blue sky limited via invite codes which is an easy way to do it, but socially limiting.
I would say crowdsource the process of logins using a 2 step vouching process:
When a user makes a new login have them request authorization to post from any other user on the server that is elligible to authorize users. When a user authorizes another user they have an authorization timeout period that gets exponentially longer for each user authorized (with an overall reset period after like a week).
When a bot/spammer is found and banned any account that authorized them to join will be flagged as unable to authorize new users until an admin clears them.
Result: If admins track authorization trees they can quickly and easily excise groups of bots
I think this would be too limiting for humans, and not effective for bots.
As a human, unless you know the person in real life, what’s the incentive to approve them, if there’s a chance you could be banned for their bad behavior?
As a bot creator, you can still achieve exponential growth - every time you create a new bot, you have a new approver, so you go from 1 -> 2 -> 4 -> 8. Even if, on average, you had to wait a week between approvals, in 25 weeks (less that half a year), you could have over 33 million accounts. Even if you play it safe, and don’t generate/approve the maximal accounts every week, you’d still have hundreds of thousands to millions in a matter of weeks.
This ignores the first part of my response - if I, as a legitimate user, might get caught up in one of these trees, either by mistakenly approving a bot, or approving a user who approves a bot, and I risk losing my account if this happens, what is my incentive to approve anyone?
Additionally, let’s assume I’m a really dumb bot creator, and I keep all of my bots in the same tree. I don’t bother to maintain a few legitimate accounts, and I don’t bother to have random users approve some of the bots. If my entire tree gets nuked, it’s still only a few weeks until I’m back at full force.
With a very slightly smarter bot creator, you also won’t have a nice tree:
As a new user looking for an approver, how do I know I’m not requesting (or otherwise getting) approved by a bot? To appear legitimate, they would be incentivized to approve legitimate users, in addition to bots.
A reasonably intelligent bot creator would have several accounts they directly control and use legitimately (this keeps their foot in the door), would mix reaching out to random users for approval with having bots approve bots, and would approve legitimate users in addition to bots. The tree ends up as much more of a tangled graph.
You don’t lose your account for approving a bot (well maybe if you approve dozens of them or something extraordinary malicious), you’re just not allowed to approve anymore.
You also don’t get dinged by having approved others who approved bots, unless that too becomes da trend.
Additionally, let’s assume I’m a really dumb bot creator, and I keep all of my bots in the same tree. I don’t bother to maintain a few legitimate accounts, and I don’t bother to have random users approve some of the bots. If my entire tree gets nuked, it’s still only a few weeks until I’m back at full force.
Even A few weeks is a big amount and there’s no guarantee it’s that little time.
If someone keeps approving accounts who end up getting caught generating spam trees, then that account might lose privileged to approve as well.
Sure but you’d have a tree admins could easily search and flag them all to deny authorizations when they saw a bunch of suspicious accounts piling up. Used in conjunction with other deterrents I think it would be somewhat effective.
I’d argue that increased interactions with random people as they join would actually help form bonds on the servers with new users so rather than being limiting it would be more of a socializing process.
This ignores the first part of my response - if I, as a legitimate user, might get caught up in one of these trees, either by mistakenly approving a bot, or approving a user who approves a bot, and I risk losing my account if this happens, what is my incentive to approve anyone?
Additionally, let’s assume I’m a really dumb bot creator, and I keep all of my bots in the same tree. I don’t bother to maintain a few legitimate accounts, and I don’t bother to have random users approve some of the bots. If my entire tree gets nuked, it’s still only a few weeks until I’m back at full force.
With a very slightly smarter bot creator, you also won’t have a nice tree:
As a new user looking for an approver, how do I know I’m not requesting (or otherwise getting) approved by a bot? To appear legitimate, they would be incentivized to approve legitimate users, in addition to bots.
A reasonably intelligent bot creator would have several accounts they directly control and use legitimately (this keeps their foot in the door), would mix reaching out to random users for approval with having bots approve bots, and would approve legitimate users in addition to bots. The tree ends up as much more of a tangled graph.
It feels like you’re making the argument that both random users wouldn’t approve anything in the first paragraph and they would readily approve bots in the fourth.
The reality is most users would probably be fairly permissive but might be delayed in their authorizations (ex they’re offline). If a bot acts enough like a person it probably won’t get caught right away but its likely whoever did let it in will be barred from authorizing people. I’m not saying this is a perfect solution but I would argue its an improvement over existing systems as over time users that are better at sussing out bots will likely be the largest group able to authorize people.
I’d imagine there would need to be an option for whoever was an authorization was made to (the authorizor) to start a DM chain with the requesting account.
Uh, what’s happening here? The post shows no content for me, and clicking on the title only redirects me back to the post itself. Yet other people in the comment section are talking as if there was some specific content here, other than just the title “ravages of socialism”.
Am I missing something here? Is there a malfunction, or did OP edit their post after the fact so that the actual content is just gone?
Move. Why stay somewhere that is taking advantage of you?
If you aren’t receiving benefits for the taxes you’re paying or representation for your votes, you can run for office or move and find immediate relief in less expensive countries, which is almost every country.
Do me a solid. Just go get on a plane to any one of those places. Just step off the plane and just live there. No visas or any other nonsense. You’re the smart one and know better. Only 300 bucks to fly! These guys are just dumb.
Have done. Yes, that’s correct, no other nonsense. It’s why I encourage others unhappy with their financial lot in the states to do the same, because it’s so simple to change one’s life.
As a note, visas are not some unobtainable holy grail. You fill out a,few pages of an application, pay 30-60 bucks and you can stay in the country you choose for extended periods , often years rather than months.
It takes twenty minutes to fill out most visa applications, it’s not the complicated, herculean talk you’re making it out to be.
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