snek

snek OP , 11 months ago

This feels like a humanitarian crisis that will soon become a full genocide.

snek OP , 11 months ago

Even killing every person in Gaza will just bread more extremists. Gazans are not the only Palestinians and they are not the only ones affected by Israeli oppression.

Israel should negotiate with Hamas NOW and stop the siege on Gaza fully.

snek OP , 11 months ago

Did what? Cut water and electricity off 2 million Gazan civilians?

snek OP , 11 months ago

They should take down the walls, negotiate with Hamas, return lands to Gaza, end the blockade and start a very long fucking peace process.

snek OP , 11 months ago

The Palestinians brought this on themselves.

How?

snek OP , 11 months ago

The only way to end the bloodshed would be Hamas offering an unconditional surrender.

And then what happens? Will Palestinians be guaranteed their basic rights? If Palestinians are not given the chance to be full citizens and have self-determination, this will only repeat in another 2-3 years.

snek OP , 11 months ago

Yes, Hamas should absolutely not have killed a single Israeli civilian or any civilian period. But none of your maybes justify more killing of civilians in Gaza.

Even if people in Gaza, who are constantly all their lives between a rock and a hard place with no clean water and no future prospects, voted for Hamas, still it does not justify Israel killing civilians.

snek OP , 11 months ago

You said maybe Palestinians should leave. How would the civilians clear out when Israel has completely put it under siege and will likely shoot anyone leaving?

Also, would that not be a forced exodus of an ethnic group?

snek OP , 11 months ago

Israel crossed that line every single day. Literally every single day for 75 years.

snek OP , 11 months ago

Why do you avoid explaining yourself when people ask?

snek OP , 11 months ago

Sorry what does that mean? Nearly half of the Jordanian population are ethnically Palestinian.

I have seen this argument before. Could you explain what you mean by “them” and what you mean by Jordan not accepting them?

snek OP , 11 months ago

This person seems to think that criticism of Israel makes us Hamas-lovers. Not sure where this shit is coming from.

snek OP , 11 months ago

So if Israel can bomb Gaza for the actions of Hamas, by that logic (which I strongly disagree with), Hamas can also go around bombing Israel because they kill civilians on the fly.

Right?

snek OP , 11 months ago

Actually I just tend to read a lot about these news since I’m Palestinian and honestly your username has become far too familiar, associated strongly with downvotes. That doesn’t prove any of us two are right or wrong btw, just saying that you comment a lot and I tend to see you often on the same posts. Also I think I’m OP here so in a way you are stalking me?

So anyway, why so you avoid answering when people ask you to explain what you mean? It pays to be clear in online discussions.

snek OP , 11 months ago

Thank you for writing this.

I have said as much many times but because I dont add ‘kill all the jews’, this is where the downvotes come,

Hmmmm, not sure how our instances differ, but honestly I don’t see why anyone would upvote something like ‘kill all the jews’. I haven’t seen this on lemmy at all. Seems to me like it’s quite the opposite actually. I think a lot of the pushback you are getting is not because of that.

Third, tankie, is a derrogatory term for someone who is a bit of an armchair leninist, plenty around here.

Thanks. This is not what I think about when I hear ‘tankie’. Your definition differs from that of many on the internet

From memory you also asked about ‘Cooker’ yesterday. In australia, we refer to antivax, conspiracy nuts as ‘cookers’ (meaning their brain is cooked). Think of them like MAGA people in america if that helps. Thanks for explaining. I went to the urban dictionary when you said this word twice, and the definitions were too many to be able to pinpoint which one you meant. Please keep in mind that not everyone understands Australian-specific words. That’s why I asked.

Have a good night/day Hope you get some rest, the news can be overwhelming at times.

snek OP , 11 months ago

Not even that justifies it /:

snek OP , 11 months ago

There is no open border… not sure where you are getting this from.

snek , 11 months ago

I am writing this not to undermine any witness testimonies. Yes, it’s extremely likely that women and men were raped in this situation. This is something we know happens in war, no point denying it.

I just want to point out that this particular site that this article is from is a right wing pro-Israeli nationalist site that also dabbles in conspiracy theories.

You can check the rating here: mediabiasfactcheck.com/tablet-magazine/

Seems to mostly publish factual information, but it is good to know what the source is and what to look out for.

They are the only ones with any story about this now. I for one would rather wait until the investigation is done and we can understand what happened in that massacre. That being said, rape is a likely outcome.

snek , 11 months ago

I never signed up for Lemmygrad nor do I seem to agree with their opinions. So why should I go there? Because I’m saying that not all Palestinians support Hamas? Like dude, I’m a Palestinian and I don’t support Hamas. What do you want me to do in Lemmygrad?

snek , 11 months ago (edited 11 months ago)

Sounds to me more like I’m one of those 47%

But no, let’s take Brexit numbers and make them black or white.

All I said was that not all Palestinians support Hamas. This is factually correct. It is not something you can dispute.

Do you even read the things you post to me? Look at this

Head pollster Khalil Shikaki, who has been surveying Palestinian public opinion for more than two decades, called it a “dramatic” shift, but said it also resembles previous swings toward Hamas during times of confrontation. Those all dissipated within three to six months as Hamas failed to deliver on promises of change.

You are making big sweeping statements from an article that contradicts the polarity you are trying to display.

If you really are Palestinian, you are not well informed.

Edit: I just want to add, what a shitty tactic. “If you are really Palestinian”… yes, I’m really Palestinian. I’m registered at the UN as a Palestinian refugee with the right of return. I’m a fucking diaspora. There is no need to deny people their own heritage or identity because of a petty online argument. I’ve lived my early life in Jordan, surrounded by Palestinian and Jordanian families. I have Palestinian friends. I’m very well aware of Palestinians who support Hamas, and aware that it’s not even close to everyone. I’m not stupid enough to generalize and run with it.

snek , 11 months ago

Hamas = Bad does not mean Israel can kill Palestinians. It all ends there.

snek , 11 months ago

Until then don’t claim that Palestinians don’t support Hamas.

Come on, this is a generalization. It doesn’t take two people to see this is a blanket statement. Do you agree it’s a blanket statement?

Do we think that every individual in Palestine supports them? No. Do we think Palestinians in general support them? Yes.

If this is what you are trying to say, then you are both (1) bad at expressing it, and (2) incorrect.

(1) if this was your point form the start, why not say this instead of a blanket statement? and (2) where is the “in general” in a survey with an almost perfect split in the middle and with support for Hamas changing every year, increasing during times of conflict and trauma, and decreasing during times when Hamas is shit at managing Gaza as a residential area?

To reiterate:

Do we think Palestinians in general support them?

No. That would be bad math and almost intentionally misreading the situation to polarize it.

Cool, revolution when?

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Edit: I just want to comment on this part

Cool, revolution when?

So you’ve set a personally high bar for Palestinians, this is not a situation that is reasonable or would happen easily or would help us make any conclusion. This is like saying, “Israel in general supports Netanyahu because no one has started a revolution yet.”

Now it starts to sound stupid, you see.

snek , 11 months ago

I have seen this on several posts. I am yet to see those tones of people. All the stuff people linked to so far shows nothing but normal discussions. So excuse my sceptisim… Where is that tonne?

snek , 11 months ago

Posts seems gone.

snek , 11 months ago

Wow, this is so edgy.

Yes let me just fight Israel by becoming like Israel. That’ll fix it!

snek , 11 months ago

It was ruled by those. The lands were still owned by Palestinians. The farm lands my mother’s family owned were given to them by the Ottomans very long ago to cultivate. Trey had since settled there and started a small town. In 1947/48 they were driven out at gunpoint. They had rifles and fought with them but not much beyond that. The entire family fled to Jordan, Syria, Kuwait, and some other places. I did a 23andMe test long ago, my mother’s side is almost entirely Levantian, they are from that area and have been in that area since ages, never took anyone’s lands, never hurt anyone. That’s your average Palestinian family basically.

snek , 11 months ago

What does cooker mean?

snek , 11 months ago

Why just not shoot them, go home, regroup, work on super surgical drone attacks?

snek , 11 months ago

Hamas being equated with the entirety of the Palestinian people and diaspora is what pisses me off the most. Israel tries to equate them all together so it can commit genocide without any eye-batting.

snek , 11 months ago

The worst part of this graph is that it only goes back to 2008.

snek , 11 months ago

Hmmm, there is more documented evidence of Israel using human shields (and having to make it “illegal” to keep using Palestinians as human shields but it still happens and many get away with it).

snek , 11 months ago

Sorry, I read your post over and over and brought my partner over to read it and we aren’t sure we understand what you’re saying. No, this isn’t what I’m saying at all /:

Yes let me just fight Israel by becoming like Israel.

I meant, that Israel kills civilians. When we have a militant group Hamas killing civilians, they are being like Israel in that they exhibit this internationally-recognized-as-a-war-crime behaviour. I don’t think Hamas needed to kill those people partying at that music festival, I don’t think it was tactical, I don’t think it was necessary, I don’t think it drove the cause forward in any way, I actually think it’s an atrocity. That being said, Hamas killing civilians never excuses Israel doing its apartheid and genocide.

Sorry if my position wasn’t unclear.

snek , 11 months ago (edited 11 months ago)

Yeah, and the Jews were driven out by the people who stole the land from them, which eventually ended up in the hands of the Ottomans

Excuse me, but what year was this? At how many thousand years ago do we draw the line for things relevant today?

EDIT: For reference, we are talking about 3,700 years ago.

snek , 11 months ago

No, it’s not frim Hamas propaganda videos. It’s every human rights organization.

Here is a full history of how they had to outlaw it: www.btselem.org/human_shields

It was part of Israel law. Totally legal.

snek , 11 months ago

What is a rational, reasonable, non-inflammatory way to handle such a story, in your opinion?

snek , 11 months ago

I could easily say:

Israel is evil and anyone on here supporting them is complicit in supporting evil.

snek , 11 months ago

The majority of palestinians are assholes.

Yeah, that’s totally unbiased and sensical. /s

snek , 11 months ago

I don’t think any Jewish person willing to live peacefully should be made to leave Palestine (if it ever gets “liberated”). They also built a home and became part of the area, many without any fault of their own. Imagine just being born there into this mess. This has been going on for 75 years, people have lived and died already. It would be wrong again to de-home people. This has been the issue from the start. There is enough infrastructure in current-day Israel to be enough for everyone to live and prosper with dignity.

There has to be a solution that works for everyone, with the smallest number of casualties. It might take decades, but what’s another couple of decades compared to 75 years of Israeli oppression?

That being said, settlers should give the homes they stole back immediately.

snek , 11 months ago

People say that sometimes, but I think it’s a good question. What would be your answer?

snek , 11 months ago

you help the other side deal with the damage.

How do you mean?

snek , 11 months ago

A noteworthy survey from the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research (PCPSR) unveiled that 58% in Gaza and 42% in the West Bank favor Hamas. Intriguingly, younger Palestinians and Gaza residents displayed stronger support, especially those viewing Hamas as Palestine’s ideal representative and resistor against Israel.

Those are the stats from 2021. Yes, so what about the other 50%? Do you think there is a bit more complication going into supporting Hamas? Or does that conclusion lead you to “they are assholes”? My question is, how? Walk me through your reasoning.

snek , 11 months ago

I’m wondering if you’d read this: btselem.org/…/2021413_new_all_population_israeli_…

What do you think of these? I think it’s a much better analysis of public opinion among Jewish and Palestinian residents.

snek , 11 months ago

Yes, I’m sure that they have reasons to be assholes,

Is apartheid a good enough reason, in your opinion?

Also, what would your reaction be if I said something like The majority of Jewish people are assholes? And then to prove it, what if I just linked to this survey from B’Tselem that states:

An interesting finding shows only tepid support for the Nation State Basic Law that establishes Jewish supremacy as a constitutional principle, a law that was enacted with broad political support from most of the Zionist parties:

• Over one third of all Israelis support repealing the Nation State law (36% of all Israelis, and 29% of Jews).
• Only 46% of Israelis (53% of Jews) support keeping the law as is (the remainder take no position).

These numbers show that only one-third of Jewish people residing in Israel or in the occupied territories believe that this Jewish supremacy law should be removed.

So at this point, is it useful in any way or even descriptive of the situation at hand to say The majority of Jewish people are assholes? Is it acceptable? Is it racist?

I think there is a lot of misuse of statistics being done here. No single survey can show us the truth accurately, but surveys and statistics can only bring us closer to understanding the big picture.

Saying things like *The majority of Palestinians are assholes" makes you come off as a one-dimensional character with cartoon reasoning.

snek , 11 months ago

At least you’re consistent, I give you that.

snek , 11 months ago

That was not my intention. It was to show that blanket statements are cheap and easy to make.

snek , 11 months ago

Yeah, I agree it’s not entirely a theocracy. It’s actually more driven by supremacy with Zionism (which is a political religious ideology just like Islamism or Hindu Extremism, etc).

vox.com/…/israel-jewish-nation-state-law-bill-exp…