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Best current hardware solution for selfhosting?

I use my desktop PC for Jellyfin and torrenting, but I’m looking for something that I can keep on 24/7 that draws less power and run other self-hosted services on Linux. I would like to have at least 2x 14 TB 3.5" hard drives in or attached to it with the possibility of expanding in the future....

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  • Mini PC if you want small hardware that can be bought for cheap second hand, my recommendation goes for HP;
  • ARM SBC if you’re crazy about power consumption and you don’t care about having potentially unstable systems and/or spend the same as a second hand mini pc in extras like a case, power supply, adapter for this and for that;
  • DIY build with a micro-ATX or micro-ATX board if you’ve the space for it. You can a very powerful machine for less than. Check one of mine here lemmy.world/comment/2676457 ( i5-7400 + 8GB RAM + Board for 70€ second hand)

To be totally direct, SBCs are cool but are a waste of money. You won’t able to get anything with a decent CPU for less than 120€ considering all the accessories they require and at that price range you can get HP or Dell mini PC’s (i5 6th generation) that are WAY more stable and powerful with everything out of the box. Those machines can be found with mobile CPUs so they won’t waste power.

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So… your suggestion is turning lemmy into an authoritarian regime that censors whatever you or someone might consider “enraging”. lemmy.world did that with piracy instances… lol. You’re proposing openly banning options/speech that doesn’t conform to your view of the world? Like China, Russia, NK and others do? What’s the point of an alternative to reddit if you turn it into a system that has the same restrictions and centralized control?

Look I’m not saying I agree with the “political” views of that people you mentioned, what I’m saying is that you can’t just censor stuff because it “enrages” you. That would be… turning lemmy into a “safe space” ahaha 😂 😂 😂 😂

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What never ceases to amaze me is how the same arguments that the “antivaxxers, anti-worker propaganda, climate change and fucking antisemitism” use can be applied to all sides and opinions on those subjects ahah

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Who’s he to decide what fits and what doesn’t fit? What if someone else decides his posts doesn’t fit here? Who’s right then?

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I kind of hoped that my reply made it obvious…

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So… back to the authoritarian regime style of dealing with issues.

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Ahaha that’s fair :)

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The way I see it, the OP is the one crying about his views being oppressed by opposite views… Why do people go for that, why can’t he simply scroll over the posts that offend him? or comment instead of getting all triggered ?

Why do people still recommend Thinkpads for Linux when there are Linux-oriented manufacturers now?

I’ve noticed in the Linux community whenever someone asks for a recommendation on a laptop that runs Linux the answer is always “Get a Thinkpad” yet Lenovo doesn’t seem to be a big Linux contributor or ally. There’s also at least six Linux/FOSS-oriented computer manufacturers now:...

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Why do people recommend Lenovo computers that are poor quality and fail often instead HP EliteBooks that are rock solid and well designed?

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Then you should avoid all brands in general because they misbehave in some aspect.

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Why does Linux run so well everywhere?

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My least favorite thing about Flatpak is that you can’t have KeepassXC and Ungoogled Chromium (both as flatpaks) communication with each other.

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Have you notice that lately if you’re the history feature disabled it will refuse to show suggested videos? In the past you would still get suggested videos even with the view history disabled.

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Yes, makes me remember when they wouldn’t allow you to save locations on the map without logging in.

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Yes but they did it in the past. So… they actually always knew / recorded your history.

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One more version trying to rethink what was long figured out by others :D

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For a keyboard and mouse yes.

The ultimate desktop would be something like: KDE’s usability in terms of a bottom bar, notification area and menu (or ArcMenu and Dash to Panel under GNOME) + the design consistency of GNOME + optional desktop icons + window switching like Apple’s old Exposé or the current Windows Task View (Win+Tab).

Windows got one thing (almost) right, fast and snappy multitasking and that’s about it. GNOME adds long animations and takes the focus from the applications to itself - it become the “center of user’s attention”. This isn’t good, a DE should be almost invisible, as minimalistic as it can be so the user can quickly switch between windows and get their job done specially on smaller screens. I guess most people run/enjoy GNOME never touched Apple’s old Exposé (macos Tiger and before?) or the current Windows Task View (Win+Tab) thus aren’t aware how far and how productive they can be on a very small screen with a simple way to move around.

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@Bogasse and @Gutless2615 just to make my position clear, I hate KDE and all it’s design inconsistency but they actually got a better bottom bar / notifications area. GNOME designs things well but they kinda kill it all with their backwards approach and total refusal to have basic desktop functionality.

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The problem with plugins is what we can see with desktop icon extensions nowadays. GNOME removed their native desktop icons some time ago and all the subsequent extensions that popped up to get that functionality simply aren’t are good - you can’t drag and drop to some other places, there are weird things happening when you move icons and/or the selection box doesn’t make sense.

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Yes 😀 But at least they don’t outright refuse to have basic desktop functionality. GNOME has good UI while KDE has good UX.

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How much wifi and open-source do you really want?

If you are willing to go with commercial hardware + open source firmware (OpenWRT) you might want to check the table of hardware of OpenWrt at openwrt.org/toh/…/toh_available_16128_ax-wifi and openwrt.org/toh/views/toh_available_864_ac-wifi. One solid pick for the future might be the Netgear WAX2* line. One of those models is now fully supported the others are on the way. If you don’t mind having older wifi a Netgear R7800 is solid.

If you want full open-source hardware and software you need a more exotic brand like this www.banana-pi.org/en/bananapi-router/.

Both solutions will lead to OpenWRT when it comes to software, it is better than any commercial firmware but there’s a catch about open-source wifi. The best performing wifi chips are Broadcom and those don’t usually see open-source software support**. MediaTek is the open-source alternative and while they work fine they can’t, unfortunately, beat Broadcom. As most hardware is Broadcom they have hacks that go behind the published wifi standards and get it go a few megabytes/second faster and/or improve the range a bit.

** DD-WRT is another “open-source” firmware that has a specific agreement with Broadcom to allow them to use their proprietary drivers and distribute them as blob with their firmware. While it works don’t expect compatibility with newer hardware nor a bug free solution like OpenWRT is.

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Furthermore depending on your ISP you might be able to simply add a small ARM box attached to it and use ir for DHCP, VPN, DNS resolver etc. and you could still use the ISP router as gateway / firewall / switch / wifi.

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If you’re using LXC and your filesystem is BTRFS you can use the built in snapshots.

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With BTRFS you can take a snapshot, upgrade and if things go wrong rollback to the snapshot. Snapshot are incremental so you won’t have issues with your data.

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Sound a lot like too much Docker :D

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Why so much? A simple daily timer that runs mysqlcheck + mysqldump + a backup of that would be enough for most people. Using a solid OS (Debian) and a filesystem such as BTRFS, ZFS or XFS will also save you from power loss related corruption. Why do people go SO overkill with everything?

Keep it simple, less services, less processes, less overhead, pick well written software and script the rest. Everything works out way better if you don’t overcomplicate things.

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What about instead of bitching at Debian’s website they don’t bitch about how useless is the Gnome desktop without icons and the activities view / lack of a proper dock/menu? You know real issues in Linux usability :D

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Its not about being lost, its about their tendency to simply say that computing is broken like they’re doing here blogs.gnome.org/…/rethinking-window-management and I commented here lemmy.world/comment/2064948 . It is also about the fact that I did a very lengthy and well researched comment at their blog showing how some of their assumptions were wrong and they just deleted it.

The Linux experice

About a week ago I setup Ubuntu as my primary OS on an old machine. It is my first time trying a unix based OS (previously windows). It has been ok, but it seems like every time I try to install something I run into problems. The app has the wrong permissions or I don’t have the right packages or I need to change port settings...

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That’s what I use with Debian. Rock solid OS, latest Apps without polluting it with Flatpak.

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Yes but unlike Ubuntu, Debian is true open-source, true freedom and rock solid stability for a base system. We can just use it as a base system and add whatever app via Flatpak.

Going to use Arch on a VM, which should I use?

I want to get into Arch Linux, but I don’t have that much experience and I feel like it’ll be easier to set it up in a virtual machine rathen than dual booting, I’ve used Oracle VirtualBox before but it’s very laggy. Are there any other VMs that aren’t as laggy, or do I just have a hardware issue?

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You should use Debian.

Why should I primary Linux for Home Desktop and which one do you recommend?

I’ve always used Windows and am super comfortable with it. I have set up a dual boot with fedora but don’t use it because I have never identified a need to use it. I see a lot of windows hate, so what does Linux have that I need? What can motivate me to migrate? What is a good Linux to have for a desktop + steam?

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Yes, that with flatpak you get the best linux experience.

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Yeah an HP Elite Desk Mini or HP Pro Desk Mini would be great.

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Ahaha welcome to the power of systemd.

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Sir, you’ve a fair point 😝

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It does everything you might think of and much more tadeubento.com/…/systemd-hidden-gems-for-a-better…

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If you’re using /etc/network/interfaces.d/ and all the NetworkManager related crap you’re doing it wrong. garajau.com.br/2022/01/configure-networkd-debiantadeubento.com/…/systemd-hidden-gems-for-a-better…

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systemd-kerneld.

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Yes, a few examples of advantages here: lemmy.world/post/3197228

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Yeah BTRFS is way more reliable than Ext4. A simple power failure or other hardware fuckup with Ext4 and you can be sure all your data is gone, with BTRFS your data will survive a lot of shit.

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I can’t share your enthusiasm about Ext4’s safety. I’ve had multiple disks lost to simple power failures at home and more complex hardware failures at datacenters. At the time I migrated to XFS - which also always performed better than Ext4 when things failed - and then moved to BTRFS when become mostly stable.

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Yes it is :) but comparatively I’ve never lost a volume / disk to BTRFS in years of the same scenarios.

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HP Elitebook 840 G5 here, doubled battery time after switching from Windows 10 to Debian 12.

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“real” NAS (Synology, qnas, etc.)

Any modern SBC is better than that crap.

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This is like Apple not allowing you to have root access to your device. Today we’ve computers in our pockets that are more powerful than laptops from 10 years ago yet we can’t use them because they’re locked down. :(

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Oh, you seem to be looking for Debian. www.debian.org

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Things appearing suddenly on screen is more distracting than 200ms animations

No, it is not.

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