this, than you think. These “radicals” are not a minority, and they are the ones who have ruined what feminism once stood for – equality. And the most intriguing part is this has only happened within the last decade, thanks to social media amplifying toxic voices (negativity spreads fastest). Feminism wants to recruit men, but openly says men and their rights (equality) are not their responsibility.

    There is a big question mark on equality claims, which frustrates me, because neither needs to suffer.

    galoisghost ,
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    There aren’t a limited amount of rights that can only be handed out to be shared amongst people.

    There are just rights and everyone should be entitled to them.

    Signtist ,

    The issue is that people generally view their situation not by how much they have, but how much more they have than others. It’s like a race to these people - who’s winning isn’t based on how close to the goal they are, it’s based on how far ahead of the competitors they are. People who have everything they need often see others getting to that same point as competitors catching up, and, seeing that they are not advancing themselves, they feel that they need to prevent that in order to maintain their lead. It’s meant to be everyone working together, but few see it that way, especially among the current “winners.”

    grue ,

    The issue is that people generally view their situation not by how much they have, but how much more they have than others.

    Some people are that way, but not “people generally.”

    Signtist ,

    I considered putting a “some” in there, but honestly, I feel like it’s sadly the default state, at least in the US. Even fellow politically-left people I meet rarely demand resources for underprivileged people that actually elevate them to their own station. It usually feels like “They deserve more! But still less than me.”

    RaoulDook ,

    “White people be like” memes, so progressive

    swag_money ,

    go back to Reddit

    Grayox OP ,
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    No shit, the only thing leftists want to pull down are systems of exploitation.

    pingveno ,

    At the same time, privileged people will still sometimes feel a loss of something when you’re portioning out a finite resource. So if a particular group is 25% of the population and they were getting 75% of the pie before and now they’re getting 25% of the pie, that’s a loss. It’s a justified loss, but it’s still a loss.

    That said, there are other things like rights that are not finite in any meaningful sense of the word. When someone is feeling a loss because an oppressed group gained rights, it’s usually because they’re an oppressive asshole.

    Armand1 ,

    Meanwhile, the Right want to pull down your trousers to check your “gender”.

    octopus_ink ,

    That’s well and good, but bringing everyone up needs to be done in consideration of lasting multigenerational harm from what has come previously, and areas where we as a people and nation continue to marginalize, underserve, and sometimes actively harm some segments of our population.

    Folks who think those things should be ignored are not actually interested in bringing everyone up.

    Midnitte ,

    Making sure the rain forest isn’t destroyed doesn’t mean letting the pinebarrens be converted into a strip mall.

    Kachilde ,

    That IS the point, and rarely do equality or equity initiatives “pull down” anyone.

    But the Haves feel like they’ve earned their position, and that means that if you help a Have Not in any way, you are taking away from their achievement (which in this case is “not being born poor/black/female”)

    TheAnonymouseJoker , to memes in When you are privileged equality looks like a downgrade.
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    The downvotes. Oh no.

    TimeSquirrel , to memes in He dies in this one
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    Too soon, dude.

    RIP 737 Door Plug.

    RememberTheApollo_ , to memes in Imbecile

    Lots of interesting discussions over the flags and the hypocrisy and lack of understanding of the flags by the person displaying the flags.

    However, I think their message is crystal clear.

    “Don’t try to stop me from oppressing anyone I disagree with.”

    gennygameshark ,

    Fascism at it’s finest, folks… smh

    ultra , to memes in When you are privileged equality looks like a downgrade.

    *neurotypical cis white men

    xor ,

    yep… because all white men think like this, and only white men think like this…

    po_tay_toes , to memes in He dies in this one
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    It’s Boeing. We’re lucky not everybody died.

    Xatix , to news in Russian police detain journalists and protesters in Moscow

    Why is there a cheesy AI generated cartoon and wheres the article?

    intlmonitor OP ,

    My bad. Fixed now.

    fastandcurious , to memes in He dies in this one
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    Now they want us to believe it’s safe, and they did literally nothing to inspect all the planes to make sure they actually were, it seems like the grounding was just a formality to please the general public, i can guarantee that they are gonna sweep under the rug even loosely fitted engines and make the excuse ‘but we weren’t going to fly it through the pacific’

    wrath_of_grunge ,
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    Narrator: A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.
    Woman on Plane: Are there a lot of these kinds of accidents?
    Narrator: You wouldn't believe.
    Woman on Plane: Which car company do you work for?
    Narrator: A major one.

    TypicalHog , to linux_gaming in Steam Hardware survey for January 2024

    I’m mostly a MP gamer and the only reason why I game on Windows still is the fact some games (because of the AC) simply do not work on Linux. And even in instances where you can trick the AC it’s not running in a VM, but on bare metal - you risk getting banned.
    Sad. I hope this changes.

    Lulzagna , to programmerhumor in Single-Page Application

    Skill issue

    wick , to memes in When you are privileged equality looks like a downgrade.

    Seeeaaalaaab underneath the water

    God damn that theme song is a banger

    Trae ,

    Sealab and ATHF is what turned me onto mc chris. I was really sad to find out he’s a massive douche bag that got off on kicking random people out of his show for made up reasons…

    The man’s whole rap persona was about being a nerd who was bullied and then once he got the smallest bit of power he uses it to bully people at his shows to demonstrate that he’s not a 4’8 high schooler anymore.

    someacnt_ , to programmerhumor in A week of fprintfs has me wanting to code rust next week

    And there’s haskell compiler

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