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It’s almost like America is starting a trade war or something.

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Love to spend my entire paycheck to keep up with inflation, saving nothing for the future.

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He’s gotta find someone to blame when the next recession starts.

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More than a fifth of Chinese age 16 to 24 are out of work.

Does that include people in school?

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I don’t see them going, because the US is against peace negotiations lol

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The same way anyone starts negotiating with anyone: open a dialogue and exchange demands, and then work to make concessions and compromises. They won’t do that, though, because then the infinite money spigot from the US will shut off because America doesn’t want this war to ever end.

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For the sake of peace, yes, I think they should be willing to make concessions. That’s how negotiations work.

If you refuse to offer anything you aren’t really negotiating. You’re just issuing demands with no exchange.

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They’d each have their own demands, and then negotiations would be finding a middle ground between “Ukraine gets everything it wants” and “Russia gets everything it wants”

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Ridiculous.

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If the alternative was that they would rape, kill, and kidnap my people for the next 20 years without end?

I’m not willing to fight this war to the last Ukrainian.

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NATO broke the 1997 pact when it bombed Yugoslavia in 1999, in violation of the UN Charter.

In 2014 Ukraine’s legitimate government was overthrown by the Euromaidan coup.

Before you screech your revisionist history at me, answer this: are you willing to fight this war until no one is left?

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Whose money are they sending over?

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It is possible to include certain guarantees within a treaty to make it painful for either side to break it, or to make breaking it extremely difficult. That’s what Ukraine would have to demand from Russia - some kind of leverage or collateral to guarantee the peace holds.

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Because otherwise the war never ends.

Are you willing to fight to the last Ukrainian?

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I dunno, do you have nuclear weapons that could cause the apocalypse?

Countries aren’t people. The scale the work on is much greater.

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Don’t hold your breath.

queermunist ,
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Bullies also don’t have nuclear weapons.

Stop comparing people to countries. The scale makes it so absurd, because nuclear weapons could end the god damn world.

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It took 20 fucking years for American invaders to give up on Iraq.

What if it takes that long for Russia to give up?

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Support isn’t a substitute for infrastructure and training and institutional capacity, and those take years to build up. All we’re doing is throwing money and ammo and tanks on a bonfire.

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Literally yes.

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You were using an analogy where a bully threatens to beat you up and take your money.

That’s nothing like the current situation. The current situation is a nuclear armed nation is willing to wage an endless war and we’re throwing money and bombs and tanks at the problem trying to make it go away. You’re comparing small scale things to nuclear scale things and it’s really just absurd.

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Well that too, it’s why America is supporting Ukraine. They want Russia to bleed itself to death.

It doesn’t seem like it’s happening. It’s just an endless burning pit for everyone’s money.

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They were bound to Ukraine’s defense before it had a coup lol

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“Popular uprisings”

i.e. western backed color revolution

Ukraine isn’t allowed to make that call. If they do, America will stop supporting them.

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I’m pretty sure Russia wants the majority Russian-speaking portions of Ukraine.

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No, trust is for fools. They need some kind of mutually assured destruction so that neither side can ever betray the peace treaty.

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In another analogy Russia is nothing more than a bully.

Well what’s that then!?

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Do you actually still think Russia is a 100% rational actor?

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The mass protests were legitimate (though fueled by Western media to some extent), but the government buckling was absolutely not. There was a lot more going on then just “people protest -> government collapses” lol

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You can’t just increase the scale and expect things to stay the same!

If those nukes are ever touched it’s the end of the fucking world.

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The US’s coalition was supporting the Iraqi government against insurgents until 2021

We could expect the same in Ukraine, a constant low level war that drags on and on for years after it’s “over”

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Viktor Yanukovych, the legitimately elected president who had not resigned and had not been impeached, was unconstitutionally removed from power before that because he was forced to flee the country and parliament saw an opportunity to make a lot of money cozy up to the EU with a trade pact. Those elections had no constitutional basis, but we don’t care about that because Russia bad.

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Let him think he won.

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They removed him illegally! They didn’t impeach him because he didn’t actually commit an impeachable offense, they just voted to get rid of him. It was an unconstitutional move that had the fullthroated support and backing of the EU and NATO, hence, a Western-backed coup. Russia saw a Western backed coup on its boarder and saw its geopolitical rivals getting ready to plant their flag right against its border, so it reacted in an extreme and unjustified (though understandable) way. Russia was provoked into overextending itself and now the US/NATO strategy is to bleed Russia dry by forcing them to spend all of their resources on this war while hitting them with sanctions.

Except that isn’t happening, and now the war could last for years. Decades. Maybe forever, and it’ll be like the Korean War with a demilitarized zone but no peace agreement.

How many Ukrainians are you willing to sacrifice to defeat Russia?

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I hear Putin eats small children and doesn’t believe in washing his hands!

I love making things up. It’s so fun!

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If they want to surrender, they can. Sending them guns and ammo doesn’t stop them from doing that.

  1. Peace negotiations aren’t “surrender”
  2. If they try to move towards peace they risk losing America’s support, which would turn peace negotiations into a surrender
  3. I prefer peace negotiations over war. That’s all. It’s not about what Russia “gets” to do, it’s about saving lives.
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Oh I’d probably be dead or worse.

That doesn’t make endless war a good thing.

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It’s not irrelevant - he was illegally removed from power, meaning it was literally a coup. Then, after he was removed, the people against the coup government refused to participate in the elections. Democracy collapsed after Euromaidan

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Okay you bloodthirsty maniac, and what happens when they retaliate with nuclear weapons?

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I don’t expect Ukraine to really have a lot of faith in any negotiation in which they don’t hold an extremely strong hand.

They already have a strong hand because of international support, but international support could end if Ukraine tries to negotiate peace without demanding total surrender. It’s a Catch-22 that Ukraine has been forced into by the West, because they are not allowed to negotiate for peace. They are only allowed to “win”, and that isn’t going to happen either.

So the war will never end. Either it ends up like the Korean War or the War on Terror - endless war forever.

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If that were true, do you think America and its allies could resist total war? They’d just bomb the whole country to ashes.

“By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.”

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There’s a gulf of difference between standing up to America (or Russia) vs going to war with them. Duh?

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