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ronsboy67 , to bookstodon
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Well THAAAANK YOU for 'ruining' a whole page of this book A lengthy passage about a Scottish Highland character's interactions with "the Little People" ends with this question and OF COURSE I read the whole thing mentally substituting "Wee Free" for "Little" - Every.Single.Time 🤣 @bookstodon

pgcd ,
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@ronsboy67 @bookstodon *"for 'fixing' a whole page of this book"

FTFY

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@linguistics while (re)reading Pratchett I have developed the strong feeling that when one of the characters says "our Nellie" or "our Jason", the effect is similar to Northern Italian "la Agnese" o "il Gianni" - that is, a colloquialism when referring to a common acquaintance, not necessarily a family member.
Can somebody who speaks both confirm or deny this?

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@pneumaculturist @linguistics crivens!

pgcd OP ,
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@pneumaculturist @linguistics definitely a flavour thing (the character I'm mostly thinking of would be Nanny Ogg, a country witch).

As for the common "family member" usage, which also @anathema_device confirmed, that's what I assumed initially but I'm really pretty sure there are cases where (contextually) "our" person doesn't seem to be a family member but, rather, a close friend or something like that.
Am I really completely wrong and that is never the case?

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@pneumaculturist @linguistics @anathema_device
For instance, I think (I might be mis-remembering) the "our XYZ" idiom is sometimes used in Brassic by the protagonist, in which case it would most definitely not be a family member...

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@pneumaculturist @linguistics @anathema_device yes, the latter would track with Brassic (if it's even used there and I'm not imagining things), which would make it a different use from the Italian article and (at least as far as I understand it) the German one.
Pity, I hoped I could read Nanny Ogg in Milanese =D

pgcd OP ,
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@pneumaculturist @linguistics @anathema_device that is the case with standard Italian - eg "il Boccaccio" or "il Petrarca" are commonly used (if somewhat antiquated).
The Northern variant is closer to "this person we both are friends with" - eg I'd talk about the host in my old favorite pub in Milan as "il Beppe" so that everybody would correctly understand I meant that specific Beppe and not a different one.

pgcd OP ,
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@toxy @pneumaculturist @linguistics I didn't know about that A-M origin story but it makes a lot more sense to me than the mostly random ones I rememember from the Annotated Pratchett File!

pgcd OP ,
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@alischinsky @pneumaculturist @linguistics @anathema_device is it used in Spanish like in N. Italian (ie. common aquaintance) or for family members only?

pgcd OP ,
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@linguistics https://english.stackexchange.com/a/119409

According to the OED entry cited in this answer, my gut feeling was correct (ie. "Our" can be used for acquaintances), but I can't access the OED so it might all be a figment of my imagination

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@pneumaculturist @alischinsky @eleder @linguistics @anathema_device yes, the "disambiguation" would be my guess as well - at least, that's how it sounds to my ears in Italian.
Funnily enough, the IT version has three variants: no article in the South, article in some parts of the North and article only for women's names somewhere else.
So perhaps it's even more complex than I thought =D

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