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He should just sell his house

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And Arizona would be nowhere near second, as the 14th most populated state.

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True, but if those same people they’re not supposed to be friends with are the ones inviting them to those events/granting them early access…

In other words: the system is rigged.

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What a delightful and helpful attitude.

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They need admin permissions to install, not to launch.

But, you know, so does basically any other application you install.

You may get a second pop-up when it begins installing the anti-cheat, but that depends on how the application is configured.

Ubisoft Connect gives me three (!) separate pop-ups whenever it has an update. (or at least it used to).

^(Edit: typo)

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Butbutbut the free market will regulate itself! Vote with your wallet!

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I don’t know about no regulation, but there are certainly people who seem to be against any more regulation. Despite current regulations being rather inadequate, imo.

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I mean, yeah. Mostly same. New regulations like these are good and I’d wish for them to continue this course. Continuing to observe the market and adding new regulations where new exploits pop up.

But that is not the kind of person I’m referring to.

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Recently I stumbled on Relay, still going strong with a subscription model (because API fees).

That said, I refuse to return to that platform.

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Same IP address(es), same OS/browser/app, same configuration? Easy match.

Fingerprinting. This is a fun website to take a look at: www.amiunique.org/fingerprint

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The Galaxy phone/contacts app literally has Google Duo/Meet/WhateverItsNameIsNow as one of the four main options, for each contact along with call, text, and info.

How can Google not figure this shit out with their endless rebrands and new product launches.

Katie Porter's star dims in failed US Senate bid, leaving the Californian facing an uncertain future (apnews.com)

U.S. Rep. Katie Porter became a social media celebrity by brandishing a white board at congressional hearings to dissect CEOs and break down complex figures into assaults on corporate greed, a signature image that propelled the Democrat’s U.S. Senate candidacy in California....

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It was always obvious that a Democrat was going to win the seat

Just like how it was obvious Trump wasn’t gonna win in 2016?

Making the voice of an opponent louder just because you don’t want to go up against one of your own team is very disappointing. Sure, maybe it worked out this time, but it also means the republicans will have a larger base next election. How often can this game be played?

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The TV manufacturers own the HDMI foundation.

Other devices being “forced” to implement HDMI ports, because every TV has them, might benefit those TV manufacturers.

Not sure how exactly that would work, I assume it gives them some level of control/power.

Pornhub and other adult sites sue EU over landmark digital content law (www.aljazeera.com)

Pornhub and two other adult sites are suing the European Union over a landmark digital content law, the Digital Services Act, which imposes age verification and other obligations on large platforms. The European Commission last year named Pornhub, Xvideos and Stripchat as a category of “very large online platform” under the...

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we can already see trend of parents just not giving a fuck about them and how they use internet/technology in general.

Tech-illiterate parents have been a thing since the dawn of the internet.

Which isn’t a defence of this law, but pretending as if this is a new phenomenon is simply false. Having a kid’s parents surveil everything the kid does isn’t exactly healthy either.

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Cough Warframe cough

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If you say one thing to a single customer, there’s that. But when you make that snarky post on a public forum it has a chance of getting amplified and misunderstood.

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But the transes are after your children!

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Yes! So we should make IVF basically illegal, that way women will have less children!

Wait…

It hurt itself in its confusion

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what makes phones different in that regard?

Corporate greed

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It possibly seeing a legal precedent is the scary part.

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Whaddya mean? Orcas, along with dolphins and sperm whales, belong to the “toothed whales” suborder.

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probably the biggest living thing ever is alive right now.

So they’re technically correct.

Just not in the way they meant to be.

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And not every car requires a ton of lithium, like it would if everyone wants to go both EV + massive range.

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Capitalism bukake

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How so?
I’m out of the loop.

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Thank you

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If your human agents are earning a 0 perhaps they’ve been given too little time, too little training, and too little tools to resolve the customer’s case.

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Not inherently stupid, mind you. Un(der)educated and lied to by those they should be able to trust.

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You can let yourself be heard and you can vote.

Complete apathy is how we assure there definitely won’t be any change.

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Privatize the gains, socialize the losses

Oh wait but it’s wrong when the people get government support, that’s socialism!

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Given how atrocious it is to download drivers from their website…

You’re mostly right but damn, their offerings aren’t pretty.

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That is good knowledge

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TL;DW: June

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There should not be a problem with that. The people who work on training datasets are already being paid.

How are the people whose articles and comments are being scraped compensated?

Because the creation of all that is already paid for

“This perfectly good movie has already been made and paid for, that means I can watch it without compensating the studio.”

I do not agree with Reddit selling the comments of their users. Even so that’s a ridiculous statement to make.

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In order for this to work, the NYT needs to make back the money that they have paid these people, plus some profit for the owners. This has already been achieved for any issue that’s older than a few days. Before the internet, either an issue sold enough or it didn’t. No one cares about yesterday’s news. I doubt the internet changes that very much. That’s what I mean by “it’s already paid for”.

So the moment a property breaks even, + makes “some profit”, you should no longer need to pay for it? Only when people still “care”, in that case they should pay?

Just because it’s a news article or a comment doesn’t mean it’s fair game all of a sudden.

And movies can make back their budget in the opening week(end) when they’re popular. The timeframe is irrelevant for your argument. At least if we’re talking about anything less than a decade or two old, because…

I think it is absolutely ridiculous that corporations can still extract money for something that was made in the 1940ies and even earlier.

… with this I do agree.

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“They aren’t getting away with plagiarism”

  • “There has been some plagiarism”

“Some plagiarism doesn’t count!”

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isn’t a strong argument.

Because “no it’s totally not like that” is?

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That’s exactly what you wrote?

In order for this to work, the NYT needs to make back the money that they have paid these people, plus some profit for the owners. This has already been achieved for any issue that’s older than a few days. Before the internet, either an issue sold enough or it didn’t. No one cares about yesterday’s news. I doubt the internet changes that very much. That’s what I mean by “it’s already paid for”.

Your argument was that the sources that get scraped have already been paid for. I don’t see how it’s any different for newspapers than it is for movies and such. It’s not like news agencies are eternally profitable and never go bankrupt. Nor do I want corporations to profit for free off the comments I wrote, even if I may or may not have signed my soul away in some EULA nobody reads.

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You seem to have misinterpreted my “alignment”, if you will. I do agree my arguments here leaned pretty heavily on the corporate side.

But many of these AI are either run or backed by these same massive corporations. Corporations who staunchly defend their own copyright, yet don’t mind taking from the little guy and breaking their own unfair rules even further.

I am, generally, anti-AI. As may have been apparent. I wish not for my words to be vacuumed up into a black box to be spat back out at me.
Whilst I think some amount of copyright is fair, 80 years is far too many. Putting a cap on how profiting any property can be is an interesting take.

But that’s not part of the conversation. It’s wrong for AI companies to take whatever data they can get their hands on just because it’s out there for human eyes to read. Whether that content has outlived its newsworthy usefulness or not.

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You are making baseless assumptions about me, though it is true I initially didn’t particularly care to read the entirety of your comment.

Ultimately I don’t care for the NYT. What I do care about is the starving artist whose work is being ripped off. I care about web crawlers not respecting any wishes of the creator and consent being forcefully taken.
If they wish not to partake that wish ought to be respected. Better yet, it should be opt-in before your works are allowed to be used.

But the current society isn’t about being fair. They can store your data for advertisement because you surely have nothing to hide and cannot be affected by targeted propaganda. They can use your work for their own means and charge a profit. You get to be happy you’re allowed to exist at all to lick their boots. You will own nothing and be happy.

Cool, you’re fine with your work being used by massive corporations to make their own profits off of your work. Not everyone may agree to that, and an artist should be able to control how their work is appropriated for some time.

I suppose it’s my fault for not being able to voice these awful gut feelings properly. You equate my view of personal liberty with some sort fascist mindset. You are wrong. And you who cares not for their own work does not get to import that view onto others.

Next you’ll call me wrong, saying you do care about your work. Which I’m sure you do, my statement was hyperbolic to some extent. But surely you must understand that your view of some sort of ROI cap does not match that of the corporations taking as they please. OpenAI suddenly stopped being so open when their model became popular.

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I had bing chat spit back at me the question I posted on stack overflow the day before. You know, the example code I provided which didn’t exactly work as I wanted.

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What assumption am I making about you?

Me being some radical right-winger, Mr. or Ms. AI-techbro.

The problem is that you are acting on gut feeling.

Is your “I don’t mind my work being used in someone else’s venture” any less of a gut feeling? I believe not.

You haven’t even thought about where it will actually take you.

More of these baseless assumptions of yours, but going into future ramifications I may or may not have considered isn’t part of this conversation.
You didn’t even respond to my main points and instead latched onto what seems to you to be the weakest part of my argument. Are you reading my replies properly?

Companies taking whatever they please, be it data otherwise, without oversight is problematic. Regardless of how much you personally enjoy being trampled on for the sake of “progress” or not.

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You do not read long posts, remember?

“though it is true I initially didn’t […]”

That said, I read it again, I suppose I have been uncharitable. You make some good points, and perpetual ironclad intellectual property hoarded by massive corporations isn’t something my current views adequately address.
But just because I don’t have an answer to that doesn’t mean I have to agree with AI companies scraping every last corner of the internet for their datasets.

You say you disagree with property owners always receiving compensation for their work being used.
To some extent I agree with your disagreement.

Even so I cannot view AI companies taking the work of whomever they please without compensation as morally justifiable. Especially if those artists are small and have no way to defend themselves.
IP hoarders are a separate issue.

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Small artists would get shafted one way or the other.

And ideally they wouldn’t. Letting AI companies take as they please is one part of that, therefore it should be stopped.

Injustice is such a frustrating thing. But when the opposing party has trillions of dollars and you draw in your free time there’s literally nothing you can do. So much for equality.

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Now riddle me this: Who pays subscriptions for Photoshop?

Ah, my favourite argument.

“Clothing brands are using slavery to produce clothes.”

  • “They ought to be produced sustainably!”

“Who’s going to pay for that?”

Perhaps generative AI models, as they currently exist, are too good to be true.

If they can only afford to pay individual artists pennies, perhaps it is something that shouldn’t be taken. If those artists are happy for their work to contribute to someone else’s MRR scheme then they should be free to submit their work wherever, or tag it with something.

I don’t care what Getty Images gets paid. I don’t know how the licensing works for that platform, but Getty doesn’t make all of its own images and those photographers and artists who contribute ought to be compensated in turn.
If that makes the work infeasible, so be it.

But if that’s a system that gets implemented now then the existing companies would have an insurmountable headstart. Should they be forced to completely wipe their work?

And Getty shouldn’t be making money off pictures from the 1800s. I agree with that too.

And I understand no “value is generated” by paying property owners. I guess you should give your books away to people on the street since the value has already been created by writing them and there’s no more point in selling them.
Not literally, of course. But if individual artists don’t make any money and/or reputation off their already made work they won’t be able to continue “generating new value”, I guess they’ll have to find some office job, or head out to the not-yet-automated mines.

It’s a shit situation which is profiting off a free and open internet. An internet which is slowly closing itself off further and further.

And I think, with all due respect, you’re misguided for being happy to contribute to your own replacement. If you sell your books on Amazon; Amazon is getting flooded with AI generated books, making it even more difficult for yours to stand out in the sea of regurgitated garbage. Maybe you personally have a system for getting around that, not everybody does. Alternatively you don’t rely on the income of your books, but at that point why bother publishing at all? Might as well send them directly to OpenAI or whomever.

Edit: Oh, better yet, because I just ran into it: Getty/Adobe Stock licensing you generated images! I’d laugh if it didn’t make me want to cry.

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Thank you for reading my post, only responding to a single point, and making a strawman of the rest of my argument.

Why do I even bother.

Enjoy replacing yourself.

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