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psvrh , to fediverse in Threads can now show replies from Mastodon and other fediverse apps
@psvrh@lemmy.ca avatar

Does it work the other way? Can I follow Threads users without being on threads.net myself?

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Yes. Has been for a while. But only if Threads users opt into it. Of course the things Meta doesn’t actually want you to do is opt-in, and everything else is either opt-out or not an option at all.

atocci ,

It’s opt-in because it’s a beta

_edge ,

Which instances federate with threads? Is there a list?

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

As far as I know, there’s only a manually-configured list of instances that DON’T federate…

infeeeee ,

mastodon.social, the “default” instance federates. If you have an account there you can see zuckerberg’s profile with this link: mastodon.social/@zuck/ without an account this redirects to threads

On other federating instances just search for @[email protected]

Blaze , to fediverse in Threads can now show replies from Mastodon and other fediverse apps

Thanks for sharing.

How relevant is Threads? Seems like most people who still want a centralized microblogging platform moved to BlueSky

The_Picard_Maneuver ,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t think that Threads or BlueSky really took off. I think the majority of people who haven’t outright deleted the app are still on Twitter.

fossphi ,

I’m not so sure. I talked to some people who knew about threads, a couple even had accounts. These are not tech oriented people. Moreover, I quite often see memes/screenshots of bluesky posts right here.

Make of that what you will. I have no numbers or anything, but it seems like they’re not as dead as we might think.

mosiacmango ,

They arent dead, but they are in the millions of users, not hundreds of millions.

That is enough to sustain a social media platform, but none of them fully have the network effect going for them yet.

With federation, hopefully they won’t need it. That can be the network effect once interoperability is really here. Then everyone can still communicate, but not be beholden to any one service/owner/etc.

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

BlueSky is federated also. Only using a different protocol.

kbal ,
@kbal@fedia.io avatar

Is it really? Seems hard to find out. Anyone have a list of Bluesky servers other than the central one with open signups?

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

It’s not hard to find out. It uses their own AT protocol. I don’t know if there’s a list but if I open the app, pretty much everyone I see is running on a federated server…

kbal , (edited )
@kbal@fedia.io avatar

Well, what's a popular server? Are there several big ones? Sorry, but I really don't understand why the answer isn't turning up in web search results.

PS: Are you sure it isn't just people who've done the "set your domain as your handle" thing but even so are still on the central one? Because even if they have made some small progress towards decentralization they absolutely have not gone so far that there isn't still a central one.

kbal ,
@kbal@fedia.io avatar

Further searching turns up the information that "federated" Bluesky PDS instances are limited to ten user accounts each, and API usage limits which may constrain things further. So that would explain why there aren't any big ones.

So far as I can tell they do all still "federate" through the central server, not directly with each other. So there being not much point in it may also explain why it hasn't caught on.

Almost as bad as Threads, really.

ericjmorey ,
@ericjmorey@discuss.online avatar

AT protocol doesn’t federate the way ActivityPub does. There are separations between how your dat is stored, how it is aggregated, how it is filtered, and how it is displayed. Each part can be hosted separately and federate differently with separate instances of each part. The aggregation part is the thing that is most critical and there are probably some limited independent instances of that, but BlueSky has offered no support in facilitating this beyond making their peices AT Protocol compliant. You van take what BlueSky built and try to run your own instance of the aggregation service but they provide no documentation or support. You could also build your own, but that’s difficult and I don’t think anyone is trying.

So it is federated, but pretty much no one is interested in doing the work to federate with the primary infrastructure.

mark , to fediverse in Threads can now show replies from Mastodon and other fediverse apps
@mark@programming.dev avatar

I dont want any parts of Threads. But if they’re gonna federate, at least do it 100%. This half-ass, piecemeal approach where they release an itty bitty teeny weeny change every month is weird.

FlihpFlorp ,

I’m sure it’s so they can also slowly add features of their own and slowly make their platform better

Idk just seeing threads makes me think of EEE so thank you lemmy you have trained me well

Max_P ,
@Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me avatar

Indicates to me the decision to do ActivityPub was bolted on very late in the project’s lifecycle, probably rushed to try to take the users flocking away from Twitter.

Because a lot of those limitations makes zero sense.

pewgar_seemsimandroid , to technology in EU finds Microsoft violated antirust laws by bundling Teams

give us Skype

Appoxo , (edited )
@Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

*A well programmed teams

pewgar_seemsimandroid ,

no I meant giving Skype to the fediverse or something

IsThisAnAI , to technology in EU finds Microsoft violated antirust laws by bundling Teams

Oh look, the EU making teams harder to use. I’m sure slack and workspaces will bring down that price any day now 🙄

Pointless move for political points.

DaTingGoBrrr ,

Let me guess. You’re an American?

In Europe we have rules, regulations and consumer protections because our respective countries and the collective union actually give a shit about the people that live here.

IsThisAnAI ,

Help! MS gives us chat with good integration with its other services, I’m being assaulted!

DaTingGoBrrr ,

Did you even read what this is about?

The European Commission used its statement to detail its concern “that Microsoft may have granted Teams a distribution advantage by not giving customers the choice whether or not to acquire access to Teams when they subscribe to their SaaS productivity applications. This advantage may have been further exacerbated by interoperability limitations between Teams’ competitors and Microsoft’s offerings. The conduct may have prevented Teams’ rivals from competing, and in turn innovating, to the detriment of customers in the European Economic Area.”

namingthingsiseasy ,

I doubt that you’re interested in arguing in good faith, but if by some miracle you do care about having an informed opinion before opening your mouth, how would you respond to things like this?

This essentially killed my (EU-based) startup in the project management and collaborate space. Before MSFT bundled Teams with O365 we were rapidly growing and closing enterprise customers in the automotive, energy and education industries with high retention rates. Right around the time the Teams bundling started our retention dropped, churn went through the roof, growth slowed down, we failed to raise our next round because of it and had to drastically downsize the company, causing even more churn (about 80% net churn in 2 years). This move by the EU is good, but too little too late - 99% of the companies that were hurt by this have already shut down, and the ones still running will take years to recover…

IsThisAnAI ,

There are many reasons vc’s fail and just as many excuses. 2 paragraphs with no mentions of slack, workspaces, hipchat, discord, etc is far from an analysis of an uncompetitive field and product

Teams offers voice, chat, call queues and routing, telephony and traditional voip including international regions, along with saml, log shipping, and DLP. And they are charging $5/mo in a revenue positive service. So, to answer your question, I would reserve my judgment for something more substantial than a failed CEOs single rant on hacker news.

I would be more supportive if there were more products that could compete on base features before we talk about integration, as well as seeing a non profitable service eg loss leading.

mindlesscrollyparrot , to technology in EU finds Microsoft violated antirust laws by bundling Teams

As far as I can tell, Microsoft tried to hold off these anti-trust lawsuits by intentionally making the interoperability and feature-parity between its products shockingly bad.

Bakkoda ,

That’s not a bug, that’s a feature!

Ensign_Crab , to technology in EU finds Microsoft violated antirust laws by bundling Teams

EU antitrust enforcement: foreign labor doing the jobs Americans won’t.

DogPeePoo , (edited )

They were pumping the stock and trying to kill Slack (WORK) at the time before Slack merged with Salesforce (CRM)

AlexanderESmith , to technology in EU finds Microsoft violated antirust laws by bundling Teams
n3cr0 , to technology in Volkswagen and Rivian agree to $5 billion partnership

“You wouldn’t download a car.”

Sounds like it’s time to turn my phone into a car already.

Gormadt ,
@Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Don’t give Apple any ideas

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

They just disbanded that project.

Gormadt ,
@Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Holy shit you weren’t joking!

Given Apple’s track record for allowing people to repair their devices this would have been a nightmare product

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

To be fair, repairing any modern car is kind of a nightmare.

Gormadt ,
@Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Especially electric ones.

“What’s that you have code for the battery?you need a full new one, we don’t replace bad cells.”

CrimeDad , to technology in Volkswagen and Rivian agree to $5 billion partnership

The businesses are launching a joint venture to develop platforms for “software-defined vehicles.”

Big oof.

crawancon ,

that sounds just awful

markon ,

You Lemmy drones to are the same as the Reddit ones thinking they smart but no one here smart including me because I posted this comment

crawancon ,

People are stupid no matter the domain/platform/social media they interact on.

except me. im like smart and stuff.

weststadtgesicht ,

Yeah we’re all stupid, except VW and their software-defined cars. Should we cease to exist now or what are you suggesting?

fossphi ,

Do you disagree with something?

asbestos ,
@asbestos@lemmy.world avatar

Enshittification on another whole level

fluxion ,

With the entire vehicle constructed from IoT components

catloaf ,

So I just need to run an Ansible playbook and my sedan turns into a pickup truck?

mortalic ,

Isn’t this more or less what Tesla did?

ms_lane ,

VW has been doing it for years anyway.

Multiple features of their infotainment are there but softlocked out, the engines on the more powerful trim levels aren’t different or tuned, it’s just a different ecu map, etc.

CrimeDad ,

I have observed that myself with the infotainment system of my 2017 Golf Alltrack, but when did they start software derating their engines? My understanding is that there’s nothing much to be gained from an aftermarket ECU tune unless I switch to premium gas and the more powerful Golf models have other real differences like bigger turbochargers.

CrimeDad ,

I don’t know if they were the first, but they’re one of the most notorious offenders.

RecluseRamble ,

Yay, subscriptions for everything! Car as a service! What’s not to like?? 🤮

AaronMaria , to workreform in Uber is locking New York drivers out of its apps and blaming a city pay rule

I thought this was 196 and was confused for a second

HollandJim , to world in Apple may face a mammoth fine after the EU said it violated competition rules

Easy for many to jump on the “fuck Apple” bandwagon, but the EU doesn’t say what they want - just “nope, it’s not that…”.

The EU Is Reaping What It Sows With the DMA: Uncertainty

awesome_lowlander ,

Personally, I’m happy to see regulations that hold megacorps to the spirit and intent of those regulations, rather than having a dozen loopholes they can pass through. The lawyers are of course unhappy since they can’t argue in court that they met the absolute minimum letter of the law.

arandomthought ,

Thank you, this gets to the core of the problem. Exorbitant amounts of money and effort is spent to find where the letter of the law does not match the spirit of the law. Language is messy, so it never completely will. But in cases where the spirit of the law is so obvious I’m happy when it’s enforced instead of letting them off on technicalities.

xmunk , to workreform in Uber is locking New York drivers out of its apps and blaming a city pay rule

So… ban Uber.

xmunk , to world in Apple may face a mammoth fine after the EU said it violated competition rules

Is the fine more than a hundred billion? If not it’s fucking chump change to Apple.

Viking_Hippie , to world in Apple may face a mammoth fine after the EU said it violated competition rules

up to 10 percent of its global annual revenue

Should a DMA violation be repeated, fines can reach up to 20 percent of global annual revenue.

That’s over a thousand dollars!

Throughout the past several months, Apple has made a number of changes to comply with bypass the DMA

Fixed that for them

We are confident our plan complies with the law,

It most likely doesn’t.

and estimate more than 99 percent of developers would pay the same or less in fees to Apple under the new business terms we created.

Translation: current fleecing levels will remain

All developers doing business in the EU on the App Store have the opportunity to utilize the capabilities that we have introduced, including the ability to direct app users to the web to complete purchases at a very competitive rate.

You’re still free to pay us for using the cheaper services provided by others.

As we have done routinely, we will continue to listen and engage with the European Commission.”

We’re paying close attention to find out how best to bypass the law without paying the fines

delaying the rollout of Apple Intelligence — the company’s name for a suite of generative AI features that will debut in iOS 18 — and some other features in the EU. “We are concerned that the interoperability requirements of the DMA could force us to compromise the integrity of our products in ways that risk user privacy and data security,” the company told Bloomberg.

Translation: they won’t let us monetize every tiny bit of data with no compensation or even notice

Fuck Apple. Fuck their walled garden profiteering bullshit. FUCK their blatant lies about it.

awesome_lowlander ,

That’s over a thousand dollars!

This line I take issue with. EU penalties are possibly the most painful of all marketplaces worldwide.

Viking_Hippie ,

I know, I was just being silly for the sake of being silly on that one heh.

Fining Apple tens of billions of dollars is genuinely a great start towards making it not financially viable for them to break the law, so I’m all for it!

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