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Yoz , to youshouldknow in YSK: If you're on Lemmy.World or Sh.itjust.works you should not subscribe to any Beehaw communities

Anyone knows why this happened ? Hope admins dont ruin Lemmy for everyone.

talos ,
@talos@lemmy.world avatar

When there was an influx of users during the Reddit blackout, they said that they were getting lots of trolls and they couldn’t keep up with the moderation. Lemmy.world and Sh.itjust.works had the most traffic and were letting people sign up without vetting so the Beehaw admins decided to defederate those communities.

Chonk ,

That’s a hard action. Hopefully its temporary.

whenigrowup356 ,

Yep, they said they intend to federate again once they have access to better tools to help with the bots and stuff. Hopefully with the new influx of tons of people, that will also mean more people working on tools and apps to improve things.

Rossel ,

Beehaw has plans to refederate with sh.itjust.works, but no word in lemmy.world.

jayemecee ,

But since sh.itjust.works is federated with lemmy.world, if beehaw refederate with sh.itjust.works then lemmy world users will be able to interact with beehaw, (via sh.itjust.works) correct?

InverseParallax ,

No, it’s not transitive, it’s like lemmy.world is blacklisted.

InverseParallax ,

No, it’s not transitive, it’s like lemmy.world is blacklisted.

Edc3 ,

No, Beehaw it’s already Federated with a lot of other instances that are Federated with lemmy.World.

jayemecee ,

But since sh.itjust.works is federated with lemmy.world, if beehaw refederate with sh.itjust.works then lemmy world users will be able to interact with beehaw, (via sh.itjust.works) correct?

SwallowsDick ,

Making it harder for people to sign up and interact with each other, during the most important week of the platform’s existence, I hope they didn’t take that lightly

crazycanadianloon ,

So I don’t understand your mentality here. What do the people hosting servers as a hobby owe former R3dd!t users to make their migration easier??? Seems entitled to think people who are literally paying out of their own pockets right now for people like us to talk to each other owe us even more. Geez.

CorruptBuddha ,

The person you responded to said nothing about being “owed” anything.

crazycanadianloon ,

What do you think their point was, then? 🤔

CorruptBuddha ,

That the defederation was a significant action?

crazycanadianloon ,

I guess that’s where our opinions differ. Seems like it should be just a blip when someone wants to take their ball and go home. Just choose another ball, man.

CorruptBuddha ,

Seems like it should be just a …

But it wasn’t.

crazycanadianloon ,

Ah, but it can be. WE are literally the community builders here. Beehaw is not part of our community so just look and post at lemmy.world, or lemmy.ml, or lemmy.ca, or sh.itjust.works, or any other instance. To me, this is literally why this YSK post exists - to let people know to focus on conversations outside of that instance.

Yoz ,

Thanks

firewyre ,

Too late.

Guy_Fieris_Hair ,

Just a heads up, we love our admins around here, they are great. Beehaw defederated from people because they were afraid of being able to mod everything with the influx of users with limited mod tools available. They will likely refederate eventually. For now I unsubbed from all beehaw communities and dont miss anything. The cool thing is if you do end up on an instance with admins you don’t like, there are like 10,000 other instances you can go to.

But the admins here are usually pretty transparent with everything going on. They are just some dude with a server in their closet. Not some cooperation that are making decisions with profit in mind. They are doing it for the community.

crazycanadianloon ,

From what I understand, admins here are literally paying out of pocket AND volunteering their time to host us. Just as when I invite my friends over to my house for a BBQ, if one of them brings a friend that starts shitting in my pool, I tell them to GTFO and probably stop hosting BBQs for a while even though my friends who DIDN'T shit in my pool still end up suffering the consequences.

Thanks, current Fediverse admins!

Guy_Fieris_Hair ,

Just a heads up, we love our admins around here, they are great. Beehaw defederated from people because they were afraid of being able to mod everything with the influx of users with limited mod tools available. They will likely refederate eventually. For now I unsubbed from all beehaw communities and dont miss anything. The cool thing is if you do end up on an instance with admins you don’t like, there are like 10,000 other instances you can go to.

But the admins here are usually pretty transparent with everything going on. They are just some dude with a server in their closet. Not some cooperation that are making decisions with profit in mind. They are doing it for the community.

Kissaki ,
rikudou , to fediverse in Preparing for Future Corporate Influence

IMO it will diversify into kind of walled gardens, there will be servers that’ll defederate all commercial communities and those that will welcome them. And all those in-between. And people will choose their servers.

paperbenni , to android in lemmy app with multisub feature

Absolutely. Ideally this would also be implemented on a backend level. An easy way to create multi sublemmies and share and Link to them would make it possible for massive communities to form on and migrate to Lemmy in a sustainable way.

kromem ,

A thousand times yes.

Federation should ideally work not only at a server level, but a community level.

If there’s three different /c/aww communities across different servers, their respective mods should be able to join into a meta-community.

There is the potential for a less moderated child community to end up polluting the meta community, so membership should probably be able to be revoked by majority mod vote.

But aggregating a meta-community across each sub community could allow for a much more seamless growth between servers and avoid the duplication that’s inevitable by putting the onus on the client-side.

Spoken_Weakley , to startrek in Episode Discussion | Star Trek: Strange New Worlds | 2x03 "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow"

“This was supposed to happen in 1992!”

Is that a reference to how the eugenics wars were supposed to happen in the 90’s but obviously those came and went so they’re softly retconning when the eugenics wars took place?

XiberKernel ,

I kinda like this theory. The temporal wars are still affecting the timeline, but time is pushing back to repair the timeline. In-universe reason to both retcon and act as a story element as well (with hopefully a Wesley Crusher appearance at some point?)

NuPNuA ,

That fits with how they described time travel and alternative universe’s working in the DTI books too which is nice. It takes a major shift to the probability wave to spin off a new timeline (Human physiology difference like light sensitivity or the Narada incursion) smaller changes collapse back into the main timeline quickly.

PillowTalk420 , to nostupidquestions in Can AI use WiFi to visualise people in a room?
@PillowTalk420@lemmy.world avatar

Sure. WiFi is just using radio waves, and if the software is advanced enough, you could potentially use wifi signals as a form of radar to map things. Not sure how great the resolution could potentially be though.

Deestan ,

A thing to keep in mind is that wifi signals pass through human bodies prettty well, which reduces its ability to detect them clearly.

Yasuke , to youshouldknow in YSK: While you're on Lemmy/Kbin/Fediverse, you're not "the product" but you're also not "the customer".

And that’s where I’m just loving it. All dope apps and services without a single person being greedy. I still haven’t seen a dev ask for money for any apps and the crazy part is I would pay for Memmy in a heart beat.

Revolutionary_Pi , to showerthoughts in If we call reddit users redditors, what do we call lemmy users

Call me a Lemmer.

matt , to nostupidquestions in So how long until the Fediverse is monetized?
@matt@lemmy.world avatar

The Fediverse as a whole cannot be monetised, censored, or taken over by hostile entities.

Individual instances can, but they are only part of the whole and not the whole thing, so instances of Elon Musk or Steve Huffman simply cannot happen on the same scale.

As a fun fact of the day, Wikipedia subsists entirely on charity, so it’s very possible to run things using this model if you provide enough value and transparency for people.

ricdeh ,
@ricdeh@lemmy.world avatar

Yep. I don’t get why it is so hard for people to understand that non-profits CAN sustain themselves from donations. There’s so much brainwashing and gaslighting by corporations going on that people start to question everything outside of the ultra-capitalist system, even the most basic and genuinely nice human interactions are doubted

matt ,
@matt@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah it’s weird, there’s plenty of examples of what people would consider “profitable” non-profits: For example Mozilla Thunderbird pulled US$6 million last year in donations alone, with the average donation being US$21, I think.

Mastodon, another non-profit, while not quite as lucrative, pulls in around £24,000 a month on Patreon donations alone, not counting any outside sponsors or Open Collective donations, and so on.

Build value, and people will happily support you.

Pyr_Pressure ,

However if reddit decided they want to plug the leak, if they offered $1 million to the admins of sh.it.just.works and lemmy.world and beehaw, if they accepted, reddit could then defederate the three largest instances from everywhere and Lemmy would basically have to start from the ground up again. A lot of users would probably not bother making an account elsewhere as they may feel it not worth it since it could happen again.

Toma ,

Lemmy wouldn’t have to start from the ground up. They would already have all the source code and instances, a potential userbase who was already convinced not to let these people control their social networks, who already have the frontend installed on their devices, is already used to the interface and features of the app. Even if Spez were to do this, other instances would be built and in the long run it would be a financial hole.

conditional_soup ,

Another possibility is that a big corporate will dedicate a dev team to make their own FOSS fork of the Lemmy codebase that, due to its rich feature set and support, becomes THE version of Lemmy to use. Kinda like Meta and React (though React was originally fully internal to Meta, you get the point). Of all the big companies to do this kind of thing, Meta would be the best, imo, given how they’ve been with their AI models and React, but I still don’t like the idea given what we’ve seen happen with Red Hat.

bigblarf ,

…except lemmy is GPLv3, so any fork has to be released with the entirety of it’s source code, which stops companies from doing shit like that.

renrenPDX ,

Brave of you thinking that I don’t have multiple Fediverse accounts. Buying those instances would be worthless, since users would just migrate to a different instance, even easier than moving from Reddit.

MrCrowBard , to showerthoughts in People should start making memes that explain how Lemmy actually works
Mythril OP ,

The link is broken?

MrCrowBard ,

Works for me but the hosting site seems to go down intermittently. Was just a rewrite of the “I made this” meme

Mythril OP ,

Hmm it says “Image was not found, might be deleted”, so I was wondering if you used the wrong link (not the public one). Ah well, could be server issues I guess yeah.

MrCrowBard ,

It’s just the host I think as when I refresh it now it shows that it was deleted but it worked a few minutes ago.

Same image hosted on imgur

Track_Shovel , to youshouldknow in YSK: If you're on Lemmy.World or Sh.itjust.works you should not subscribe to any Beehaw communities

laughs in tiny instance

bilb ,
@bilb@lem.monster avatar

The benefit is nobody bothers to de-federate you so you can subscribe to communities/magazines everywhere, the downside is a relatively barren /all.

Track_Shovel ,

That, and you have to search for communities and then subscribe to them manually - my biggest challenge rn

Nemo ,

Neither of these are downsides, to me. Curation is key.

coldhotman , (edited ) to android in What are your favorite (FOSS if possible) launchers?
@coldhotman@nrsk.no avatar

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Cheradenine ,

I love KISS, have you looked at F-Droid? You might like Discreet or Kvaesitso

coldhotman , (edited )
@coldhotman@nrsk.no avatar

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Cheradenine ,

I use KISS on my phone, it makes one handed easy. I use Discreet on my tablet, nothing on my homescreen but, pull down for my favorites, all apps (except those I have hidden) are swipe up. People love Kvaesitso though, and it’s really good, just not for me. Probably in my perfect world I would use Discreet with something like Samsung Side Panels, but FOSS.

tulwinn , to gaming in What game do you think came closest to being "perfect"?

I think I would have to go with Stardew Valley. It has something for any mood I’m in.

I can spend my time on the farm, looking after the animals, crops, reorganising. I can go and be social with the neighbours, help them out, do some work towards the community centre. If I feel adventurous I can go explore the mines fighting monsters.

Where I’ve done all that I can start again on a new farm and try a different strategy, I can even play with friends and work together. Its just cozy fun.

m3adow ,
@m3adow@feddit.de avatar

Don't forget the rich modding possibilities and the exhaustive mod landscape.

tulwinn ,

I couldnt speak to them as Ive never tried the mods. They look cool though.

I first got Stardew, on my switch, during my university days. My wife and myself spent a couple of weeks over christmas playing everytime we could. I have purchased it on PC but not really played it.

I mainly play it now on my phone, its a perfect stress reliever, I can nip on for 5 minutes and still achieve something. Neither support the mods!

One day I will get into the mods! oh yes

gelberhut , to android in lemmy app with multisub feature
@gelberhut@feddit.de avatar

You can subscribe to them all via your home instance (if your and target instances are not federated). I.e. you, most probably, do not need any multisub feature at all.

dub ,

Right but if I just wanted to see Android stuff from all the other instances and communities how would I do that?

Wouldn’t my home screen just be clogged up with all of the Android instances and communities as well as everything else I’m subscribed to? What if I just wanted to see Android stuff?

gelberhut ,
@gelberhut@feddit.de avatar

Got you you now. Thanks!

GrayBackgroundMusic ,

Sometimes I just wanna see all the 3d printing stuff, not everything I’m subbed to.

gelberhut ,
@gelberhut@feddit.de avatar

Got you you now. Thanks!

IndomitableAlbus , to android in Should I delete the Google app from my phone?

I’m seeing a few recommendations to flash a custom ROM.

Wouldn’t that be just great, there’s only one slight problem with that idea …

You mentioned it’s a Samsung device.

Depending on which Samsung device you have, custom ROMS are hard or in some cases impossible to find and the process to install them is more difficult than on some other devices.

Get the process wrong and you’ll brick your phone, so think long and hard before you go down that road.

Just thought I’d give you a heads up.

original_ish_name ,

You will most likely only get a soft brick. You need to try to completely brick your phone

WheeGeetheCat , to nostupidquestions in So how long until the Fediverse is monetized?
@WheeGeetheCat@sh.itjust.works avatar

People could monetize individual instances. They can’t monetize the whole thing because its open source software.

I’m kind of shocked how many young kids don’t get this.

FarLine99 ,

It is okey not to understand it. Don’t be rude. You were also not born with knowledge of the principles of free software and fediverse.

WheeGeetheCat ,
@WheeGeetheCat@sh.itjust.works avatar

Yeah its more that I assumed each generation would get naturally better at tech, but its more like cars where the first generation knows how to fix them and subsequent ones don’t, because the cars get so good that you don’t need to

obviouspornalt , (edited )

There’s some truth to that. The computers I was first exposed to costs thousands of dollars and all you got was a text console with a prompt. You had to figure out how to make the magic box do something meaningful.

Now a Raspberry Pi computer with 1000x more compute power, memory plus network connectivity costs $6. The equivalent of the computers I originally learned to program on is now basically a disposable commodity.

henfredemars ,

I recently experienced this while building an upgrade for my 3D printer. The upgrade kit included a touchscreen. I found out later that the touchscreen was effectively its own separate computer with more than 10x more resources than the actual computer inside the 3D printer that was doing the most important calculations.

The compute and memory resource constraints were basically nonexistent factors in the design of the printer and the upgrade kit. Merely, a simpler computer was easier to design for and characterize, so the printer itself had a very simple computer, and for the UX, a “beefy” computer was much easier to program. It’s bizarre seeing how little the amount of computer resources mattered. It might as well have been free.

Samihazah ,

I really wish those 6$ raspies were easily accessible though.
Your point still stands, it wasn’t easy getting a tower in the olden days either.

drphungky ,

I really wish those 6$ raspies were easily accessible though.

Orangepi was the alternative for a while. There are lots of “knockoffs” that are even cheaper these days. RPi decided they wanted to focus on business customers first and have kind of strayed from their mission in exchange for (likely) perpetuity and subsidizing the hobbyists and poor people they are supposed to care about.

LTT did a good video on alternatives 4 months ago. That’s a while in this market though, so I’d definitely shop around.

obviouspornalt ,

I just bought a few at adafruit. I didn’t realize they were in short supply now.

ThrowThrowThrewaway8 ,

Shockingly- I’ve heard from a few of my teacher friends that the upcoming generation isn’t that computer savvy. (EDIT- “traditional” computers that is).

We’re starting to see the “tablet kids” grow up. They were raised with iPads and iPhones. And they didn’t have to deal with figuring out how to “deal with the inner workings” to download a bunch of computer programs. Their typing skills are apparently not that great as well for the same reason.

frozen ,
@frozen@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz avatar

This is the consequence of so many years of idiot-proofing things. While not necessarily a bad thing most of the time, having shit that “just works” absolutely ruins troubleshooting skills. I see it all the time with my nieces and nephews.

archomrade ,

I confidently told my retired parents that I thought we were approaching a world where self-hosting and open source would be far more common, I’m disappointed that it sounds as if I overestimated computer literacy in the new generation :(

sauerkraus ,

The average person is just as unlikely as ever to understand the processed behind the tools (conputers) they use. But the nerdy kids of each generation have more access to knowledge that lets them nerd out even harder. And the connectivity of the internet gets ideas shared easily. If someone is interested in a hobby these days they have a knowledge base that only the most dedicated nerds had back in the day.

sauerkraus ,

The average person is just as unlikely as ever to understand the processed behind the tools (conputers) they use. But the nerdy kids of each generation have more access to knowledge that lets them nerd out even harder. And the connectivity of the internet gets ideas shared easily. If someone is interested in a hobby these days they have a knowledge base that only the most dedicated nerds had back in the day.

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