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Grogon , (edited )

I have two takes on this.

When I was an avid climber, the consensus was, “Those who free solo, die by free solo.” So I think this isn’t an unpopular opinion, given non-climbers got to think it’s stupid. I think it’s just we love to spectate on that risky adventure.

Personally I have never and won’t in the future ever climb free solo but I joined people do it and my heart was racing like crazy. Imagine wittnessing a death. In my personal opinion it’s stupid. People do it because they think it makes them special. Having some type of safety measures wouldn’t effect the sport.

Does he still do free solos? If yes, he has children and a wife. That is the point where I have no respect for him or any other person. If you only got yourself and no family - fine. Do whatever. But if you have a family and people down there that love you - why should you continue to do that? You don’t need to feel more alive. You already proved the world you can and it’s okay. Instead he still goes up there without safety eventhough safety measures exist - for a reason.

If someone can climb what this dude can climb I wouldn’t have less respect for what he achieved just because he has a rope attached to him. I personally couldn’t care less. He can climb with a rope and if he falls start again until he finishes the climb without a drop and call it a day. Maybe his family members could then go in a Sauna during his climb instead of living in anxiety during his climb.

But well, I understand it. You feel alive blablabla. It’s like playing hardcore in action role play games but well, those are just games and if you die fine start again. This brings me to my next critic: if you fall, someone is going to have to clean you up. Thats not fair. I’m glad no one I love solo free climbs or does any other extreme sport and if I knew someone who does it on a regular basis that I love I would try to love this person less so the loss in case an accident happens won’t hurt as much.

Anyways great climber. In my eyes it’s still pathetic because he doesn’t need to prove he can do those climbs without a rope…

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cyya23MPoAI

This video above is with Alex and Magnus and well what should I say… crazy.

Grogon ,

Well I have no idea about that, Im not from the US but assuming his family loves him I guess no money can make up for the loss of a loved one.

If they in any case Shouldnt love him for whatever reason and want his money he should be very careful about spoiling the routes he wants to climb lol. I watched medical detectives late night as a 10 year old I know what people especially family is capable of lol.

Grogon , (edited )

I wrote below that I am also critical.

Interviewer: Does having a family make it impossible to climb without fear entering your mind?

Alex: “Time will tell. It’s maybe possible, but it might be a challenge. I think it’s easier to free solo when you can tell yourself that your life doesn’t matter that much. You’re kind of like, “Well, I’m just doing my thing, and it’s my own choice.” And if you have any real acceptance that your life matters a lot to other people, then you are sort of like, “Well, you know, it’s sort of my responsibility to not squander that.”

On the other hand, with a lot of the hard free soloing, the whole point is to make it feel safe and relatively comfortable. To basically prepare enough that it doesn’t feel like you’re rolling the dice.

Actually, last fall I did a big soloing traverse in Red Rock, near my home in Las Vegas. It was a 32-hour soloing traverse by myself, climbing up over all the major peaks in Red Rock. I think to the average viewer, they’d be like, “Holy shit, he’s still soloing at a really high level.” But the reality is that, for me personally, that just doesn’t feel like extreme free soloing in the same way. It was kind of more akin to ultrarunning or like a giant endurance event or something. I was free soloing, but it’s a far cry from El Cap.”

**My thoughts:**While he is skilled he isn’t taking the natural environment in his equation. It might be a easypeasy climb like he mentions in the interview above. Sure, but the risk of Rockfall, high winds, adverse weather, unexpecited animals mid route, sudden noises etc. that scare you are still real. In Nevada where he climbs they have air force jets, if you get caught off guard during a climb things can get friggin’ dangerous.

Yeah I understand this doesn’t happen every day but once you have children I wouldn’t want to risk a single solo climb. It’s not required and he is climbing at a level he doesn’t have to prove anyone anything. He is rich and already extremely good. At this point it’s selfish and stupid. I don’t know normally I really don’t care but well I don’t think free soloing should be glorified and he is a person that younger people look up to. He is a person younger people SHOULDN’T look up to. Climbing without a rope shouldn’t look like they are better climbers than climbers with ropes. Especially because we have access to ropes, we have them for a reason.

Most climbs he solos are nothing and I’d say most of the climbs might go well but nature can screw him up. A fly lands on your nose and you get distracted - you die. Free solo equates with being totally alone on the rock, not being able to call anyone for help, and not being able to bail if things go wrong. You either go up, or you fall (and very probably, die). Another option might be climb back down, but… dunno why would you climb down if you already know the route and are confident?

That’s all it is. Nothing a man should risk once you have children.

Grogon ,

Yeah I also think there is a difference between “I am going to climb a huge rock without safety measurements eventhough they exist and cost only 50$” and “I am going to go on a one way trip to mars for science and humanity but use all safety equipment available on that trip”

Grogon OP ,

If you had the choice to be a billionaire if you go back a few million years in earths age but have to wait it out til you reach the age of humans. Would you do it and wait?

Practically you already waited all that time but you weren’t aware of it. Now imagine having to watch it.

Grogon ,

The chances are so low it’s just insane that it’s legal.

Imagine standing in front of 10 doors and opening 1 with a few million dollars. Heck, you’d be suprised that 1:10 is already hard. Now imagine 1:100 Now imagine 1:1000 Now imagine 1:10000

Now imagine the odds of lottery lol.

Good luck though. Someone is gonna win though so… might be you.

Grogon OP ,

In order to renounce my citizenship I have to file atleast 5 years to IRS lol. So even if I want to renounce my citizenship it’s currently not possible to do so because I haven’t filed in my life.

In order to “file” taxes I also require a social security number which I don’t have. I honestly don’t know where to find it lol.

Grogon OP ,

I pay taxes in Germany, I earn about 40.000 € a year. So I don’t know.

I tried the IRS homepage but my english isn’t good enough to file taxes. I don’t understand much.

I am 35 years old and the lady that gave me my american passport tried to explain to me that I don’t have to sign up for selective service anymore, I am too old lol. I didn’t understand much of what she explained but she said: “it’s fine don’t sign up for it it’s for young people” and sent me out of the embassy in munich.

Grogon OP ,

I pay taxes in Germany, I earn about 40.000 € a year. So I don’t know.

I tried the IRS homepage but my english isn’t good enough to file taxes. I don’t understand much.

I am 35 years old and the lady that gave me my american passport tried to explain to me that I don’t have to sign up for selective service anymore, I am too old lol. I didn’t understand much of what she explained but she said: “it’s fine don’t sign up for it it’s for young people” and sent me out of the embassy in munich.

I work since I am 17 years old in germany and got the information that I am american citizen when I was about 32 (first time in america) I tried to enter with my german passport. The people at the airport told me I am american and need a passport. I didn’t know until then.

Grogon OP ,

My english isn’t good enough for that. I need someone to help me translate it.

Grogon OP ,

I do taxes in germany and their is a tax partnership or something what I see. But I get about 700 € back a year too from germany.

Grogon ,

Imagine losing to someone even though you are rich.

If I had all that money I’d just have more than Jeff. Honestly this is a no brainer. I wouldnt want to be second richtet person. Either richest person or nothing at that point.

Id just give away all the money and retire. Better thsn only being second

Grogon ,

Frankly this is correct

Grogon ,

It’s interesting because people are people and it doesn’t matter where you are born.

If you look at it from a birds eye view you will see a younger, smart generation trying to fight it’s own governments.

It’s not USA vs China vs Russia vs Europe etc. it is the younger generation vs the old generation. Currently each generation is fighting it’s own government and slowly realising how poor they have done in the last decades.

Nobody wants war.

Grogon ,

Are you guys not happy for them?

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