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yogthos ,
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That’s right, US isn’t fighting for some values or abstract freedoms, it’s fighting to secure the right of the oligarchs to plunder the resources of Ukraine. Anybody who still doesn’t understand this has a brain as smooth as a bowling ball.

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Will you stop lying already. The regime the west installed in Ukraine is literally kidnapping people off the street and forcing them to fight. Even western propagandists are now admitting this, yet here you are spreading blatant misinformation nytimes.com/…/ukraine-military-recruitment.html

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This sort of idiocy would be hilarious if it didn’t lead to hundreds of thousands of people dying.

yogthos ,
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That was supposed to be the big prize, and Balkanizing Russia would allow US to surround China with puppet regimes in the west. RAND even helpfully outlined the strategy in a paper they published back in 2019 www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR3063.html

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that does work better :)

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a great way to say your mental development stopped at age 12

yogthos ,
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so brave

yogthos ,
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Because Russia won the war.

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This deal is probably the last chance to save anything of Ukraine, and it will naturally be rejected because the west wants to fight this war to the last Ukrainian. People cheering this on really need to ask themselves what this was all for. Ukraine is in a far worse situation today than it was two years ago, and it will be in a worse situation with each and every day that passes. Western support peaked during the disastrous summer offensive last year, and Ukraine is now running out of trained and motivated soldiers. It’s obvious to anyone with a functioning brain what the end result of all this will be.

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One has to be gullible beyond belief to believe in the premise that Russia was trying to capture Kiev with 100k troops. In fact, we now have admissions from Ukrainians themselves that Russian aim was to get Ukraine to accept negotiations in Istanbul. This was almost achieved, but the west sabotaged them and here we are now. The terms Ukraine would have received at the time were immeasurably better than anything it can possibly hope for today.

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What keeps Russia from taking more territory now until there’s no Ukraine left?

yogthos ,
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Meanwhile in the real world

yogthos ,
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I highly recommend reading what people with actual military experience have to say instead of random propagandists on youtube rusi.org/…/attritional-art-war-lessons-russian-wa…

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It makes perfect sense as a diversion, and plenty of military experts explained how this diversion pinned large parts of Ukrainian army in the west while Russia secured positions in the east.

Here’s a game theory analysis on the causes of the war. youtu.be/pBwT-5z9R5A

The fact that you get your ideas about the war from these sorts of youtube channels as opposed to people with actual military experience explains why you believe in nonsensical things.

Of course Russia’s aims were to get Ukraine to accept their terms in Istanbul, namely that they get to keep what they’ve stolen. Fundamentally the same offer in the headline here.

The offer in Istanbul was completely different. It required Ukraine to implement Minsk agreements which both Ukraine and the west claimed to support, and to stay neutral. Now, Ukraine is losing large parts of its territory, and the deal will only get worse. At least learn a bit about the subject you’re attempting to opine on.

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So you admit being stupid for supporting a dictator who banned opposition parties, shut down free media, and cancelled elections?

yogthos ,
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Badly mauled is a weird way to say 15% larger than before the war started businessinsider.com/russias-army-15-percent-large…

Russia will very obviously be able to take Kiev and anything else it wants when Ukrainian army inevitably collapses. The reality is that the Ukraine was in its best position to make any positive change on the battlefront during the disastrous offensive last summer. That’s when the west cobbled all the support it could give, and Ukraine still had a large and motivated army. Western support is now drying up, meanwhile Ukrainian regime is running out of people to throw into the meat grinder.

and Ukraine has much more equipment and training than when the war began?

Literally the opposite is the case as even western media openly admits.

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The peak of that was during the disastrous offensive Ukraine tried doing last year, and it’s been dwindling rapidly ever since. Even western media now admits that the west lacks the industrial capacity needed to fight a war of attrition on this scale.

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Ah things that happened in Ukraine apply to Russia. That’s some impressive galaxy brain logic you’ve got going.

yogthos ,
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It’s like linking to an economist discussing the subject of quantum physics.

yogthos ,
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You win living in an alternate universe award, even western media admits none of that is true now.

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Yes, larger in weaponry as well. It’s also completely false that Russian army is growing through conscription. Please don’t spread blatant misinformation here.

We’ll see where things go now that Republicans have stopped blocking aid to Ukraine. Having the main supplier of military aid blocked blocked by legislative constipation does tend to make the front lines harder for Ukraine, yes.

The circus with blocking the budget was just that. The real problem US has is that it lacks the industrial base to produce weapons at the necessary rate. Please educate yourself on the subject instead of regurgitating nonsense rusi.org/…/attritional-art-war-lessons-russian-wa…

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Everybody knows what game theory is, however the discussion is about military capability and strategy which is best left to people who have experience in these things. Also, game theory makes plenty of assumptions which make it of questionable use in the real world. For example, game theory assumes that all actors are rational, and it’s pretty clear that the west has not been making rational decisions throughout this war.

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Putin has not jailed opposition parties, if you’re referring to Navalny he never had more than 3% support in Russia. The actual opposition is KPRF that has around 30% support. Meanwhile, journalists are jailed in the west all the time as well. Assange being a perfect example. Finally, the numbers for Putin’s support are openly admitted in western media. Why would you lie about something like this?

They now tend to see the weakness of the Russian anti-war movement as a mark of complicity among the Russian public, and they are dismayed by Putin’s approval rating: independent pollsters have measured it at over 80% support more than two years into the invasion. Even President Volodymyr Zelensky and his team have all but given up on their hopes of a popular backlash in Russia against the war.

yogthos ,
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Here’s a helpful tip for you. Go back and look at the predictions people made over the past two years, then see how many of those predictions were in line with what actually happened. Then stop listening to people who were consistently wrong about absolutely everything. Perun is a perfect example of somebody who was exposed as a complete and utter fraud. On the other hand, Biran Berletic made consistently accurate predictions about the direction of the war, so if you want to understand what’s happening then I can highly recommend watching his analysis www.youtube.com/

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Not only that, but also at a fraction of a cost.

In October, NATO’s senior military officer, Adm. Rob Bauer, said that the price for one 155mm shell had risen from 2,000 euros ($2,171) at the start of Russia’s full-scale invasion to 8,000 euros ($8,489.60).

www.defenseone.com/business/2023/11/…/392288/

Russia’s production costs are also far lower than the West’s, in part because Moscow is sacrificing safety and quality in its effort to build weapons more cheaply, Mr. Salm said. For instance, it costs a Western country $5,000 to $6,000 to make a 155-millimeter artillery round, whereas it costs Russia about $600 to produce a comparable 152-millimeter artillery shell, he said.

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yogthos ,
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When you definitely understand what a war time economy is.

yogthos ,
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Military production accounts for like 6% of Russian GDP. Lives for vast majority of people living in Russia haven’t been affected by the war in any way. Maybe read up a bit of history of WW2 to see what focusing a country on military production actually looks like.

yogthos OP ,
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If US left the region the problem would eventually be resolved by the people living there. It’s simply not the job of the US to play world police.

yogthos ,
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I can’t look up what does not exist. There is no such statement, you made it up and now you’re asking me to prove a negative.

yogthos ,
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Nice word salad, where does it contradict the fact that Russian army is now bigger than it was before the war started?

yogthos ,
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This has been the narrative that has been fed to the gullible segments of western population for the past two years. And if there was a shred of truth to it, then Russia would’ve collapsed a long time ago. The article doesn’t actually give any numbers, and just regurgitates nonsense. The article I linked gives specific figures, where Cavoli states that the size of Russian military has increased by 15%.

yogthos ,
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Thank you for confirming that you are unable to provide a specific quote that substantiates your claims.

yogthos ,
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See how in your article no where does he state that the russian state is stronger or more capable then before the war?

Numerous other articles I linked state that, including the fact that both Russian economy and military industry have greatly expanded. It’s pretty obvious that Russian army couldn’t grow without that happening.

The only one doing cherry picking here is you. I provided numerous sources that all substantiate different aspects of the bigger picture. You on the other hand, found an article that regurgitates what you want to be true, which is at odds with all the available evidence.

It’s pretty clear that I’m not going to convince you of anything here, but good news is that reality has a way of asserting itself. So, you’ll have to start engaging with the real world before long. Best of luck to you.

yogthos ,
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If you believe that quote constitutes a threat to attack the west, which is what you claimed earlier in this thread, then it’s pretty clear there’s no point continuing the discussion.

yogthos ,
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I’ve already explained to you why your source is misleading, and that the red lines your sources list trace back to western statements as opposed to Russian ones. It’s not about feels, it’s about you making an objectively false statement.

yogthos ,
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I literally have repeatedly, the fact that you keep repeating this says all we need to know about your intellectual integrity. Bye.

yogthos ,
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I did repeatedly and in detail. At least lie about something that’s not literally in the same thread.

yogthos ,
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No, what I repeated is that Russia never actually stated what these sources claim, and these claims come directly from western propagandists. I asked you to substantiate your claim based on what Russia has actually said officially, and you’ve refused to do that because we both know such statements don’t exist. The fact that you are simply incapable of admitting that you’re spreading misinformation is frankly pathetic beyond belief.

Feel free to link to a primary source showing your argument, and not just “trust me bro, I said it already”. But also, you already said bye, so I’m not sure why you keep coming back? Is that also something you like repeating?

en.wikipedia.org/…/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)#P…

yogthos ,
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I’m saying that what your sources claim has never been stated by Russia, and none of these sources actually link to anything ever stated by Russia. Since you’re claiming Russian red lines have been crossed, I asked you many times to provide the red lines that Russia actually stated. The fact that you keep doing mental gymnastics here instead of either providing red lines as stated by Russia or admitting you’re wrong is phenomenal.

I’ll ask you one last time. Please provide examples of Russia stating red lines that the west has crossed and Russia hasn’t reacted to. As far as I’m aware, Russia’s red line was NATO expansion into Ukraine and the reaction was the start of the war. The other red line that Russia has actually articulated was deep strikes into Russian territory using NATO weapons. This hasn’t happened so far which seems to be an indicator that NATO is not willing to cross this line.

yogthos , (edited )
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To sum up, you said Russian red lines have been crossed. I asked you to point to statements from Russia where these red lines you’re talking about are being declared. You have not been able to do that. Instead, you’ve spent two whole days doing sophistry. You’re not fooling anybody here.

To make an analogy, it would be like me claiming that you say that you love to fuck goats because a friend of mine says that you said you love to fuck goats. Then when you ask me to point where you actually said that, I just keep insisting that I trust what my friend said.

yogthos ,
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Note how nothing my friend says has any relation to whether you fuck goats or not the same way as your source has nothing to do with Russia’s actual red lines.

yogthos ,
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You still have not given a reasoning for rejecting the sources, and instead went on a tangent about my sexual exploits.

I did repeatedly, and you keep doing mental gymnastics trying to avoid acknowledging what I said. And what I said, for the hundredths time, is that Russia never made the statements that your source attributes to it.

What I don’t do is reject them without first hearing them or expect anyone else to just blindly reject them.

That is absolutely not what I did. In fact, I looked through several of the linked sources trying to find links to original statements from Russia which they do not provide.

Since all you’re capable of doing is lying there’s clearly no point continuing. Feel free to write another word salad though.

yogthos ,
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And Russia now treats the west as a direct party to the conflict. Thanks for confirming that Russia does what it says.

yogthos ,
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Again, none of these quotes state concrete action that Russia is threatening, and that’s the key difference between those and the concrete statements Russia made regarding F-16s. The statement in the latter case said that areas of deployment of F-16s would be considered valid targets whether they’re in Ukraine or outside of Ukraine. So, if the west ever does decide to deploy F-16s outside of Ukraine we’ll see what whether Russia responds as they said they would.

yogthos ,
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I didn’t avoid the question. From the very start my point was that none of the sources talking about red lines being crossed link back to any actual red lines being articulated by Russia. The two examples you gave confirm my point, you get that right?

yogthos ,
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I love how you’re aggressively working to avoid understanding what you’re being told. Like you really want to be right on this even though we both know you’re full of shit.

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