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Fizz , to linux in How dare you use a text editor because it's easy to use
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I started on Emacs and then didn’t use it for a few years and forgot everything so now I’m stuck on Nano. But that’s fine because nano does everything I want it to do.

zogreface , to memes in Firefox + Ublock = 👑

Mozilla about to lose funding from Google antitrust consequences :(

Wisas62 , to memes in Firefox + Ublock = 👑

There’s was only a very brief period that I would have considered Chrome a better option and that was the period when Chrome had a mobile app and FF didn’t. Other than that, I have never understood why you would use chrome. I know FF didn’t invent tab browsing, but definitely the first to do it successfully.

Zagorath , to memes in Firefox + Ublock = 👑
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How convenient that this happens just a few days after Firefox implements the features that have been blocking me from switching for the last few years.

Still, I’m curious about other browsers. We know Chrome is killing V2, but what about other Chromium-based browsers? I saw below a comment espousing Brave, but I’d rather use Chrome than Brave because of the gross crypto bs. What about Vivaldi, Opera, and Chredge? Will they keep supporting Manifest V2?

Tar_alcaran ,

just a few days after Firefox implements the features that have been blocking me from switching for the last few years.

Which are those?

Zagorath ,
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Multi-window support on iPad is the main one. Less important, though it would have bugged me if they didn’t have it, is sustained Incognito tabs—which apparently they had until a couple of months ago, then removed without explanation, then added back in just 1 day ago, also without explanation. Found a thread on their forums with a whole bunch of people perplexed and asking what happened.

Mushroomm ,

Your first point at least is an iPad thing. Nothing is fully featured on the iPad. Not even safari. It’s thanks to that exact fact that chrome is at least mostly fully featured on the iPad. If safari had comparable function, you could bank on them blocking those features from the chrome app too. There’s a deal made somewhere. I wouldn’t be surprised if cash flow from Google is why safari is still the same piece of crap it always has been. “Hey your R&D + return for safari only nets you 1% YOY. We’ll give you 2% YOY if you just don’t even bother.”

They only know raising prices and knee-jerk reactions to competitive moves in their market space. Additional functionality for the user is only granted when it’s being used as a cudgle against their competition. Never for users benefit.

If you’re seeing new functionality on the iPad Firefox app, it’s likely because Firefox figured out a way to implement it without paying apple because they want the user to have that function. Totally different ethos.

ivn ,

Regulations, like the Digital Market Act, are also a big factor.

Zagorath ,
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If you’re seeing new functionality on the iPad Firefox app, it’s likely because Firefox figured out a way to implement it without paying apple because they want the user to have that function

Nothing at all remotely like that. They just don’t have enough developers to have implemented it sooner. It’s an API that Apple introduced in 2019, that Google implemented within months, Microsoft implemented within a couple of years, and Mozilla finally implemented this July.

ivn ,

There are actually no alternative browser on iOS. Before the European Digital Market Act all iOS browser have to use webkit, so while you could install Firefox, Chrome and others, they were actually using Safari’s rendering engine. I believe that’s where a lot of the limitations come from. Now with the DMA Firefox could use it’s own rendering engine but this hasn’t landed yet. I don’t know if any other browser has switched from webkit yet.

Zagorath ,
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There are actually no alternative browser on iOS

Sort of. As you say, it’s more accurate to say that they’re forced to use Safari’s rendering, but everything else is up to them, the same as how any other app would be developed. That’s how they get their own features like bookmark syncing etc.

Being able to have multiple windows of the same app is a feature Apple introduced in 2019, and obviously Safari supported it immediately. Google Chrome added support for multiple windows after a few months. I switched to Microsoft Edge once they added support for it about a year, maybe 18 months later, and have just been waiting for Firefox to finally support it so I can switch to that.

Incidentally, 2019 is also the year Firefox finally added support on their desktop browser for a CSS property (column-span) that a site I used to frequent required to work. Though by that time I no longer used that particular site.

AnUnusualRelic , to linux in How dare you use a text editor because it's easy to use
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The first time I found myself in nano was when testing a distro fifteenor twenty years ago. I had to edit some files and it was the only available editor. The damn thing was a horror to use. I still have no idea who it caters to. I haven’t had to use it since though.

Jean_le_Flambeur ,

Dunno what you used, but nano is literally a text editor that may be simple simple but it just works. Shortcuts are shown to the user, buttons work like you expect them to (arrow keys, ESC, shift, etc)

With vim you open it and if you haven’t read 5pages of doc you won’t even be able to close it again. I see that its useful for power users, but for casuals who just want to edit a config once in a while nano is absolutely the way to go imho

AnUnusualRelic ,
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It’s not that simplle or user friendly when none of the usual shortcuts work. C-a did something completely unexpected.

Jean_le_Flambeur , (edited )

Well its shown to you at the bottom of the screen what it does…

And if you want Ctrl v,c,s etc. To work like in word etc you can always use nano --modernbindings

AnUnusualRelic ,
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They’re in Linux now, it should show the shortcuts they’ll encounter everywhere. Not leftovers from another system.

Jean_le_Flambeur ,

I am with you in this one!

brokenlcd , to linux in How dare you use a text editor because it's easy to use

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Anonymousllama , to memes in Firefox + Ublock = 👑

Pretty happy with Brave, but I’m guessing that being a downstream chromium fork they’ll eventually be stuffed and forced into using V3?

dmegatool ,
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Brave said they would stay on v2.

yournamehere , to memes in Firefox + Ublock = 👑

the number of forks says ff is next. the ad machine needs your money.

abbiistabbii ,
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I mean unless Mozilla starts getting sued by Ad companies to force them to ban ad blockers, I don’t think that will happen because being able to have ad blockers is a major selling point.

But even if it does happen, Firefox is open source and has been forked, so the next alternative is LibreWolf.

Schorsch ,

The ad machine doesn’t need my money. They never even asked. I am the product to them.

UsernameNotFound , to memes in Firefox + Ublock = 👑

Firefox feels so much slowwr than chrome when loading sites for me

ours ,

I’ll take slower over ad-bloated every day.

wizardbeard ,

If you’re talking about Google owned sites, there’s circumstantial evidence that Google sets their sites up to do that intentionally in order to gimp competitors.

verstra ,

For me, switching from chrone to ff around 3 years it felt the opposite. Ff opens so much faster. Also scrolling is way smoother.

ivn ,

That’s weird, something is definitely wrong. Are they set up in a similar way? The first thing that comes to my mind is: Are you using the same DNS server on both? Differences in DNS response time should be more noticeable than rendering time on most hardware. And I think Firefox doesn’t use the system DNS by default but I might be wrong. Do you mind checking? I’m curious now.

yuf , to memes in Firefox + Ublock = 👑

I’m using AdNauseam instead. So ad networks, what exactly are you collecting?

ivn ,

Click fraud is a big thing, with lots of counter measures, I don’t see how they could go past them as they are saying themselves that they have a very naive approach. To me it’s useless at best, but more probably counterproductive.

yuf ,

I think you’re right about click fraud. Actually, I use AdNauseam primarily to disrupt non-consensual targeted advertising. Even if the impact is small, I’m obfuscating my profile as a form of protest against tracking.

ivn ,

How is this better as a protection against tracking? You are still making requests to trackers, this is so easy to counter, make multiple tracking requests, filter out want changes, keep what’s the same and you have some tracking data.

AdrianTheFrog , to memes in Firefox + Ublock = 👑
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I use firefox, I mostly like it, but it still doesn’t support chromium style tab groups (no, that one extension is not similar), and its webgpu implementation also doesn’t work on most websites more than a year after Google made their version available by default

BarbecueCowboy , (edited )

I’ve been using Vivalid, they have ‘Workspaces’ (as its Tab Group analog) which is different but in a way that was a pleasant surprise and kind of reminds me of older systems. Imagine working with one tab group at a time and the rest disappear when you’re not on that workspace.

erev ,
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is that chromium?

BarbecueCowboy ,

It’s chromium based, but it’s pretty custom at this point. Chrome extensions are still compatible, but the interface/etc will throw you a bit if you’re looking for something that’s a direct swap.

morrowind ,
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Vivaldi has 3 types of tab groups, workspaces, sessions, and profiles.

Take your pick

archchan ,

Tab groups are in the works but we haven’t heard anything new about it since March.

AdrianTheFrog ,
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Mozilla could definitely be putting their development time into the areas that the browser is actually behind in

dinozaur ,

Not sure if this is “that one extension”, but I use Simple Tab Groups for Workspaces-like functionality, similar to Edge and Vivaldi. I know, it isn’t tab groups, but I use it similarly.

Ephera ,

I’m guessing, they’re referring to multi-account container tabs. It’s what the Chrome feature took heavy inspiration from, but of course without the privacy protection aspect.

Railison ,

I’ve started using Tree Style Tabs in Firefox and really like it. Maybe vertical tabs aren’t so bad?

breakingcups , to memes in Firefox + Ublock = 👑

Wonder if the recent antitrust ruling about Google paying for being the default search engine will affect Mozilla’s funding.

AlijahTheMediocre , (edited ) to linux in How dare you use a text editor because it's easy to use

Imagine using Nano or Vim; when you could be using Cat and Echo.

/s

JustAnOrdinaryCreep , to linux in How dare you use a text editor because it's easy to use

Vim actually IS easy to use once you get the hang of it, plus more comfortable and efficient.

Nanos just an excuse for lazyness, cmv.

lennivelkant , to linux in How dare you use a text editor because it's easy to use

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