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yeahiknow3 ,

Pointing out that killing women and children is bad is “divisive.”

Amazing.

yeahiknow3 ,

Honest question, why are people so obsessed with living? I’d want to be euthanized at the first sign of dementia. Just give me like a week to get my affairs in order. It’s bizarre that people would rather exist as mindless husks than die peacefully at a time of their choosing.

Maybe it’s fear. Most humans live and think like animals whose impulse to survive overrides rationality. Or is there another explanation?

I genuinely want to understand.

yeahiknow3 ,

I defer to you on whether your particular life was worth living. The question is why you would want to live if your mind, your character and memories were gone — if you were a burden on those around you and could no longer engage in self-reflection or abstract reasoning. What would be the point?

yeahiknow3 , (edited )

Dementia is a spectrum of neuropathology, so you’ve effectively ignored my question. But ok, let’s go with your specific example. Why would you keep your father alive in such an undignified state? You’re describing him as playing with “child-level jigsaw puzzles,” meaning he’s barely sentient and someone has to wipe his ass, which is a horrifying indignity. Literally my idea of hell. Are you punishing him? Are you punishing yourself?

Humans are supposed to transcend the mortal realm, so why this obsession with remaining alive even at the expense of everyone around you? I guess I’ll never get an answer.

yeahiknow3 , (edited )

And I gave you my answer- I don’t believe in an afterlife, so I don’t want to end my life unless it has to end.

WHY? That’s what I’m asking you. You haven’t even attempted to answer this question.

You don’t like the answer

You haven’t given an answer, and my guess is you don’t have one. Perhaps the reason you would want to live, even with dementia, is a mystery to you. That’s fine, but just say so.

yeahiknow3 ,

Here’s how your answer sounds to me:

“I would rather pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to waste people’s time wiping my ass long after I’ve lost my mind than help future generations and my loved ones by passing away at a moment of my choosing.”

yeahiknow3 , (edited )

This kind of thing tends to happen when frugivorous apes attempt to eat meat for no reason.

Edit: the replies confirm that humans really are one chromosome away from Chimpanzees. Amazing.

yeahiknow3 ,

Give them their Darwin awards.

yeahiknow3 ,

You’ve really never encountered a biology textbook, huh?

yeahiknow3 ,

Worthless system. After the initial threats and subsequent violence that guy should have been on death row. Idk why we cut people so much slack. Seriously.

yeahiknow3 ,

Evil people sure are glad they have you to stand up for them.

yeahiknow3 , (edited )

What’s extra comical about this claim is that if nihilism were true, as you claim, then a fortiori the death penalty would be completely permissible.

yeahiknow3 , (edited )

The only person using rhetoric here is you. There are morally depraved people out there whom we colloquially refer to as “evil.” I don’t know why you insist on having a semantic argument. If “[moral depravity] does not exist,” as my interlocutor claims, then nihilism would indeed be true.

I would also like to point out that the ethical arguments against the death penalty in the scholarly literature are very weak and it remains an open question whether the death penalty is advisable on practical grounds. Morally it’s unlikely that any good argument exists to make it impermissible to kill “evil” people. You can check out the latest edition of any textbook on ethics, such as Living Ethics by Schaffer Landau, which syllogizes a variety of arguments on this topic.

yeahiknow3 , (edited )

Let me again recommended this textbook on Ethics: global.oup.com/…/living-ethics-9780197608876

The death penalty is chapter 20.

Also,

  1. “Death” isn’t (or should not be) a punishment. We don’t “punish” rabid dogs when we euthanize them. Sometimes the alternative is simply worse.
  2. Earlier you said that “evil cannot be quantified” and therefore doesn’t exist. However, quantifiability is not an ontological prerequisite. If it were, then almost nothing would exist, including you and me.
  3. You don’t need to resort to straw men. Respond to my arguments instead of arguing with yourself.
  4. Moral claims wouldn’t be “arbitrary” unless nihilism is true, which you’ve denied.
yeahiknow3 ,

That’s a classic.

yeahiknow3 ,

Entrepreneurship. Getting people what they need in a hostile environment.

yeahiknow3 ,

Your hormones are out of whack. Get yourself tested. It’s not expensive and unaddressed endocrine problems are really shitty.

yeahiknow3 ,

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yeahiknow3 ,

I think profit is even more central to the system than punishment. If the powers that be could make money rehabilitating inmates instead of enslaving them they would. Punishment almost makes sense if people were making these decisions. But there are no people in the chain of authority. Only insects obsessed with turning their victims into profits.

yeahiknow3 ,

Nothing will change until the rich are brought to heel. Nothing.

yeahiknow3 ,

Old people on cruise ships are notoriously annoying so an occasional stabbing is understandable.

yeahiknow3 ,

“Could be?” Like the way falling on your head from 5 stories up “could be” unhealthy?

yeahiknow3 ,

Yes, do we have cause to be against genocide or don’t we? This one is tough. I mean the merits of genocide are obvious but there are drawbacks, too. Those pesky academics can’t see the bigger picture.

Or, generally when students and academics at the world’s top universities start protesting, shit is fucked.

yeahiknow3 ,

Killing children is bad: this is not something over which genuine disagreement could possibly arise.

I mean, aren’t we literally against Hamas because they kill children? What is so complex about being consistent with the application of your moral rules?

yeahiknow3 , (edited )

A person makes a decision. If that decision is almost certainly going to result in the deaths of children, it is the wrong decision. You will never face a simpler moral scenario than this.

People can argue about justifications in good faith, of course… although ironically in this case, we can’t even do that, since we both know that bombing Gaza does nothing to ameliorate the conflict and everything to exacerbate it.

Also, this isn’t a war. Wars are fought between nations, and Israel does not recognize Palestine’s sovereignty. Gaza has no self-determination. There’s no government. It is a prison full of children. An abomination for which no civilian living in Gaza bears any responsibility.

Lastly, nations don’t have rights. Nations are imaginary political constructs. People have rights, such as to defend themselves, as you say. However, bombing Gaza not only undermines Israel’s sovereignty by inciting an entire new generation of revulsion and hatred, it violates the rights of children not to be blown to bits. None of this is complex. None of it is morally ambiguous.

As for those “Western allies” you mentioned: you don’t have any. The religious boomers are on their way out, and nobody with half a brain or under the age of 40 supports Israel here in the West. They did this to themselves by slaughtering thousands of children utterly pointlessly. I mean what do you expect?

Lastly, religion is a monstrous evil. If you’re religious, please stop. Please.

yeahiknow3 , (edited )

Now I know you didn’t think this response through. A nation isn’t a country? Tut tut.

Read that opening paragraph you quoted. It says nothing about Israel. It is an abstract moral rule. You ask yourself, “am I making a decision that will result in the deaths of more children?” If the answer is yes, you are making the wrong decision.

But let’s not pretend you read books.

yeahiknow3 , (edited )

Voluntary Human Extinction is the best hope yadi yada

The only thing that would happen if Europeans and progressive people around the world stopped having children as this article suggests is that their cultures would disappear and the world would enter a new Dark Age. That’s it. Ridiculous proposal.

yeahiknow3 ,

I think the point is that here we have an actual journalist doing actual journalism… and the DOJ is suing him, specifically for doing nothing wrong.

yeahiknow3 ,

Cats absolutely decimate populations of small fauna. They’re an ecological disaster. Either keep your cat indoors or don’t get one. You are not entitled to own a living creature; it’s a privilege that must be exercised with consideration.

I love cats. I wish I could have more of them, but I can’t for all these reasons.

yeahiknow3 , (edited )

Nobody is denying that cats are wild animals. The point is that they are uniquely capable hunters that can unilaterally exterminate the small fauna in a region.

I mean maybe your cat in particular is lazy and doesn’t hunt, but most cats do. For instance, house-cats kill 3.7 billion birds annually.

yeahiknow3 ,

My cat is old, too, and he mostly doesn’t kill anything when I let him in the backyard. But that is not the norm for most cats, and people need to be aware.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/8e12829b-ca44-4d0d-bd48-7c74314ffb10.jpeg

yeahiknow3 ,

Good. The stock market is a scam and we should get rid of it, mandating that all profit dividends be evenly distributed among the workers instead.

yeahiknow3 ,

Jonathan Haidt is an idiot so I assume the book is bad, but this Nature article you linked is quite possibly even worse.

The amount of misinformation around this serious topic is a reflection of people’s emotional attachment to their silly tech.

yeahiknow3 ,

Ah yes, we need special scientific evidence to figure out if playing outside with friends, fresh air and sunshine is better or worse than watching TikTok 5 hours a day.

Please, let’s do a study on this mystery.

yeahiknow3 , (edited )

If you can’t disambiguate between culture-war fear-mongering and the actual prerequisites for human flourishing, you are as fucked in the head as any lead-addled boomer.

yeahiknow3 , (edited )

I accused you of being unable to identify aspects of human flourishing, and you’ve now replied to confirm that for me.

yeahiknow3 , (edited )

The irony of this comment is just incredible.

For anyone not brain-dead: the scientific evidence that excessive exposure to social media garbage and “doom scrolling” is bad for you and especially bad for children is completely overwhelming. It’s something we’ve known for years. Jonathan Haidt is a douchebag who picks low hanging fruit.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/fcf8ed5b-477f-47b0-8576-9dcf37d743dd.png

Damn, I wonder how that happened in these intervening years to radicalize young men.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/03495c4e-e228-47f8-b825-34a1ce55b4d9.jpeg

Facebook gets politically involved, and in just 8 short years:

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/6d97ce03-afc1-4849-83a9-0197565a7c14.jpeg

Does this mean we can’t have social media? No, it just means the way we are living, the hellscape of online abuse and concrete jungle we’ve created for the next generation is making us vulnerable to manipulation and misery. This isn’t about social media. It’s about the fact that most of you fuckers haven’t touched grass in years. That’s why our democracy is dying.

yeahiknow3 ,

Yeah no hard feelings. It was funny. Or it would have been on a better day.

yeahiknow3 ,

All religious indoctrination of children should be illegal. The concept of a “religious school” is oxymoronic.

yeahiknow3 ,

Using democracy to defend religious indoctrination is like using biology to defend creationism. It is perverse. Democracy is many things, but an automatic defense of cults and child abuse it is not.

yeahiknow3 ,

I want to replace Nvidia executives with AI for $9/hr. Wait, that’s overkill for those morons.

yeahiknow3 ,

Why do I consider it bad that some middlemen have parked themselves between gamers and developers to leech out all the profits while providing nothing in return?

Even ten times your imaginary ”value add” wouldn’t justify a 30% markup.

yeahiknow3 ,

Unless you count… file hosting? Name anything else that could POSSIBLY justify a 30% markup on all games. Go ahead.

yeahiknow3 ,

The incredibly generic feature you just described isn’t worth a 30% markup on all games. But I can see you’re here to provide evidence for the computer illiteracy of gamers, who are apparently so impressed with file sharing that they will defend fucking Steam.

yeahiknow3 ,

Nobody but children uses those “features.” Honestly wtf are you even talking about? Steam messenger, that broken piece of shit?

yeahiknow3 , (edited )

From your very first sentence you make my point. Steam is nothing but access to the customers who use it. That’s it. A digital distributor with a clunky website. It’s useful because it’s popular, NOT because it actually does anything special. If everyone stopped using Steam tomorrow, literally nothing of value would be lost. The same can’t be said for any innovative company on this planet.

yeahiknow3 ,

None of that is worth a 30% premium on games, which stymies creative development and industry growth.

Face it, Steam is a distribution center whose popularity entitles it to extract enormous rents that pose a significant burden on the industry. Greater decentralization will lead to growth. Always has.

I had a Steam controller for a long time. Worst piece of gaming hardware I’ve ever owned — but that’s not the point. Even if it were the best controller it wouldn’t justify a 30% tax on games.

yeahiknow3 ,

That’s an oddly easy question to answer. Are you serious? People are dumb. They use whatever is popular for no other reason than that it’s popular. Steam is one of the best examples of that fact ever.

Apple’s activities should be regulated just like Steam’s for the good of the whole industry. This won’t happen because no one cares about the gaming industry, least of all gamers.

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