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NewDark ,

You should be mad at billionaires and landlords, not other working people.

NewDark ,

They’re both part of the owning class. The only difference is degrees

NewDark ,

Someone’s got a carbon monoxide leak.

NewDark ,

Fascism is truly a death cult

NewDark ,

It’s almost like the bank wasn’t designed with you in mind, peasant.

NewDark ,

Absolute demon shit.

NewDark ,

I love her

NewDark ,

Fascism requires an out group. Don’t you worry, they’ll make a new one if they are successful with their genocide.

In the Hamas/Israel war, why does Palestine have "hostages" but Israel has "prisoners"?

This occurred to me while listening to the news. When they exchange people it’s always hostages for people held in Palestine and prisoners for people held in Israel. Why is that? Is it just perception or is there a practical difference?...

NewDark ,

Many Palestinian prisoners aren’t charged with crimes and have “secret evidence” held against them. Given Israel’s track record of lying and colonialist activity, I’ll leave you to decide if they actually do have that evidence. aljazeera.com/…/more-than-600-palestinians-held-b…

On top of that, the vast majority of the actual crimes are incredibly minor like rock throwing, and it doesn’t matter if you’re a child. The conditions and treatment in Israel prisons for Palestinians is incredibly grim as well.

There’s a thin vaneer of an unjust legal framework, and the aims of Israel aren’t as explicit to hold them for trade, but they’re a whole lot closer to being hostages than most people care to admit.

NewDark ,

Palestinians would love to be recognized as a state. Why aren’t they?

NewDark ,

Why not? They’re a great source unless they’re reporting on something related to Qatar’s own government / interests.

NewDark ,

Recognized as a non-member observer state, and the countries actively oppressing them currently do not.

The same ones that hand-wring endlessly about a “two state solution”.

NewDark ,

The hostage deal was negotiated by Qatar, the Hamas leadership is living in luxury in Qatar

You’re spelling out how they’re acting like a neutral party here.

Qatar is seeking to gain more influence in the future of Gaza.

It’s a destitute open air prison. Come on now.

Is this really the right moment to blindly trust the Qatar state owned news source with its reporting about a Qatar negotiated deal related to a conflict that Qatar has a vested interest in?

I don’t blindly trust their reporting. It was one search result. Most of the details on Israeli actions and policy come straight from Israeli sources like B’Tselem.

Is it not true? You could tell me that with something backing it instead of complaining about a reputable source.

NewDark ,

They act as a mediator for Israel to fund Hamas.

Not saying they’ve never given any of their own money to the governing body of a destitute open air prison, but that wouldn’t be unique to them.

NewDark ,

Please tell me you think it’s justified to hold a child in prison for years for throwing a rock at a tank. Oh, or maybe they illegally walked on the wrong side of the road in the west bank. I really want to hear this.

NewDark ,

Social media, not western news agencies. The news is highly biased toward Israel even if the people generally aren’t falling for it.

NewDark ,

If they aren’t occupiers…

Why doesn’t Gaza have an airport? (it was destroyed in 2002 and not allowed to rebuild)

What happens when Gazan’s go too far off the coast? (they get shot)

What happens when they go past the border wall? (they get shot)

But sure, maybe you like the term “under seige” better? Is that more accurate for you?

NewDark ,

I want to imagine the real world would freak the fuck out the way some objects in a game engine do when you mash them together.

NewDark ,

You’re aware of the existence of lying, right?

NewDark ,

Those children really had it coming for being at a hospital. Thankfully the IOF never lies and is always the good guys when they murder children. It’s just their culture to see Hamas everywhere like a scary boogeyman that justifies all war crimes.

https://lemmings.world/pictrs/image/197aeb30-cd70-40cb-be88-3c0a25d70431.jpeg

NewDark ,

The same folks operating an apartheid and open air prison? The same ones that did the Nakba?

Yes, absolutely. The Israelis are mega racist

NewDark ,

Thanks for showing your racist ass

NewDark ,

How dare they contain the belligerent monoethnic nation that’s actively trying to genocide them.

They just want to return to their homes they were violently expelled from. Yes, it would be within their rights to use violence to expel the literal theives from their homes.

What jerks, must be racism, or apartheid, or some other shocking term you want to call their self defense.

These terms are true. It is a shocking situation, especially Gaza. Israel bombed their airport, won’t let them go too far off the coast, walled them off, control everything about what goes into Gaza (hell, they couldn’t get pasta at one point), 97% of the water they get isn’t potable. The food they do receive is calorie tracked and once described by Israel as “putting the Palestinians on a diet”. They can’t get concrete to rebuild shit Israel blows up regularly. That shit is fucking bleak.

but rather it’s about safety like they have always claimed it is.

It is, the oppressor is trying to keep the land they stole from the oppressed. It also hasnt stopped, and it’s obvious that it’s a continuous project. The ones who are there now know they’re on borrowed time and many will resist.

NewDark ,

Here. While this information is available in all kinds of places, here’s a good video essay for a look into what’s happening in Israel / Palestine.

youtu.be/jBHAitSKtVs?si=eTe_7ZjgddQAKv2k

You may be uncomfortable grappling with the reality of it, and that’s alright.

NewDark ,

Characterizing Gaza as occupied even after withdrawal, and suggesting that therefore Israel should keep providing them with supply lines even as Hamas attacks and tries to genocide them. (Absurd.)

It’s blockaded, and you know this. That’s occupied. You’re intentionally muddying the waters. Your categorizing of them being “national belligerents” is both infanitlizing and completely misses why they might be that way. It’s for, like, real reasons, like an unjust occupation and explusion.

Palestinians within Israel with full rights only exist to provide cover for apartheid.

The video explicitly talks about the people in Israel proper for the majority of it, the home demolitions and unequal treatment. You’re just wrong here.

Gaza/West Bank cannot vote in Israeli elections. (They should let the people trying to kill them and outnumber them elect their leaders? K.)

Sounds like you’re just saying “Great Replacement” demographics shit but with the local Arab population, fearing a demographic majority that might act in the same cruel ways back. A myth by the way.

Demonstrations in Palestinian territories are illegal. (That’s because they historically kill a lot of people.)

“The only democracy in the middle east” lmao. Straight fascist apologia.

Water rights from Oslo agreement. (Well, they agreed to it!)

How much choice did they have really? And the video even states they get less than the agreement (and it’s contaminated).

Restrictions on Palestinian movements. Forcible separation via roads, checkpoints, walls… (Palestine is still a belligerent nation)

I WONDER WHY

Alright man, it’s clear you either aren’t arguing in good faith, are a paid shill, are a fascist, have brain worms, or some combination of all four. It’s obvious you can’t be helped at this point.

NewDark ,

The fact this meme implies anything resembling an equal conflict is a pretty bad framing, despite a decent overall sentiment.

NewDark ,

Google the history of the Nakba.

And don’t act like “Lil bean Israel was just minding it’s own business when all the savage Arabs attacked and they just had to steal more land”. It’s ahistorical at best and fucking racist at worst.

NewDark ,

Look, they’re terror rock attacks.

The UN guy made sure to be very clear about it about a year back

Beyond parody lmao

NewDark ,

https://lemmings.world/pictrs/image/0b8e1ac4-ebd5-4e88-829a-9f68c7b7a5b0.jpeg

NewDark ,

I really hope you’re just too stupid to realize this as genocide denial instead of malicious.

NewDark ,

It’s almost like the government calling them subhuman beasts isn’t concerned about genociding civilians over a land grab.

NewDark ,
  • Those numbers are what has been used by most countries before this genocide started, including Israel and the US (and still do)
  • Something like 40% of buildings have been destroyed in Gaza since last week (it’s certainly more now)
  • Hamas is the governing body, everything is technically under Hamas. That’s like me saying “I don’t trust the CDC or HHS because I don’t trust an imperialist terrorist United States”.
  • It’s not hard to find all kinds of footage of blown up children and buildings, use your fucking eyes if the other bits of logic are too difficult for you.
NewDark , (edited )

Ah, I figured it out.

Malicious, stupid, and zero empathy reserved exclusively for Israelis. Keep Yourself Safe.

NewDark ,

Bold of them given what’s been happening to any press living in Gaza

NewDark ,

This is not a religious conflict. It’s imperialist and settler colonial. This headass take needs to stop.

NewDark ,

They’re literally doing final solution shit in front of our eyes. Comparing them to the Nazis (a fascist ethnic supremecist nation on their genocide arc) absolutely stands.

NewDark ,

They aren’t doing roofknocking during this war, and that’s such a thin justification to obliterate peoples homes I’m shocked you’re repeating it.

Why are there pogroms and settlers being armed in the west bank? There is no Hamas there, it isn’t Gaza. What gives?

They literally blasted a whole ass refugee camp killing hundreds yesterday to kill one guy (aledgedly), and are fully blasting all civilian infrastructure. You’re either blind, misinformed, or a disingenuous hack.

NewDark ,

If I’m a Palestinian, and I am / convert to Judaism. Can I join Israel? (no)

Also, how many Israelis have a Jewish religion? (they are the minority, it’s mostly non believers)

How does this fit in it being religious instead of ethnic you think?

NewDark ,

They killed the people outside of their prison cell. The ones that have them locked in there under horrifying conditions. They targeted anyone on the outside.

NewDark ,

If you want the hostages, you negotiate, not bomb where the hostages are. You also don’t wait 2 days to secure the area while immediately hitting the “bomb gaza” button. The conflict makes so much more sense when you realize Israel cares more about killing and displacing Palestinians than saving their own people. (Hannibal doctrine)

If I’m in Israel’s shoes, I wouldn’t be demonizing and dehumanizing an entire people I’ve stolen land from.

Let’s say I magically became ruler on Oct 7th. There’s only two ways out of the conflict for good, full scale genocide and ethnic cleansing or reparations and a one state secular solution. Obviously I choose the latter.

NewDark ,

Great, then let’s give Palestinians an iron dome as well.

And while we’re at it, let’s return the land and homes that Palestinians have been terrorized out of, and prevent the horrific living conditions in their prison camp called Gaza. Maybe during the great march of return, a peaceful protest that was met in deaf ears and bullets. Eventually you have two options, die a silent suffering death or fight back.

Oct 7th is Israeli blowback

NewDark ,

Israel wants Hamas to exist, Netenyahu said it himself in a closed door meeting, and they fund Hamas through Qatar.

Why? Manufacture consent against the exact kind of barbaric enemy Israel propped up.

Human shields is the dumbest fucking talking point. Even if it were true, does that justify all the collateral damage to literal children? Half of Gaza is under 18.

Hamas won because, the United States forced an election the people said they werent ready for. Moderates split the vote, and a failed western backed coup solidified their power. That also happened 16 years ago, long before many of those Gazans were even alive let alone old enough to vote.

So riddle me this, would you be OK with Hamas having guided rockets to take out Israeli targets? If so, what’s the ratio of civilian to militant do you think is alright? Think hard before you make a double standard for yourself.

NewDark ,

Only one party has the power to make that a reality, and it isn’t the Palestinians.

NewDark ,

There’s no Hamas in the west bank. Why is Israel killing and driving them out? Performing pogroms and all that.

Also why should they be peaceful after the literal Nakba? Israel are the ones on stolen land dude.

NewDark ,

www.972mag.com/settler-attacks-west-bank-gaza-war…

They’re not carpet bombing them (wow so kind and restrained of them), but they are continuing to steal homes and land. This has been happening before Oct 7th too. This is what happens when you cooperate with Israel.

Yeah, but the “bear” in the situation is a nation state. It’s not an animal or a natural disaster. You’re blaming the victim here, you realize right?

NewDark ,

The 20% of Israel’s population who are Arab/Palestinians and are not belligerent seem to be faring better. Plenty of governments cooperate with Israel with very good results. So, what’s different about these?

Easy, the material conditions, here’s a short that highlights Gaza specifically, and not being under occupation. They have food, water, medical care, aren’t under a permit regime, and aren’t under threat of having their homes violently stolen.

Ultimately Palestine’s position has mostly to do with declaring war on Israel multiple times and losing, then remaining belligerent and engaging in guerilla attacks against them for the next half-century.

Are you talking about 1948, when the Nakba was happening and expelling people from their homeland? Or 1967 when Israel did a “pre-emptive” strike to start the six day war and get a land grab?

Man, why does this map keep shrinking? Must be a coincidence. Those darn Arabs did some violence and whoopsie we accidently took more land! Man that’s crazy it always seems to work out like that. www.palestineportal.org/…/maps-loss-of-land/

NewDark ,

To be fair, you don’t know they can’t defeat them. Vietnam won against the United States. This kind of fascist state can’t last by definition. I only hope it implodes sooner rather than later.

Glad you’ve been on the side of defending apartheid and genocide. Cool chat.

NewDark ,

Alright I was going to disengage but holy shit.

You’re going to go against Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, B’Tselem, Nelson fucking Mandela, among plenty of others, saying it’s an Apartheid? Come on, dude.

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