Copying the linked thread here (cuz I stuffed it up):
So the basic story would be that mastodon’s dominance is pretty entrenched and the “migration” event is mostly “over” (whatever other “events” are on their way)
But I wonder about the details of the firefish moment
I think it revealed that there are/were plenty interested in novel & different platforms. We’re novelty seekers after all right. Generally, I’d wager any new platform needs some degree of novelty to “make it”.
Further, its collapse showed how hard creating a new platform is.
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Firefish did well at presenting itself as “professional”, capable and rich. But these were over-promises, and despite a number of people being involved or contributing, a good deal of user enthusiasm, the whole thing fell into a heap.
And that’s the bit that concerns me. How many people/teams are there both capable and willing to put up a good, successful and sustainable platform?
The #firefish lesson may be that the fediverse just hasn’t attracted a healthy building culture/personnel. 3/3
Does anyone have any ideas on how we can get in contact with Kainoa or someone, because I really want to move instances and keep all of my account stuff....
@RustyOperator I haven't been able to export my notes (posts) out of #firefish.social for over a month now, and all attempts to contact @kainoa and to report the issue on their GitLab have been ignored. I hope y'all migrating out of firefish.social or stop.voring.me are luckier than me and are able to backup and export your notes out.
@fediverse Let's face it. When talking about the Fediverse, it is very hard to sell interoperability between different types of instances as a major advantage.
Do not recommend one software and/or one instance.
Using your scenario, would you recommend photography instances based on #Mastodon knowing Mastodon only allows up to 4 “attached” images? Not only that, Mastodon will only display 4 images even if there are more than that?
Or, are you going to recommend #Pixelfed designed for images. Or, maybe #Firefish, #Friendica, #Hubzilla, #Streams, which all allow more than 4 images and will display all the images even if it exceeds their software's attach limit?
Quite frankly, in my opinion, with the image display alone, Mastodon is highly not recommended. So, the number of users and instances Mastodon have does not make it the best #Fediverse software, as you have mentioned earlier, “Mastodon is the level of UX other projects should aim to”. It's not.
The best approach is we understand what the user needs and suggest to them the appropriate software and instances that will suit their needs.
Let's forget about the Fediverse for a while.
We have to remember that not everyone is on Twitter or Facebook. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of individuals who only have an Instagram account. Why? They don't need Twitter and Facebook.
In Korea, for example, they have their own culture and platforms for communication Twitter/Facebook-like, so they don't need those. But many of them have Instagram accounts.
Now, let's go back to the Fediverse.
If those are the users we are reaching out to, then there should be no problem recommending Pixelfed. Because for these target market, their only concern and type of use is to share, well, photos or their latest digital artwork. They don't care about a Twitter/Facebook-like experience or use.
That brings us back to the features of #ActivityPub. It is an “added benefit”.
Users who want to follow this content creator can do so using their existing account.
Okay, you can't do this with #Lemmy, the last time I checked, however, you can do it with #Kbin. That's a Lemmy limitation, not the fediverse.
For the content creator who migrated to the fediverse, in particular, Pixelfed in our scenario, they have a greater reach because they're federated.
(Extra: You can actually turn Pixelfed into a regular Twitter-like software if you are using the web UI. Although, last time I heard it will be removed eventually.)
(Extra 2: BookWyrm also allows Twitter-like feeds and interaction, it's not restricted to just books.)
It seems like Mastodon is losing its mindshare to #Bluesky among many academics.
I can't help but think this has to do with the self-imposed limitations of Mastodon — lack of quotes, ordered timeline, etc. Makes it less interesting to use, for no real advantage.
Sad, because the underlying decentralization is much more robust.
@Blaze@caos The federation between Firefish and Lemmy is problematic. According to a #Firefish admin, this is because Firefish requires "Authorised Fetch", which #Lemmy has not implemented correctly. Here from Friendica it works fine.
The link is to a GitHub discussion, where gargron shuts down a discussion because he’s made a unilateral decision and then locks the thread to avoid debate....
#akoma and a plethiora more of them… you can have all the features here, which are you missing on mastodon… but people love to complain about missing features than trying another software… #mastodonisnotthefediverse
stop.voring.me (one of the largest Firefish/Calckey instances) has been down for a week and barely anyone is talking about it
Does anyone have any ideas on how we can get in contact with Kainoa or someone, because I really want to move instances and keep all of my account stuff....
Pixelfed is adding Groups, similar to communities, which will federate with Lemmy, Kbin, and Mastodon (lemmy.ca)
cross-posted from: lemmy.ca/post/3715524...
If you’ve heard that people have problems with the head of mastodon (gargron) this recent little incident might be an example. (github.com)
The link is to a GitHub discussion, where gargron shuts down a discussion because he’s made a unilateral decision and then locks the thread to avoid debate....