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eldoom , to news in Serial Killers Have Rapidly Declined Since The 1980s

No… Actually they switched to killing homeless and drug addicts and the police don’t actually investigate them.

girlfreddy ,
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… and Indigenous and Black women, who just run away for no reason so aren’t really missing.

mightyfoolish ,

But they were existing, menacingly! 😨

Shelbyeileen ,
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I do research and writing for a crime docuseries, and the amount of times sex workers go missing and cops/news don’t care until there’s multiple bodies or a more well known disappearance occurs, is DISGUSTING.

The Poughkeepsie Killer was killing sex workers in broad daylight and was keeping their corpses in his hoarder house attic. The families of Wendy Meyers and Gina Barone went to the press and were told that the cases “weren’t the kind the public cared about”.

Police had the suspect but didn’t pursue the case until 5 women went missing. Why do their lives matter less just because they do a different kind of physical labor for work? Each was someone’s daughter.

eldoom ,

This is the truth.

Cops don’t do anything about it around here because they see it as some kind of Dexter situation, it “reduces their workload,” and whatnot.

Way back in my homeless/drug addict days I was chilling with this bigger time cartel dealer guy. Everyone knew that he was definitely a serial killer but his target was always heroin addict girls and I am neither of those. We’re driving around and cops just swarm us. After some questions, they ended up giving him back his gun (he’s a felon) and telling him that their agreement was that he is not to ever leave the more ghetto area of town. They then openly gang stalked us until we went back to that area.

I’m fairly certain that police commonly know exactly who the serial killers are in their area and I think they often times have agreements with them.

girlfreddy ,
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Canadian cops from Vancouver ignored Robert Pickton’s serial killing for over 20 years 'cause he targeted prostitutes from the DTES (downtown east side). He fed their bodies to his pigs and finally confessed to 49, convicted of 6 murders.

Toronto cops ignored outcries from the LGBTQI+ community for almost 7 years because Bruce McArthur’s victims were almost all immigrants. The landscaper was finally convicted of 8 murders, hiding the body pieces in large planters on his client’s properties.

taanegl , to news in Serial Killers Have Rapidly Declined Since The 1980s

Western society was unclear of whether or not making them executives was a good idea to begin with.

Kolanaki , to news in Serial Killers Have Rapidly Declined Since The 1980s
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Fads always make a return eventually… 😌

LeroyJenkins ,

bro how are you everywhere? why can’t I escape you??

RagingRobot , to news in Serial Killers Have Rapidly Declined Since The 1980s

But podcasts about them have rapidly increased

BonesOfTheMoon OP ,

Yes and I think it’s ridiculous. Like that podcast My Favourite Murder? That’s just insulting to the victims who died terrified and alone, IMO. Might as well have a podcast called My Favourite Rape if they’re going to treat human misery as a spectator sport.

III , to news in Serial Killers Have Rapidly Declined Since The 1980s

In the book Freakonomics they made the argument that the sudden decline in crime in the late 90’s appeared to be tied to Roe v. Wade. I wonder if this is similar.

mightyfoolish ,

I thought you were being sarcastic but there is a book called Freakonomics and it does suggest as you said. Check the “Criticism” section for details.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freakonomics

seth ,

It’s the same quality of scholarship as a Malcolm Gladwell book - namely, none. On the one hand it’s a shame these kinds of books are bestsellers, but I guess it’s good that people are reading books at all. Most of the people I know stopped reading in their mid-20s except for poorly written “news” articles online that can be completed in a couple minutes or less.

mightyfoolish ,

Maybe most written content is written in jest and we just missed the memo? One can dream.

captainlezbian ,

Weird most people I know read fiction for fun.

sleepmode ,

A large percentage of serial killers suffered from childhood abuse and trauma. Kids in the foster system are often abused and traumatized. I can see it.

ammonium ,

Seems to have been debunked: economist.com/…/why-freakonomics-failed-to-transf…

Later researchers found a coding error and pointed out that Mr Levitt had used the total number of arrests, which depends on the size of a population, and not the arrest rate, which does not. Others pointed out that the fall in homicide started among women. No-fault divorce, rather than legalised abortion, may have played a bigger role.

galoisghost , to news in Serial Killers Have Rapidly Declined Since The 1980s
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Interestingly the start of the decline is 1988 which also happens to be the year the seminal Stewart Raffill film Mac and Me was released. Coincidence? I wonder.

Huckledebuck ,
grrgyle ,

mfw

anticurrent , (edited ) to news in Serial Killers Have Rapidly Declined Since The 1980s

They have joined the military or private military companies since. they can kill as much as they like with complete impunity, in many wars like Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Ukraine, Palestine and Gaza, plus it’s brown people they are killing so they feel triple the reword, society is fine with that as long as it who they view as the enemy who’s the subject of their carnal instincts.

You can’t convince me that the image of the horrors committed by the IDF in Gaza and the US military aren’t of psychopaths having a blast paid for by their own societies.

FluorideMind ,

I mean. War and soldiers of fortune existed in the 80s so I don’t think that’s exactly why.

captainlezbian ,

Yeah back in the day they could always fight for fucking Rhodesia if they just wanted to kill brown people in war

FluorideMind ,

Be a man among men.

echodot , to news in Serial Killers Have Rapidly Declined Since The 1980s

Same with small shops. Big businesses are out competing them and taking over.

There is no culture left anymore, it’s disgraceful.

gothic_lemons , to news in Serial Killers Have Rapidly Declined Since The 1980s

War on drugs shifted police focus from real crimes, to you guessed it, drugs. I bet some serial killers go under the radar due to shitty police work.

“Nah those murders aren’t related, let’s go do a no knock raid on shitty evidence. Maybe plant some drugs? That always cheers ya up Captain!” - Cops, probably

Pat_Riot , to news in Serial Killers Have Rapidly Declined Since The 1980s
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They’re just cops now.

BonesOfTheMoon OP ,

Lol yes.

MonkderZweite , to news in Serial Killers Have Rapidly Declined Since The 1980s

Replaced by mass shootings?

BonesOfTheMoon OP ,

By white supremacists and right wing terrorists yeah. 67 over a five year period in the US.

wavebeam , to news in Serial Killers Have Rapidly Declined Since The 1980s
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lot of comments in here talking about how they’re just doing their kills some other way: cops, mass shootings, not getting caught (this one is the most braindead). But everyone is ignoring how we’ve largely eliminated regular lead exposure that used to be the norm. that shit makes you go fucking insane.

Wahots ,
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Leaded gasoline production and learning about the butterfly room in the lead producing part of the factory was fucking terrifying. That shit was so dangerous to workers.

Not to mention drivers and pedestrians.

Kaput ,

What is the butterfly room?

hooferboof ,
Wizard_Pope ,
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Jesus chrost that is fucked up.

grrgyle ,

[…] House of Butterflies—a building for tetraethyl lead synthesis—so named because its workers were known for brushing hallucinated insects from their bodies.

Absolutely chilling. The rest of the article is good too. A great example of how championing for positive change, though difficult and frustrating, can have huge huge positive effects. So glad to have heroes like Needleman in the world.

Wahots ,
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Really scary and sad for workers who were so badly poisoned. Glad we phased it out.

ininewcrow ,
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I don’t like the way policing has turned many first world countries into semi-police states … being a person of colour (like me) automatically makes you questionable with the law no matter what you’re doing. I know from experience.

But after saying all that, mass murderers and killers are probably lesser now because of better policing, mass surveillance, intercommunications, mass data collection, profiling, forensic science and monitoring. It’s a lot harder now than in was in the 60s, 70s or 80s for a random stranger to wander from place to place committing murders and not getting caught. It doesn’t mean it’s not possible … it’s just that in our day in age of technology, it’s a lot harder.

stanleytweedle ,

Clair Cameron Patterson should be on the dollar bill.

CoCo_Goldstein , to news in Serial Killers Have Rapidly Declined Since The 1980s

Could it be that not as many potential serial killers are being born? I believe there is a link between criminality and childhood abuse. Less unwanted kids are being born. Less abuse. Less criminals of all kinds, including serial killers.

BonesOfTheMoon OP ,

I think also it’s because it’s just people are so easily tracked now.

minkymunkey_7_7 ,

CSI type pop culture television has taught basically everyone on the planet that trace evidence always gets left behind and nobody can hide from DNA. Nowadays through genealogy they don’t even need a direct DNA match.

BonesOfTheMoon OP ,

The Long Island serial killer case that broke recently is a good example, they got evidence out of pizza crust he left in a garbage can outside his office. Evil piece of shit he is.

EvacuateSoul ,

I also hate people that don’t finish the crust.

Ragnarok314159 ,

Dude is going to turbo hell for that.

Socsa ,

This is the answer. The logistics of staying off camera and getting around without leaving a digital signature is much more complicated. In the 70s you could buy a bus pass with cash and disappear for a few days and nobody would know and you’d never be on any list of suspects. Now you need to set up fake cell phone activity and get an alibi on camera and put on disguises in a dive bar bathroom and shit. Very difficult to get “lost” for more than a few hours if you are working alone and operating anywhere near civilization.

hex_m_hell , to news in Serial Killers Have Rapidly Declined Since The 1980s

I wonder how many of them just got badges.

anon_8675309 , to news in Serial Killers Have Rapidly Declined Since The 1980s

Now they just do mass shootings.

HelixDab2 ,

That was specifically covered in he article.

There’s almost zero overlap in motivations between mass/spree killers, and serial killers.

Wolf_359 ,

I tend to agree but I don’t know if we can say that for sure.

Incels who want media attention is one way you could frame both types of killers.

HelixDab2 ,

I’m not sure that you can safely label serial killers as incels per se. BTK was married, IIRC. Ted Bundy def. dated. John Gacy was a pedophile (more accurately a hebephile, but close enough).

Many of them were misogynistic for sure, although that’s not necessarily a motive when you have serial killers that are gay or pedophiles (Gacy, Wayne Williams–believed to have been the Atlanta Child Murderer–and Dahmer). Incels seem to be much more likely to be spree or mass murderers; the idea of an incel where all women collectively share the blame seems to be a fairly new idea. And a lot of mass murderers aren’t related to sex a all, like the people that have been trying to start racial holy wars by murdering non-white people.

jwt ,

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